Wipe All Rates to 0 ?
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Alby Yellowknife
Sic Semper Tyrannis
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01-11-2005 18:53
From: Merwan Marker The more i think about this and talk with others, the more i like this idea! Assume LL does implement all that they have said in the last 24 hours - including $25 per rate. Then if we're all wiped to 0 then we all start over. There has been so much discussion about how meaningless the rating systems is, that short of re-designing it, I'm liking the Wipe All Rates to 0 (WAR0) idea.  Wipe everybody's Rate to Zero, except for mine. I'm too special to be zero'd out with the rest of the common AV's. lol
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Zuzi Martinez
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01-11-2005 18:56
sure wipe 'em. they're pretty meaningless now anyway.
i kinda suspect the price increase to $25 per rating is just a first step to getting rid of ratings further down the line. as far as stipends go yeah $50 a week isn't much but (say it all together now) "prices will adjust to the market". if people have less......things cost less. otherwise no one buys your overpriced junk.
then again maybe we ought to realize we're all basically on welfare. free money's nice but hey......free money. SL's fun even if you're broke and it's not hard to make money if you really really gotta buy something.
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Tito Gomez
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01-11-2005 18:56
Wipe 'em clean.
Folks that have the mega ratings have already milked them for what it is worth.
So, why not?
- T -
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Siggy Romulus
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01-11-2005 19:18
I posted a similar thread last night - I'm on the pro wipe side of the fence myself.
Change the system that much - it only seems fair.
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Dragon Stryker
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01-11-2005 19:33
From: Luminia Olsen nice way to lose members there..... I can see it now... New member starting a basic account: "Hi, how do I get more L$?" Current member: "You have to sell stuff, get a 'job', or upgrade to a premium account and pay a monthly fee (or quarterly or yearly or whatever)." New member: "I don't know how to make anything, and I don't have enough money to upload much. And get a job?? I work in RL, I don't wanna work here TOO! And geez, a monthly fee? No thanks. Bye." lol
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Lance LeFay
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01-11-2005 19:35
From: Dragon Stryker I can see it now...
New member starting a basic account: "Hi, how do I get more L$?" Current member: "You have to sell stuff, get a 'job', or upgrade to a premium account and pay a monthly fee (or quarterly or yearly or whatever)." New member: "I don't know how to make anything, and I don't have enough money to upload much. And get a job?? I work in RL, I don't wanna work here TOO! And geez, a monthly fee? No thanks. Bye."
lol OR: "Wow, SL is great! Look at all the creative power I have!".
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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01-11-2005 20:23
Either: (a) Wipe them all to zero and refund everyone L$1 for everyone rate they have GIVEN... OR: (b) Divide everyone's values by 25, and round up or down to make them equal to the new rates... and pick 1 person out of every 25 who rated ya to not be able to rate you again in each category. Heck, just scrap the whole thing!  -Flip
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Anjelle Lumiere
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01-11-2005 21:11
How about we throw the 25L out the window and keep it at 1L? No? LOL Ok.... throw the current rate charge out all together and give us an allotment of RateBucks... LOL That way we are limited to how many rates we can make.. so they will be meaningful when we do make them... and we aren't being forced to use all of our stipend up to do it. 
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blaze Spinnaker
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01-11-2005 22:09
Yes, wipe them. It only makes sense given the increase in rating cost.
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Malana Spencer
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01-11-2005 22:11
From: Merwan Marker The more i think about this and talk with others, the more i like this idea! Assume LL does implement all that they have said in the last 24 hours - including $25 per rate. Then if we're all wiped to 0 then we all start over. There has been so much discussion about how meaningless the rating systems is, that short of re-designing it, I'm liking the Wipe All Rates to 0 (WAR0) idea.  Ratings be gone!
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Travis Lambert
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My thoughts on the matter...
01-11-2005 22:11
The biggest reason I've felt for a long time that the current ratings system is flawed is because rating seems to carry a different meaning to different people - often sparking hard feelings, or misunderstandings. The "universal meaning" that was (i think) intended to evolve naturally, instead morphed into seperate factions and camps.
For example, some see pos/neg ratings as highly meaningful, and a method of expression. Others see pos/neg ratings as a means to a financial end. Still others find ratings utterly meaningless, and give little thought into a rate if given at all.
Looking through the forums, I see countless flames and disagrements that seem to be sparked by two opposite viewpoints on the core meaning of a rate - which isn't universally defined in the first place.
For this reason, I support raising the rating fee to $25 - in the hopes that a rating given will carry a more common meaning to most people.
I also believe that cutting the link between stipends and ratings will further clarify the meaning of ratings.
However... if we are to give the "new ratings" meaning, the old ratings need to be wiped, or otherwise seperated IMHO. Once you create a clear, (and possibly new) meaning to this new rating system, mixing the old with the new will be like comparing apples to oranges.
Travis
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Magnum Serpentine
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01-11-2005 22:13
From: Merwan Marker The more i think about this and talk with others, the more i like this idea! Assume LL does implement all that they have said in the last 24 hours - including $25 per rate. Then if we're all wiped to 0 then we all start over. There has been so much discussion about how meaningless the rating systems is, that short of re-designing it, I'm liking the Wipe All Rates to 0 (WAR0) idea.  And then those who can afford to rate will pay people to rate them back meaning the Rich will get ratings and the poor will get NOTHING. This whole day has been bad.
