America=Bush=BoogeyMan

Some of you will probably not believe the figures... and I'm not going to claim they're any truer than others... but this is what BBC News has to say... (and yes the $350m from the US is just the govt donation, not the peoples)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4145259.stm

Germany Rocks!!!

I find it appropriate that the topic includes the term Boogeyman. Like the Boogeyman, the idea of some facist, ultra conservative Christian, neocon conspiracy in the Bush White House, is nothing more than myth.

-Kiamat Dusk
Victim of a Public School Education

PS: The Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the Democrats' chances of winning an election with Hillary Clinton in 2008 are ALL make believe as well.

I'm glad my ideals don't lean to the right... I don't think I have it in me to be extremely nasty to people all the time just because I disagree with them.

First off I believe that Bush is of little consequence. He is as much a rube in this ordeal as the rest of America. What I do find strange is that so many will support him although all evidence illustrates that he is a moron, that he is a member of the order, that he has either ignorantly or purposefully supported the erosion of individual rights in the US and that well again he is pretty much a moron. I say that he is insignificant due to the fact that all of these ideas and acts were ladies in waiting or should I say crimes of opportunity carried out by the true powers at work.




Funny the NLG would disagree with you....

http://www.nlg.org/resources/DissentBookWeb.pdf

Norquist is questioning the evergrowing power greed of the incumbants as well as those who may come after them...

"We are concerned not about Ashcroft, but about a possible subsequent attorney general, named by President Hillary Rodham Clinton, who might define as terrorists those of us who peacefully oppose government polices," Free Congress Foundation Chairman Paul Weyrich wrote last week after he and Lilienthal met with top officials of the Justice Department and Department of Homeland Security about the act.
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"I don't know whether Hatch is slower to see this than other Republicans, but the Butch Otter vote was a statement to the administration that Congress is not going to stand there like potted plants and accept everything they send over," Norquist said. "It's been two years since 9-11, and for the administration to still answer the public's questions about how these powers are being used with 'Just trust us' is insulting."

"There ought to be limits to freedom."

-- G.W. Bush

If you have yet to read this you should as it offers some insight into the lengths to which the government is willing to destroy your liberties in exchange for "safety"...
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

Though the constitution clearly states that there are limits to the power of the federal police force, the government does not believe that this document or the checks and balances imposed by it are of any consequence as is illustrated by the pat act.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. " Constitution of the People...

Federalizing laws: The federal government continues to expand it's powers in law enforcement by both the federalizing of crimes and the federalizing of local law enforcement officials.

Federalizing the local police force/sherrifs department of American states (this is not a solely republican agenda as Clinton started it all with his COPS initiative):

Thirty-five police officers and sheriff's deputies crowded into a federal courtroom Monday to be deputized as federal marshals in the war on terrorism.

In a two-minute ceremony, Gregory Forest, U.S. marshal for the western district of North Carolina, administered an oath to 26 Charlotte-Mecklenburg police officers and nine Mecklenburg County sheriff's deputies.

All are members of the county's Advanced Local Emergency Response Team (ALERT), which was initiated in 1997 and became operational in 2001, just as attacks at the World Trade Center and Pentagon highlighted the need for domestic preparedness.

Forest noted that Mecklenburg County borders South Carolina and that Charlotte has a pair of nuclear power plants in close proximity - the McGuire plant on Lake Norman, north of the city, and the Catawba facility on South Carolina's Lake Wylie.

"Should something happen, this would keep folks from having to stop at the state line," he said. "It leaves no boundaries."

"We don't get in the last-minute bind of saying, 'Something happened and, oh my God, who's got jurisdiction?'" Myrick said. "We can't be too lax in anything we do. We've got to be on guard." <snip>

If you take the time to read the patriot acts and victory acts you will realize that the federal government is encroaching ever more on states rights. This began with Ruby Ridge, Waco and Gonzalez and has now been made legal and irrefutable by the bills mentioned. If you are not afraid, if you refuse to question these measures then there is nothing to be done for you. If you take a moment to reflect on the state of affairs in this great nation then I feel that even if you choose to disagree at the very least I have forced you to take a hard look at your convictions, beliefs and bias as I continue to do to myself.

