Disturbing Sign

Well folks..seems like the need for government grows stronger everyday. I see both sides. Some want seclusion and privacy of a quiet nice looking neighborhood..some want to own a club...and everyone wants the freedom to build what they want. IS IT TIME FOR ZONING? New Sims that come up..should they be zoned commercial or residential according to the area they are in? Yes people can build what they want..they are paying for their rights to do so on their own property..until or unless zoning is put in place..those that do not want to have clubs built next to their homes or what not..may want to consider buying the land around their property as to have enough acres for a club that someone builds or anything else they don't like to have enough distance from view out of their site. These are the only two solutions that I see. As far as the sign goes..that could be construed as slander.

<<Well folks..seems like the need for government grows stronger everyday.>>

LOL!

Free speach, deal with it.

Blake

Well folks..seems like the need for government grows stronger everyday.
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Well thank you Blake, I spat out my mouthful of coffee in the office when i read your post. You cannot be serious.

Latonia

For the first time Korg, I actually agree with you!

When I was new, I put up a 'Top Ten' list of ugly builds. I managed to really piss off a lot of people with it, and some of them were good builders but happened to leave things as default texture (not my preference, but hey) and I slammed them for it.

Now, I can see that critcizing a build really achieves nothing. Those that build 'ugly' structures have no incentive to do otherwise. This is the core fact that I needed to accept. I thought that initially people would have some personal level of 'pride' or whatever, and would put forth the proper effort to at least align things or something. After all, your builds reflect a part of you! (So I thought.)

This is not the case.

Not everyone cares. Once I accepted this, and stopped railing about build techniques, it doesn't affect me as much anymore.

Just my point of view.

Maxx,

This is easy for you to say; you rock at building and are hugely imaginative and creative. But not everyone is. Are you so sure it comes down to people having no pride in their work? I actually don't think so. You have people of all different skillsets, abilities and backgrounds here and what is one persons masterpiece could very well be another persons trashpile. I'm sure a lot of people who built the things you think suck are intensely proud of it as a measure of their ability.

I find it very hard to believe that people pay their hard earned cash then use it to throw up some piece of crap they hate and go 'meh. whatever!', knowing it's a piece of crap. They're doing what they can do to the best of their ability, I imagine.

haha! I'm glad you mentioned this Maxx because it was on my mind the moment I read the first post. Poor Maxx. That was like your intro to the forums too, and look how far you have come! hehe.. *HUGS*

As for the topic at hand, I actually see both sides. I have friends who feel that using neg ratings for this type of thing is perfectly acceptable. And I have friends who wouldn't dream of doing so. Me personally, I don't feel I can judge who has a "bad" build or a "good" build. If I see an exceptional build, I do like to share it with others and complement and/or pos rate the creator. But I wouldn't personally neg rate someone for a build (unless of course the build was somehow horrid in that it had racial remarks, open porn, err, any TOS violation I guess - I *might* neg them and abuse report them). But I have only ever given 3 negs (1 in each category) and that was to Darko when he was on his neg rate crusade. So I'm a bad one to judge when to give neg ratings or not.

I do however love the idea of having future sims that are zoned. Though I would rather see these continue to come from the community than for LL to step in and do it. Much like how Slate has handled their area, Luskwood, Taber, Neualtenburg, Little Venice, Indigo, Midnight City, etc and so on. I think that it is up to the community to come together and make smaller communities where they can work on their own requirements for zoning in an area, sim, or multiple sims if possible.

Adohan,

<<Free speach, deal with it. >>

I thought I had. Quite well.

Sorry for the completely offtopic here... when did Cris say this?! I wanna read it in context. Was he challenging me to a wrestling match? Cuz he knows full well I'd whup his ass good. The big wuss.

i agree! and giving them a hard time rather than constructive criticism will discourage them from improving. if you want to see better builds, help other players learn how to make them. i send new players to the library in noyo. it is numero uno!

Thanks Kris and Pen..

I should've specified that by 'pride' I don't mean that those who build as they wish don't have any. I realize that I have different ways of expressing myself in that area, and I shouldn't necessarily hold everyone to the same obsessive standard that I do for myself.

(If that makes sense, I hope so.)

I will guide people to Noyo if they ask, for sure. Lum did a great job with that.

Isn't it possible to see who actually created and owns the sign to determine who put it there?

I agree that some builds cause problems, and when a majority, or dominant, or more aggresive land owner in a sim objects to a build the one who created the "offending build" usually encounters a major problem. I have seen this so many times, and the "offending" build does not have to be aesthetically offensive. There have been disputes over spinning sign builds, churchs, and yes a lot of club disputes.

The solution is to wait it out (even the problem in Federal was eliminated over time,)...move....buy them out...or do what I did, buy my own sim so you can control what is there, and not try to control others because they have a right to build what they want, as do you. I learned the hard way arguing over builds is NOT the way to go!

BLINK!!!

Ok first off Ace's hun good job and Im proud of you.

Second off, Ulrika do you need some new golf shoes hun, I got some new ones with freshly ground pointed spikes for you to continue to step on your virtual wee wee with.

