There Vs. Second Life

So don't world build. Plenty of people don't and still have loads of fun.



You keep saying this, and I don't know why. Building != Scripting. The two are completely seperate concepts. You can build to your hearts content and never touch a single line of scripting. We have a very nice, flexible, in-game modeling system that bears a strong resemblence to Truespace, one of the most user-friendly modeling programs for new users to pick up. Verses gMax, which is a stripped down version of 3DSMax, and complex and hard to learn.

Now, sure. If you want to make a vehicle, for example, scripting is involved. But guess what? You can get scripts for vehicles all over the place and just drop them in your vehicles. Presto. No work required.

Meanwhile, while you are essentialy limited to only whatever There gives you, just with different graphics, we have a fundamentaly unlimited toolset to make our vehicles from. Motorcycles. Snowmobiles. Space ships. Helicopters. Jets. WWII dogfighters that actually dogfight. Submarines. Hovercraft. Hot air balloons. UFOs. Blimps. Sports cars. Limos. Your precious hoverboards and buggies and hoverbikes. Speedboats. Yatchs. Sailboats. Innertubes. Snowboards. Skateboards. Rollerskates. Seaplanes. VTOL Jets. Vehicles pulled from anime, hit movies, or comics. Vehicles designed wholey from scratch for this world. Vehicles based on real world designs. You name it.



In other words, There doesn't even provide its users a way to do ANYTHING. You have to use third-party software to do it.




We have that too, that is, stuff that the lindens made. Lazer Tag. Jetball. A maze to wander through. Race tracks of several sizes and varieties. Prim Attack. The shooting range. The Wild West town. There used to be a whole amusement park, but it sorta vanished into the aether a while after beta...

And then people started to make their own stuff.

Now we have demolition derby, majhong, chess, othello, card games, Deus Vai (Appologies if I mis-spelled that), Time Plung, tetris, a variety of casino games, golf, bowling, darts, pool, baseball, basketball, hocky, bumpercars, amusement park rides, remote control vehicles to play with, skydiving, a ton of games that can't be easily explained here that our wild and crazy thinkers come up with, dogfighting, you name it. If we don't have it, we can make it.



We have that too. And we have user-made buildings too. And if neither the companies stuff or other users stuff is to your taste, you can, once again, make your own stuff.



No, what you find in SL are the people who aren't content to sit and look at what others have done. Have you ever looked at something in There and thought, "Thats nifty. But you know, it would really be neater if it were just... this way...". Well here you can. Or do something wholely new. Something wild. Something never seen before. Something earth-shattering, stunning, amazing.

And we have the socialites too. Aparently you've never never looked. We have clubs that have people in them 24/7. We have a metric ton of clubs. There are always people hanging out and chatting all over the bloody place. There are events going all the time. Parties. Contests. Games. Social get-togethers. Discussions. You name it. Plenty of people in SL never build anything... They are here for the social aspect.



Ask any of our couples in SL (That met here) what they think of that. Hell, ask some of the ones that are now *engaged to be married, in REAL LIFE, after having met on SL...*



We make what we want. You are complacently given sterile, soulless 'toys' by a corporation and told to find them fun. Functionaly, the limits to what we can make are nearly limitless. This is not true for you.



Is this the same There that basicly said "Screw you" to its user base a few months back when they sold out to the military?

Maybe when you can script... Ha ha. I'm sorry I compared a good game like Quake to "There". The closest game to "There" is that Barbie game from Matel.

And don't forget Kool,



Are you going to keep paying into this genius psycological plan or are you going to be an individual? Are you going to let someone treat you like an animal or going to join a community like SL?

Ok i am sorry but the fact is SL is dark dark colors and very very hard to move in it the avatars its like one leg goes this way and the other goes that way the world is based on real time streaming huh uh and the bases of the game was to copy off the sims and AW and There and in making this game they made the sims look fun and AW look fun ok SL is a cool game but the graphics and color and avatars is what i am mad about i cant enjoy it they have to use streaming thats not right and i know they sold the software to the army or was that the company that made the basics like tool bars and the browsers and that stuff There inc. but in the graphics the army was sold a emty shell

Quick question kool, how long did you play SL before forming an opinion? from the looks of your avie, not very long, i suspect you didnt play long enough to meet anyonem, or tried to meet anyone, because you were not "rated."

...Kool, this post burns my eyes. Your posts are repetitive, and you seem to just want some kind of kick from this. If you don't like SL.. Or you are "mad" at SL, then why are you here? *Ahem.* *Walks away.*

Well.. At least he's persistent.

"real life means nothin to us nothin our jobs out kids our wifes mean nothin to us when we are in There"



nice. wtg.

Ok, even though this is a WAY old subject, I just had to add my two cents here.
I have played both of these games and still actually have an open account with There.
The best explanation as to why I haven't logged into There in 4 months, or if I did, why it was only 10 minutes max? For the exact reason this post was started, the attitude of the players.
All else aside, I can go to any event in SL and SOMEONE will try their best to make me feel welcome. I attended many events in There over the 6 months I played and there were several times when the host wouldn't even show up. I join a game for the social environment, isn't that what these games are all about after all? Even without the voice chat, SL has a much better atmosphere.
As ridiculous as it is to even comment, I just have to. If you say that these games are your life and that you completely abandon your families for your virtual reality, then you're either a child or have no real family. That just doesn't make any sense, and quite frankly it made me mad when I read it. Grow up and go post your word vomit in There forums. And for goodness sakes, use some punctuation.

