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pandastrong Fairplay
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09-17-2005 21:25
From: Roberta Dalek The only time I've ever heard of watermelon being racist was on these forums previously. The chicken reference I've no idea about at all. I haven't lived under a rock - just in the UK. My fear is that I will get done for something I don't understand. I used an image of a black person eating KFC as part of my disgusting build contest entry some time ago. Was that a racist image - well not according to me - what connotations does chicken have for you? Roberta, if you really care, do some research. I am sure these w-hats can send you some klan literature.
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Enabran Templar
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09-17-2005 21:26
From: Kujila Maltz That's not a point, it's a personal attack. Now, if you want to go ahead and make a point in a totally mature fashion, it would be most welcomed. Sorry, kiddo. You don't get to play Defend the Bigot and later take the moral or rhetorical high ground.
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Roberta Dalek
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09-17-2005 21:26
Oh this is the watermelon: "The watermelon slice is striking and unmistakable in appearance. Art related to the Mexican holiday Dia de los Muertos (Day of the Dead — 31 October– 2 November) commonly depicts watermelons being eaten by the dead or shown in close conjunction with the dead. This theme appears regularly on ceramics and in other art from the holiday. Watermelons are a frequent subject in Mexican still life art. The image of a watermelon slice being eaten and general references to watermelons sometimes historically have been used derogatorily. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, African Americans often were depicted in racist caricatures as being inordinately fond of watermelon. Southerners of any race frequently have been lampooned for the fruit's popularity in the South over the years; however, some of the folk humor about Southerners has been gentle self-parody, as seen in the annual watermelon seed-spitting contests at Southern festivals like Georgia's "Redneck Olympics." Additionally, the word "watermelon" has been used since the late 20th century as a term describing left-wing Green party members, referring to them as "green on the outside, red on the inside" (red being the color commonly associated with liberalism in Europe)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon When I find the obscure reference to chicken I will post it..
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Kujila Maltz
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09-17-2005 21:27
From: Enabran Templar Sorry, kiddo. You don't get to play Defend the Bigot and later take the moral or rhetorical high ground. Ah, but I do.
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pandastrong Fairplay
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09-17-2005 21:28
From: Kujila Maltz Wow, so you're upset about a picture you claim to be racist, but then you stereotype other races? Hello kettle.
Actually, I was stereotyping w-hats AS a certain race/class. Unless w-hats are a race, you have just lost top position for the Mrs. Reading Comprehension 2005 contest.
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Cory Edo
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09-17-2005 21:28
From: Kujila Maltz Yeah he was really funny and creative. Did you bother reading what he posted, or for that matter, what I quoted of him?
He sounded like an 12 year old with an injured pride who could not make any logical replies at all but make whimsical posts about how everyone is a "douchebag."
And you sounded like a 15 year old who is just smart enough to think that he's got some really advanced and innovative grasp on race relations in this country. And that, sir, is as good a definition of "douchbag" as any. Besides, creative and funny are in the mind of the beholder. And from what I've seen of you so far, panda has pretty firm lock on funny and creative in comparison. From: Kujila Maltz Those are not signs of someone who is "funny, creative, and defending his strong social convictions," they are signs of immaturity and someone who cannot debate his or her argument.
If you can't argue your point, call someone names... It might have been the "panties in a bunch" line that indicated to him the level of intellectual discourse you were ready to bring to the grown-ups table. And as far as strong social convictions, I think that stands, unless you'd like to take a crack at that as well.
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Musicteacher Rampal
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09-17-2005 21:30
From: Pendari Lorentz I'm sorry. But this is probably the worst thing I've read someone say in ages. What a horrible small world you must live in. Did your mom not breastfeed you as a baby?  There is no proof that not being breastfed is that detrimental to a person's development. Think of the women who had breast cancer, had to have their breast's removed, and then had children. They couldn't breastfeed...does that mean that their children are going to end up stupid?? That is a pretty horrible thing to imply. (sorry...kinda hit home as I am currently expecting) Not that I think the response that this was directed to was in anyway appropriate...anyone making that kind of statement better be able to back it up! 90% indeed.... 
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Katt Kongo
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09-17-2005 21:30
From: Ol Fitzcarraldo *edited* I am really offended. I wish the rating system were not going away. It would be worth it to neg you.