Third, I cant believe the rest of you that have openly argued with her and her inane banter. Shame on you for helping her further her cause.

Fourth, Cat Cotten and I have had our dissagreements in the past but this is a stance I think we are both in contention with that it was ludicris for Ulrika to even fathom saying what she did about a "Grass Roots" organization.

Sorry Ulrika your government or ANY player run Government isn't my Judge Jury or Prosecutioner and God have mercy on SL if that ever does happen.

Most people say when you equate something to a dead tryant then you have reduced your arguments to that of a child with no other answer than saying your a poo poo head.
Well with that commentary aside the more Ulrika spouts her Political and Govermental Bull shit the more and more I vehemently stand against goverment in SL.

Pendari, Hun I love ya but it hurts me to see you associated with an organization that would openly condem creativity such as Ulrika has done here.

For one to assume so arrogantly that anyone has the right to say what is beautiful is absurd. Thats like telling a man that likes thick shapely women that he has to wanna scrog the toothpick on TV or never get any.

In addition to all this does this mean I can arbitrarly go post signs of abhorent distaste for Nberg because of its govenmental affiliation? Kinda stupid if I did wouldnt you say so.

I'm gonna hush now because the madder I get the more unclear my written thoughts become and Id rather stay atop of my game to ensure that a Player Run Government with this kind of thinking NEVER NEVER Gets a foot hold in Second Life.

Sincerely, Shadow Weaver

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to my absolute horror, i occassionally run across one of my early trees in somebody's garden. i promptly supply them with several new ones and beg them to delete the fuzzy old outlined one. but sometimes they think it's pretty and leave it there anyway.

seriously though, after a year of lurking and arguing in the forums, coupled with inworld meetings and banterings and ratings wars, i've fallen on the side that people can do whatever they want to do with their own land. if i don't want to suffer club lag, ridicule from neighbors, for sale signs, ugly builds et cetera, my only recourse is to purchase an entire sim's worth of land and wall it around with tall trees. if i have a spare $1000, i can purchase a private sim and rule my land without ANY interferance.

i know it's hard. i know it's expensive. i can't afford it myself. i don't even officer a group that own's an entire sim. but that's the score. banter all you like. if the sign is on the offenders property, and the builder doesn't like it, they can scrap like children, ignore each other, or move. our indignation may help them decide; but it doesn't give them any more options.

Well, you can stop hurting because I am not "associated with an organization that would openly condem creativity". Ulrika has as much right to speak her mind on this issue as anyone. I don't agree with her, just as others in our "organization" would not either I am sure. I think once people get it through their minds that when we speak as individuals in the forums, it is not some "organization" speaking, things will be a lot nicer. I certainly hope that no one thinks that when I speak that I am speaking on behalf of others. I never do. And if I did, I would make it clear from the get go. I am personally starting to get a bit miffed at constantly being insulted by people thinking that I and others are just blindly following someone like sheep. All it says to me is these people have no clue whatsoever as to what our project is about.

I luv you too Shadow, but it hurts me that you refuse to even give me the benefit of the doubt.

hehe.. It wasn't on the boards, it was in a chat. And it wasn't in reference to you Kris. And Cris told me he would kill me if I put it in my sig, so of course I had to do it!

Argh.

When is it going to end?

We can't put any protest signs on our land now, to express a harmless opinion?

If that's the case, ya'll might as well vote me off the island right now, because I've put up innumerable signs that are "worse" than the current topic's "violation".

Chairman Mao says no! Welcome to Bobland! Chairman Mao says no to ugly clubs and bad spelling!

I look back and see the community more or less tolerating those things back in the day, even getting a mild modicum of support.

Now, suddenly, if it's a negative opinion expressed on your land, you can't say it?

There is such a thing as perceived free speech in SL, you know.

If I had put up a Chairman Mao sign up there instead, it wouldn't even get a negative backlash, because I have the inertia of being here for over a year and a half. But a newbie? Perish the thought. BURN HIM AT THE STAKE.

It's an opinion, expressed on his land, about his neighbor's building practices. As such, HE IS FULLY ENTITLED TO DO IT.

Is it in bad taste? Probably, but so is a Bondage club going up next door to someone's house. Should we be rallying against bondage clubs now? After all, they make my virgin eyes bleed.

Bah.

LF

Why am I not surprised?

- Ace

This was not expressed on his land!!! This sign was placed on the alledged "ugly" build. I really wish people would start actually reading what is actually said instead of what they want to see.

Number#1 this sign was placed on anothers property.. Plz go back to the first post and read again..

LOL you beat me.. we sure think alike lol

Your post is so much nicer than mine....LF please disregard my frustration and please go back and reread orginal post lol

So it's morning, and I'm rushing to work. So sue me.

If it's on this person's land, why not return it?

If the root prim is on the other person's land, then it's removable by a linden on a technical offense, not an "omg it's so offensive" sense. And that is usually just an abuse report or an IM to a Liason away.

Simple reasons... why does this need a 6 page thread?

LF