OK why i like There- The ground,space,3 moons,new islands,buggy racing,simple but not simple

READ EM AND READ EM OVER AND OVER TILL U GET IT!


Also a friend of mine tryed SL in the first place he said it was "distastful and a waste of time and money" But i gave it a try and guess what i went to a night club and asked how to dance and they said "use the damn dance machine" HUh Huuaa well i dont know what it is dumb ass lol since when did games become like this "dance machine" what is that who named it and what ever happend to EMOTEs like 'kiss or 'heyhey and 'curss simple nice easy to use emotes "linden Labs" dose not know what they are doing giving people the freedom they give u is so so so so funny and not right u people liter all over ur world u need ruins and lost citys from long ago

GAMES LIFE WHATEVER U CALL EM ARE MADE TO BE SIMPLE YET NOT SIMPLE.SL HAS GONE !!!!OVER THE DEEP END WITH "FREEDOM"!!!!



There is a game based on a story the maker made in college about 3 races on one planet and a war broke out and "There" is the ruins and artifacts left from that war I guess SLs sorty is it poped out of no place and life grew on it lol The races had been called Tikims, Tyrams, Monkays not monkys monkays




SL HAS NOTHING TO TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT IF ITS GOING TO BE A FIFE IT HAS TO OF HAD A BEGINING AND HISTORY STUFF THAT HAPPEND BEFORE "LINDENS" STARTED TO LIVE ON THAT PLANET DOH DOH

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You have got to be kidding ? LOL

You are right in that SL is not based on some fictional storyline. Here we individual residents get to tell our own stories and make up our own plotlines and mythologies if we like. And when we get bored with them, we can go create some new ones.
If your basic arguement is that SL has too much freedom, I'm afraid you will not get anyone here to support you. In fact, I'm having a hard time imagining a person anywhere who would demand less freedom.
Seriously now, what is the point of your posts?

Well, well, well. I find it funny that each game has forum threads about how wonderful/horrible the other game is.

I am an active (and somewhat well known) player in THERE and a recent SL junkie So here's my $.37 worth to add:

I love both games.

THERE -
I have dear friends in THERE, decent buggy rating stats, and I can build (sort of). I love my avie there because she's cute and responds with emotions that are very much like I am in RL. She has a good walk. The voice chat since the upgrade works reasonably well, too. Plus you get Try-its for almost anything you want to buy. Socially it is a wonderful game. And the hoverbikes and boards ROCK.

But lag kills me in THERE and its extremely expensive over the long haul if you are active in world. We are stuck with company provided emotes, too - and the best we can do for dancing is creating a macro to link them together. Anything you build must go through the company submissions with a sizable fee and even then it might get rejected. And our avies have very limited alteration abilities.

SL -
I have started to meet and make friends in SL. The dance scripts are great, the world exploration and quick TP with locator bars are great. The ability to build and create and have your piece in world instantly is so rewarding. The ability to create your avie to be literally whatever your imagination desires - please - who could want more? We can fly to get places. We can show "affection" to other avies.

But it is very hard to get Lindens unless you design items for sale or are in the *ahem* service industry. (At least thats the way it looks to me.) For the more prudish players SL has areas that will probably induce strokes. lol

AND SO...?

Comparing these two games is akin to comparing apples and oranges - they might both be fruit but they are worlds apart.

And for those of you who go to find out who I am by my profile - this is actually my second account since many of my THERE friends found out I was in SL and branded me a traitor. I have had to SNEAK back in here.

*sigh* OK DRAMA in both games sucks.

Somebody missed thier nappy-time today!

Kool, I've also tried There. It was neat and I did love the buggy's. What I didn't like was how everyone looks the same.. so Disneyfied.

Yes, your builds are all nice and tidy, but you can't just build whatever you want, can you?

Basically, I think There and SL can be (largely) summed up by this:

There - consumers
SL - creators

That's it, really. I don't hate There.. it has it's good points. For me, there's just not enough of those good points to leave my beloved SL.

Where would I buy my submarine? Where would I get to dance naked with my oh-so impressive dong attached to me? Where would I drive my Hummer? Where would I be able to create a new tshirt that I need for a party in 10 minutes? Where would I be able to hang out with the worlds largest bong and bong-head? Where would I be able to attend a wedding that needed special forces security?

Where? In SL, of course.

As Kex so aptly put it.......