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Queenie Extraordinaire
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01-11-2005 22:22
From: Anjelle Lumiere How about we throw the 25L out the window and keep it at 1L? No? LOL Ok.... throw the current rate charge out all together and give us an allotment of RateBucks... LOL That way we are limited to how many rates we can make.. so they will be meaningful when we do make them... and we aren't being forced to use all of our stipend up to do it.  Oooohhhh! Now there is a thought to consider!!! I like!
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Siggy Romulus
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01-11-2005 22:56
From: Magnum Serpentine And then those who can afford to rate will pay people to rate them back meaning the Rich will get ratings and the poor will get NOTHING.
This whole day has been bad. And so instead we simply take away any chance whatsoever of any new player EVER being on the top 10 no matter how talented they may be? Why don't we just change the leaderboards to static text then and just give the current top folks a permanent extra income... because that's the flipside Mags. Your argument says 'the poor will get nothing anyway - so lets just set that in stone'. Even the 'Rich' who want ratings that way (even though it is against the rules - and they could potentially get their shit spanked for it) would have to HIRE someone to rate them  So even with your example the 'poor' will get paid! Siggy.
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Isis Becquerel
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01-11-2005 23:18
I agree...why not they don't mean anything anyhow...right?
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Bob Bauhaus
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01-11-2005 23:47
Hunh. Random thought. Now that the ratings cost L$25, and the rating bonus is in half, what does that work out to? I doubt that the new bonus will pay L$25 a rating.
From now on, I won't rate. I'll just pay people for looking/acting cool. It's what's done with tip jars anyways. Hopefully, a feature to add, but it's so low a priority as to not put on the boards, is to give a text field in the pay interface to give a message when paying, one that can stay in the balance books. In the mean time, an IM will do.
Not that anyone gives comments when they rate. (Am I the only one that actually uses that text message to say something silly/insightful/WHY the positive rating?)
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Merwan Marker
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01-12-2005 07:53
From: Bob Bauhaus Not that anyone gives comments when they rate. (Am I the only one that actually uses that text message to say something silly/insightful/WHY the positive rating?) I've often given comments when I rate people - especially newbies. 
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Psyra Extraordinaire
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01-12-2005 07:56
Zero 'em.
Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew...
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Usagi Musashi
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01-12-2005 08:06
From: Psyra Extraordinaire Zero 'em.
Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew... Make rabbit stew! LOL YIPES WHAT AM I SAYING! LOL
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-12-2005 08:07
Make sure C.Cotton's is the 1st to go.
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Schwanson Schlegel
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01-12-2005 08:13
The current ratings have to be wiped or divided by 25 to be fair. ***hugs all of his precious ratings goodbye***
Why don't we all just wear tip jars on our heads?
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Usagi Musashi
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01-12-2005 08:15
From: Schwanson Schlegel
Why don't we all just wear tip jars on our heads?
I like this idea! LOL!
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Rose Karuna
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01-12-2005 08:23
From: Bob Bauhaus Hunh. Random thought. Now that the ratings cost L$25, and the rating bonus is in half, what does that work out to? I doubt that the new bonus will pay L$25 a rating.
From now on, I won't rate. I'll just pay people for looking/acting cool. It's what's done with tip jars anyways. Hopefully, a feature to add, but it's so low a priority as to not put on the boards, is to give a text field in the pay interface to give a message when paying, one that can stay in the balance books. In the mean time, an IM will do.
Not that anyone gives comments when they rate. (Am I the only one that actually uses that text message to say something silly/insightful/WHY the positive rating?) Actually this is a pretty good idea. When I see a cool build or appearence or if someone does something really nice for me I'll just pay them the 25L with an IM explaining why. Newbies would greatly benefit from this as well. Why not give the person deserving the award an award?
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Jasmine Divine
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01-12-2005 08:28
Hi guys
I just wanna add in my lil bit as i am not at all happy with the rating charge. Rating is a great way to make new friends, most of the new friends I have in SL are because I rated with a funny message which led to a laugh and a chat. I don't really mind about loosing the number of ratings I have given or recieved. But to charge $25 to make a friend is just silly. Its a good way of introducing yourself to someone so why not just charge $1 for rating someone and not give anything back.
I don't mind if my ratings were zero'd or even wiped out completely and done away with but the charge is very silly. Just having this method of introduction works for me. This really needs to be re-thought ALL reasons for rating someone should be considered, not just used as an excuse to reduce the amount of money inworld.
Hugsss all
Jas x
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Palomma Casanova
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01-12-2005 09:02
Wipe out!! Get rid of ratings.... I still don't get it in almost 9 months that I have been playing. I mean... what do they mean? that you dance good?, you are cute?, I like your outfit?... 35% of the ratings we get are real meaning... the rest 65% is because we want to get a better bonus, more money...
I like REAL meanings.... wipe out!!... get a better system that than, get some better ideas. Half of the times I can't find who rated me, and I am always hesitating that some dumba** doesn't rate me negative by mistake or just because of his/her evil sarcasm, sending friends to do that without even knowing the person..
There are better things to do...
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