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Eboni Khan
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09-17-2005 21:30
From: Roberta Dalek Oh this is the watermelon: "The watermelon slice is striking and unmistakable in appearance. Art related to the Mexican holiday Dia de los Muertos (Day of the Dead — 31 October– 2 November) commonly depicts watermelons being eaten by the dead or shown in close conjunction with the dead. This theme appears regularly on ceramics and in other art from the holiday. Watermelons are a frequent subject in Mexican still life art. The image of a watermelon slice being eaten and general references to watermelons sometimes historically have been used derogatorily. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, African Americans often were depicted in racist caricatures as being inordinately fond of watermelon. Southerners of any race frequently have been lampooned for the fruit's popularity in the South over the years; however, some of the folk humor about Southerners has been gentle self-parody, as seen in the annual watermelon seed-spitting contests at Southern festivals like Georgia's "Redneck Olympics." Additionally, the word "watermelon" has been used since the late 20th century as a term describing left-wing Green party members, referring to them as "green on the outside, red on the inside" (red being the color commonly associated with liberalism in Europe)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon When I find the obscure reference to chicken I will post it.. It is not an obscure reference. Really anything from an Ameriacan hating European like yourself has to be taken with a serious grain of salt. My hatred for the stupidass Wikipedia grows daily.
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Enabran Templar
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09-17-2005 21:30
From: Cory Edo It might have been the "panties in a bunch" line that indicated to him the level of intellectual discourse you were ready to bring to the grown-ups table. Ah ha, excellent observation, Cory, I'd forgetten all about that. Yeah, very impressive when people start off with the childish then act like they're so troubled when they don't get scholarly debate in return.
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Roberta Dalek
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09-17-2005 21:31
From: pandastrong Fairplay Roberta, if you really care, do some research. I am sure these w-hats can send you some klan literature. I can only find a reference to chickens and orthodox Judaism, and Hinduism. Nothing with African Americans. Chickens are general cowardice here.
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Cory Edo
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09-17-2005 21:32
From: Enabran Templar In retrospect, this is actually a pretty funny thread:
A bigot is identified.
A habitual contrarian defends the bigot and his sense of humor
The bigot makes an impressively broad declaration about the criminality of a particular ethnicity.
The habitual contrarian is left in the unenviable position of having defended a blatantly bigoted person and resorts to demeaning others.
Gotta love stepping into a pile of horseshit, eh? You forgot the Off Topic Tangent Flamewar! From: musicteacher Rampal There is no proof that not being breastfed is that detrimental to a person's development. Think of the women who had breast cancer, had to have their breast's removed, and then had children. They couldn't breastfeed...does that mean that their children are going to end up stupid?? That is a pretty horrible thing to imply. (sorry...kinda hit home as I am currently expecting) Not that I think the response that this was directed to was in anyway appropriate...anyone making that kind of statement better be able to back it up! 90% indeed....
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Kujila Maltz
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09-17-2005 21:33
From: pandastrong Fairplay Actually, I was stereotyping w-hats AS a certain race/class. Unless w-hats are a race, The phrase "poor middle-to-upperclass white kids" seems rather race specific to me. From: someone you have just lost top position for the Mrs. Reading Comprehension 2005 contest. Another personal attack? Getting old, don't you think? =[ From: someone
And you sounded like a 15 year old who is just smart enough to think that he's got some really advanced and innovative grasp on race relations in this country. And that, sir, is as good a definition of "douchbag" as any. Besides, creative and funny are in the mind of the beholder. And from what I've seen of you so far, panda has pretty firm lock on funny and creative in comparison.
Ok, well you can think that, and I agree to disagree completely.... From: someone It might have been the "panties in a bunch" line that indicated to him the level of intellectual discourse you were ready to bring to the grown-ups table.
And as far as strong social convictions, I think that stands, unless you'd like to take a crack at that as well.
When I found out my "lolzor internet haxxorz" style wouldn't prevail, I had to put on my "LOL pretend scholar but aktually NAUT!" hat and post using that face instead.
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Roberta Dalek
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09-17-2005 21:34
From: Eboni Khan It is not an obscure reference. Really anything from an Ameriacan hating European like yourself has to be taken with a serious grain of salt. My hatred for the stupidass Wikipedia grows daily. My God - I'll just keep my head down and nod next time.
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Weedy Herbst
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09-17-2005 21:34
From: Roberta Dalek The only time I've ever heard of watermelon being racist was on these forums previously. The chicken reference I've no idea about at all. I haven't lived under a rock - just in the UK. My fear is that I will get done for something I don't understand. I used an image of a black person eating KFC as part of my disgusting build contest entry some time ago. Was that a racist image - well not according to me - what connotations does chicken have for you? Ever heard of a Limey? I'm sure you have. I case you have not, let me fill you in. Long ago sailors sucked on limes to prevent scurvy whist asea. Any Brit I know, finds it as a derogatory term. Its not just the lime or the watermelon nor the chicken for that matter. Put them together and the message is bigotry and intolerance. Nothing less.