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

Ok basicly u people are calling me a phycopath or in other words "troll" oh ya and tatana u are a fulish hateful crazy wack-OO from hell and back u are not welcome to There and i know people who can find things out so be carful i am a friend of some one thats works for There inc any one that thinks SL is fun or what ever the word "creative" means or i know what creative is and i am sometimes but u guys take it to the highest level and literly DESTROY a nice 3D world u use anti life and evil to concor land and sea ur a virus that wont die for get the treaty it is off nothin can save u from what we will do next u are evil and SL will go down in flames if we have to go in and knock ur houses and towers and flying avatars down we will get RID OF U PEOPLE "lindens" are a thret to man kind and the worlds of There TSO and AW we are not goin to take this shit There is better then SL one reason and one only WE DONT OVER DO IT subs in the ocean are crazy buggys are nice and holesome sky diving is crazy and nuts so hop on the wacko train cause u have a one way ticket ha ha rofl lol and what in the hell is a "dance machine" what happend to emotes

Kool, are you sure There isn't just using marketing to get you to like an inferior product? You said yourself they "don't over do it" but really, all that means is they have less stuff to play with. You sound brainwashed. You admit it's inferior, yet you keep saying it's more fun. That's so weird.

I have one word for you, Kool. A word that I'm sure EVERYONE reading this thread will appreciate... and that word is:

PUNCTUATION!

Live it, love it, learn it!!!

(and I'm sure a grammar check would be helpful sometime, too!)


OK besides that, There is a game. PERIOD. SL is a place where you can MAKE games, or ANYTHING else your little heart desires, or just do about 10,000 other things. Who really cares if monkey-gods created There? I'm quite sure that wasn't one of There's big selling points. In SL you can create your OWN Mythology ...or not. It's your choice and that's the true beauty of it.

From what i understand most people like to build most not all people the other people go and interact with a very badly build and handled world called "second life" in second life u can build play with items that have to reason to be built in the first place or u can do what i do and let second life load for 3 hours before u can go and walk or else my computer crashes but in There i can load in 6 seconds over 90 miles of lush colorful world loads in 6 seconds most islands are only 200-500 miles and as i go walking more and more and more loads so after 5 min of walking the whole island loads wow it takes about 12 mintues for a building in front of me to load 12 min wow the streaming is what makes it hard to use and hard to load thats why u need to stop changing the entier make up of the world every day cant u be satifed with over 2,302,102,000 miles of land and sea thats how big SL is or maybe biger There is like 10,000 miles of land and sea and our 2 moons are about 6,000 mile of land each so we have a lot of land that we like we dont change it every day a phycopath wants to change the world every day treat these games as if they are real life or the lose the meaning of the word game and life

Kool, I'd like to make an offer and then this will be the last time I'll post on this thread.
I'd like to offer to give you a tour of some of SL, let you have a chance to see how it can be and is fun, social, friendly, and also creative without requiring lots of scripting knowledge.
I see by your profile that you don't have any ratings on your acount yet. Most people can't even get past the first few steps in the welcome area without at least picking up a few ratings. It could just be that you haven't gotten out to see enough of our little world.
Anyway, this is a sincere offer, feel free to look for me using the "Find" button in world and I'd be happy to try to share what I like about SL with you.
Either you are just trying to start fights, or you have gotten a really bad impression of SL from seeing a few of the less interesting things.

Hmm. . . just as I was previewing my message to post it, I saw your complaint about the load times. Are you sure your internet connection and computer meet all of the minimum requirements for Second Life? If you are trying to access it with a dial up connection or an unsupported video card, you really haven't been to SL.

Seriously, Kool.. seek some professional help and if it takes you that long to load SL I would get my dang puter checked, SL loads fully for me in about 10 seconds....... now.... as far as evil and destroying in SL.... I happen to be building a 12000 meter nature walk in SL........ let's see you accomplish that in There

OMG too too too too much.

*falls on back and cant stop laughing*

*face turns blue and starts to die and cant breath*

*an angle brings me back to life after being dead for 9 seconds*

This is just tooo funny too too too funny. I dont understand what u miss when u people are in There plz plz tell me what i am not geting i dont get it. SL is for PHYCOPATHS that cant deal with real life. They want to change who they are and what the world is and what it looks like. Some people want to look like wolf monsters or rain birds with horns. Get glue and some colored paper and gliter and art supplys and u can look like a wolf monster or a bird . Now on to what u can do in second life that u cant do in There. You can shoot in second life also in There. You can build in second life just like u can in There. You can race in There also u can race in second life. You can fly on a hover pack in second life just like u can in There. What cant u do in There that u can do in second life. And some people ask if i talked to people in SL and yes i did thats about all i could do and plus i went on a water skie thing. So i gave SL a try and hated it some of it is cool but the streaming thing is my problem.

all kidding aside, Kool. I would also make the same offer as Tina did. Come see me anytime in SL. I will show you many things in SL that arent avalable in There.

I wont show you clubs and such because I dont go to them but, I will show you some fantastic builds and maybe take you for a ride in one of my many airplanes or perhaps in my Porsche, Viper or Lamborghini

I agree there are downsides in SL but if one is objective there's also downsides in There.

I simply found SL and am very happy, I have no want to go to There, I certainly would never go to a There forum and attack the game.

Ya ill come on some time and let u 2 take me on a tour. Id really like that but what i find is i miss the simple looking gree grass or the darkness of tyr in SL. And i have DSL so it should not take that long to download SL but it does sometimes so thats why i dont get on it much.