I got problems with Bush. I will not lie. I think he's a moron. The guy, a politcial leader can barely speak. I bet he types "u" on the internet.

Anyways, I will go on the record to say that Bush is not the anti christ. I also have feel better sucking him up this 4 years then the last, since this time he DID win the popular vote.

Either way I disagree with the War. I disagree with a lot of things. I disagree that the invasion of Iraq was relevant(It wasn't don't try and argue it. Weither or not it was a good idea I suppose is still up in the air).

Still, I don't think Bush is the devil. I don't think he's evil. I think he's a greedy bafoon -- but I also think he honestly means well. I just say this in response to all these people look at the left as if they all think Bush is the anti Christ. I just think he's dumb. I think he might cause some violent retribution to fall upon the US, but certainly not the world.

I yearn for Isolationism to come again.

nothing more dangerious than a well meaning bafoon :/

Well I can agree to that. But a lot of leftists make the concern come off differently. Like he's an ultra facist wanna be dictator who will genocide the world. Such as the "Take back our Media" Nazi/Bush video that was absolutely stupid.

I certainly can feel with you there - I'm very proud of my country - especially after seeing how generous the country as a whole was, considering their population.. A lot of people think that because we're the same size as the continental US that our population must be similar... I was under the opinion that we'd be able to raise a little bit to help - but 800 million I wasn't expecting..

That being said - I've hated Lil Johnny Howard since the mid eighties... He's a poor mans Paul Keating -- and saying that I think Paul Keating is a twat kinda puts that statement into perspective

Siggy.

You know. For someone you claim is "of little consequence", you have posted a huge number of ridiculous diatribes concerning him.. including the one quoted above.

You make empty analyses starting from value-laden, not factual, premises and thus invalidate your own arguments before they even get started. "A moron", eh? So you have proof that he measures that on any IQ test or is this another empty attack?

Disagreement with your value system does not make one a moron. Acting like you do, posting the drivel that you have, however, certainly provides evidence that you might qualify as such under any number of psychological/intelligence measures.

He has caused the erosion of rights int he US? Got proof? Many people argue the other side - that he has actually protected the rights of US citizens rather than eroded them. What is a right and what is a privilege are different things - that, apparently, is something you can't seem to grasp, or you simply choose to ignore.

Your repeated posts overflowing in ridiculousness merely reinforce the air of ignorance surrounding you - just as similar mists of deception, confusion and obfustication surround other true believers. I'd say it was sad that is so, but you far surpassed that metric over 200 posts ago.

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Funny, with all the fundamentalist zealotry expounded by the current leader of the used-to-be-free world I thought it was "Thank George W. Bush for God".

Not to get on a rant here, but did anyone else find it a wee bit ironic that in his inaugural address that Georgie was talking about bringing "freedom" to the rest of the world while systematically eroding it at home? If I was an Iraqi I'm not sure I'd want Bush's "freedom" either.

Don't bother trying to tell me I'm mistaken because I've adopted a faith-based, dogmatic initiative to believe that Bush is the singular worst President in American history and am unswerving in my resolve. Even if I am wrong, I will remain committed to this stance. It is hard work maintaining this belief, but it is the Right Thing to Do. Did I mention that I've been working hard? Oh, and all my dad's friends agree with me, so I know I'm right and don't switch horses in mid-tsunami.

Can you prove otherwise? He was a mediocre C student at Yale, he eeked through Harvard awarded only a basic MBA, all the Presidents other than George W. Bush had a least one book under their belt, and most had written several white papers during their education or early careers, his IQ is unknown but fuzzy logic puts it at about 115 if one were to use his SAT scores as a basis for extrapolating a score, his vocabulary is severely limited at about 6500 words, he acts in a reactionary and overly defensive manner which is the norm for folks of lesser intelligence and at the very least he has proven himself an unsavvy business man with more than 12 private bankruptsy under his belt. I do not believe that he is the boogeyman though I do believe that he is party to a much larger bipartisan attack on American Civil Liberties.