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Kujila Maltz
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09-17-2005 21:37
In looking back, this thread delivers.
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-17-2005 21:38
From: musicteacher Rampal There is no proof that not being breastfed is that detrimental to a person's development. Think of the women who had breast cancer, had to have their breast's removed, and then had children. They couldn't breastfeed...does that mean that their children are going to end up stupid?? That is a pretty horrible thing to imply. (sorry...kinda hit home as I am currently expecting) Not that I think the response that this was directed to was in anyway appropriate...anyone making that kind of statement better be able to back it up! 90% indeed....  My statement was meant to jar one into thinking that perhaps this person was not loved as a child. Breastfeeding is a natural close thing that I think most mothers try to do (those who cannot for whatever reason are not to be blamed), but I think most would do so if able to. Therefore the statemen really goes back to perhaps this person had a really awful childhood and is making up for it by being hateful of others. The breastfeeding reference is more of a metaphor really than anything else. Side note: The issue of not breastfeeding a child having an impact on their development or health is an issue for off-topic that I will not go into here. The phrase I used here in this post again was just a metaphor that has been used by many others over the years.
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Cory Edo
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09-17-2005 21:38
From: Roberta Dalek My God - I'll just keep my head down and nod next time. Roberta, The whole chicken thing is part of the stereotypical Southern black American image, usually from the slavery to desegregation era. Ditto the watermelon. There are others but those two are the most widely known now. Its considered highly racist and is very rarely referenced anymore, even for extremely edgy comedy, because of its inherent idiocy. **Edit** Roberta, I've known others from England, mostly over here to study, and I know a lot of the American stereotypes just aren't in England. Think of calling a pakistani a "paki", which really wouldn't mean anything to anyone in the U.S.
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Enabran Templar
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09-17-2005 21:38
From: Eboni Khan It is not an obscure reference. Really anything from an Ameriacan hating European like yourself has to be taken with a serious grain of salt.
My hatred for the stupidass Wikipedia grows daily. It's pretty... ignorant to call the watermelon/black connection an obscure reference. I really can't explain Roberta's stunning display here with anything but ignorance -- but perhaps justifiable ignorance, as she is an ocean away. Still, there's something to be said about not talking about that which you know nothing. Seriously, Roberta: The UK has a 2% black population, as compared to 13% in the US -- with 35 million more blacks in the US than in the UK. The origin of the watermelon business is, as you so helpfully illustrated, heavily localized in the southern-US. I think you'd better cede this debate to people who actually see this stuff day after day. As for Wikipedia, Eboni, I happen to love it, and I encourage you to edit the watermelon entry to focus more suitably on the negative black stereotypes that include it.
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-17-2005 21:40
racism and politics aside --it's an incredibly poor bit of work.
The alpha textured drumsticks have that fuzzy white edge (very amateurish) The watermelon itself is similarly bad texture work.
The Avatar itself is I suppose adequate, but that's built in to the LL technology of the "appearance function.
Don't get me started on how poorly done the pick is. The KFC bucket is almost of acceptable level, but really it's just not hard to make a good KFC bucket.
Overall as craft I would give it a C minus. It fails completely as art, since the concept of "Black Comedy" doesn't communicate without the author's explanation --as much of the W-hat work fails for the same reason.
I liked it better when I thought it was Reddy Kilowatt eating Torley --Now THAT would be art.
One more thing. The author of the piece is most certainly a *edited* .
Just sayin'
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Kujila Maltz
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09-17-2005 21:40
Ahahaha this thread keeps splintering off into random sections... Breast-feeding, trolling, black people, white rich teenagers, watermelons, and Wikipedia. http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smart9bm.jpg
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Roberta Dalek
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09-17-2005 21:42
From: Cory Edo Roberta, The whole chicken thing is part of the stereotypical Southern black American image, usually from the slavery to desegregation era. Ditto the watermelon. There are others but those two are the most widely known now. Its considered highly racist and is very rarely referenced anymore, even for extremely edgy comedy, because of its inherent idiocy. Thank you for being patient with me. I should know better than to contribute to these threads - they just upset me anyway.
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pandastrong Fairplay
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09-17-2005 21:44
But it always comes back to the prodigal *edited* , doesn't it?
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Musicteacher Rampal
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09-17-2005 21:44
I took too long typing...someone else already stated it better than I...
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Ol Fitzcarraldo
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09-17-2005 21:47
This is so cool, 4 days playing and I'm a SL superstar
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