I am not trying to insinuate that his lineage was marred by lack of intelligence or business acumen as his grandfather Prescott was a genius on many levels. He was a rebel who believed in birthcontrol but was also part of an underground eugenist movement. His support of birthcontrol had little to do with population control and much to do with controlled breeding. During the times of the great American he was an elite academically, in business and among the socialites of the WallStreet Maphia, Jupiter Island and Desert Island. He was most well known for his connections with Thysenn and other German companies affiliated with the Nazi regime prior to Pearle Harbor. The Bush family is far from the home grown Texans that many would like to portray them as.

I find it sad that you would feel the need to denounce one persons beliefs in some effort to overshadow the far reaching effect that the Patriot Act and all bills passed in relation to it will have on the American society. I am unimpressed with your lack of knowledge in regards to the forward momentum of the federalizing of crimes and the police force in the US. I am sorry if you believe that my desire for a small and heavily scrutinized Federal government somehow makes me an idiot whereas your 1000 posts of the finest in strawman style argumentation rife with vitriol and bereft of fact somehow allows you a feeling of superior intellect over the masses. You are likely laughing right now and that is fine by me. I can only hope that all that I foresee will never come to pass, but it will not be due to the likes of you defending without thought every manipulative and subversive move made by the federal government.

I will say again that my belief that GW is of little consequence lies in the fact that many of these concepts such as federalizing of crimes, federalizing state police forces, patriot act bills and the encroachment on personal freedoms have been in the works for a long time. It was convenient that 9/11 occured giving the government a window of opportunity necessary to garner support for these changes. As we fight for freedom in lands abroad, we should be expanding or at least maintaining our freedoms at home not allowing them to errode for some false sence of security made necessary by manufacturing the aura of fear of an elusive and intangible evil. Vive la Oceania, right?

You are the one making the charge.. ergo, you must prove YOUR point.. not me disprove it.

The garbage you posted after the above was pointless distraction not on point at all. I am not surprised you would try to distract and distort as you did... you've done it time and time again before.

Try hard to stay on point and back up whatever point you think you are making with facts... not innuendo and not twisted interpretation of things --- such as implying that because someone was a C student he is not very intelligent. All you have accomplished so far is illustrate your own bias yet again, something quite far from proving W is a moron as you claim.

Added: You err factually when you state that all other Presidents had at least one book under their belts.... and trying to extrapolate IQ from standardized test scores? Now I know you are reaching, as does anyone with any experience with such things.

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BINGO!!!

Give that man a cigar!

Ummm... excuse me... but you must not read many posts here... rofl... please attempt to read a few of these threads before making a redicuolously inaccurate post like this.

I was thinking the exact thing… LOL

I read the last four of yours, and they all validated my assertion.

We can all see that you are an eletist now Isis… ty for revealing yourself.

For anyone who missed her “fuzzy logic”, you are a “moron” if you are not an “A” student and “only” have a friggin “basic MBA” from Harvard. Yeah… we have all heard how Harvard is a cakewalk… God forbid he had attended school at the University of Texas, Fla State, Georgia, UCLA, or one of the other “pedestrian” schools.

You KNOW if ISIS is blasting Bush for a “C” average from Harvard, probably the most well respected school in the United States, she thinks all of us who have degrees from these other schools must be beyond stupid.

“Only a basic MBA from Harvard”!!!!!!!!!!! Doesn’t sound too bad to me and certainly does NOT qualify someone to be called a “moron”.

Oh, and in case you didn't catch it... you gotta be in the book club to not be a "moron" too!


I know I am even if you aren’t Korg… hahaha


Woooooooo… the boogie-man is coming… the boogie-man is coming!!!


*yawns*

So glad you trivialize 911 as “convenient”… very revealing Isis.

Uh huh.. the words of someone whom I know all should emulate in terms of logic.

The above argument has to be the single most asinine statement that anyone has ever posted in these forums.

Is that REALLY the best you can do Lianne? lol

LOL... you beat me to it Korg... so true!

Korg nobody asked you for your opinion of my opinion. In fact last time I checked most folks only ask you to shut up. So try it and stop posting this bs everyone else is an idiot except for me though I have nothing to offer other than calling you all idiots holier than though bullshit...give it to someone who cares.

The last six of yours. Excuse me.