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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
Join date: 1 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,941
03-10-2005 11:38
SL is a bloated, fetid corpse and we are merely the maggots that feed from it's decaying flesh.

Eww...kinda grossed myself out on that one.

SL is fun if you want it to be, and not fun if you don't want it to be. You don't HAVE to do anything in-world and you can do just about anything you choose to.
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Ferran Brodsky
Better living through rum
Join date: 3 Feb 2004
Posts: 821
03-10-2005 11:45
Has anyone else noticed the decrease in griefer activities since the change??

Maybe hard case is right, perhaps the griefers have left SL....

The police blotter is quite slow these days, and that's really nice.
Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
03-10-2005 11:47
***Pours a cold 40 onto SL's grave***
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
03-10-2005 11:52
From: David Valentino
SL is a bloated, fetid corpse and we are merely the maggots that feed from it's decaying flesh.

Eww...kinda grossed myself out on that one.


That was like....goth netnex. *swoon*
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gene Poole
"Foolish humans!"
Join date: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 324
03-10-2005 12:31
From: Iron Perth
Hi folks,

Just wanted to let you know that the Iron Perth group will happily sponsor your event in the same manner that LL did. We only ask in return that you simply and briefly make your event attendees aware of our products and services.

Please IM Iron Perth for more information.
Maybe I'm just jaded by RL, but this offer sounds super-shady... :D
Myra Loveless
The Wandering Glitch
Join date: 3 Oct 2004
Posts: 89
03-10-2005 17:33
From: Madame Maracas


Er...last visit to GOM (last night, actually) I saw a million up there. As I have all week long. And on many occasions. How often have you been to GOM? It's pretty dynamic, which can make it fun, another "game" worth playing or at least paying attention to, certainly. ;)

Here's my two bits.

The original post, while rather blustery, is an opinion, an observation. My suggestion (as others have) is to get out of the sandbox for a little bit and look around a little darlin', there's an awful lot going on in world.



WOAH... First of all... Don't take that tone of voice with me! I just went to GOM and did the math and yes there's a million up there, but a few weeks prior, there was only a total of about 100k... it fluctuates from day to day.

I'm not saying that the economic changes weren't painful for everyone, I'm saying there were NECESSARY. I'll present an exacting description of WHY they're necessary after I finish cleaning myself off from your taking one little sentence and turning it into a two page long insult towards me, someone you don't even know. Which mind you is an act of ignorance.

Second, I don't go to the damned sandbox, I have enough land to build what I want to build without having to worry about a laggy sandbox, "little darlin". You sure do know how to make and keep friends don't you?

I HAVE checked the news. And I'm fully aware of how Tringo was licensed to the former CEO of REAL Media. Infact that's rather old news as far as I'm concerned. If it weren't for the fact that big news doesn't happen much on SL, it wouldn't even be worthy of first page anymore.

If you saw the stuff I make in SL, (and i'd be happy to show you) you'd stop insulting me as if i were an incompetant child right here and right now. I do not deserve to be treated like a toddler by you! When I post my rebuttals, I do my best to remain resepctful to all involved (unlike SOME people).

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Now, for another perspective.

Lets look at this with a bit of elementary physics.

There is one little aspect that makes Linden Dollars not quite a real world economy... You cannot take your Linden Dollars out of SL. You can cash out, but the linden dollars stay IN the system. In the SL system, there are sinks and sources for cash.

Any time you have a self-contained environment in which you both source and sink energy, you have to ask the question. Is it endothermic or exothermic?

If it's endothermic, the energy comes from within the system. Exothermic means it comes from without the system. Can you introduce linden dollars into the system through money? You can buy lindens from GOM, but GOM doesn't create the lindens, they just transfer pre-existing lindens to you. The money comes from Linden Labs within the game and you cannot pull extra linden dollars out of them. Therefore, SL is Endothermic.

Now that we know it's endothermic, we get a little perspective on our little economy:
  1. If the linden dollars are introduced into the system faster than they are sinked, then the amount of money in the system builds up.
    1. Everybody has a lot of money and for that reason, prices in SL steadily increase.
    2. The worth of the Linden Dollar steadily drops on places like GOM and IGE.

  2. If the linden dollars are sinked into the system faster than they are introduced, the amount of money in the system declines
    1. Everybody has very little money, prices steadily drop for stuff in SL.
    2. The worth of the Linden Dollar steadily raises on places like GOM and IGE.



An endothermic system is a very delicate balance and must be maintained. The economy can crash in two directions due to LL's negligence, depending on which extreme it goes to:
  1. If the economy crashes from too much money in the system.
    1. The Linden Dollar becomes absolutely worthless and we have a scene not much unlike Russia in the post-communist fall. Don't be late for bread-line.

  2. If the economy crashes from too little money in the system.
    1. The Linden Dollar becomes worth too much for anybody to be able to afford even a single linden. We have a scene similar to the Great Depression of the early 20th Century in the United States. L$1 is enough to buy a whole lot of land, but noone can afford even that many lindens on GOM. The stipend bonus would theoretically help keep this scenario in check but you'd never be able to cash out because it's worth WAY too much, noone's going to pay thousands of US dollars for just a few lindens.



So you see: The economy in SL must be kept in check. I'm not saying the economic changes weren't painful. They were VERY painful. But at the point in time they were enacted, they were necessary to prevent an impending Soviet-Union type of economic collapse.

Eventually the current economy will start leaning towards the Great Depression type of economic collapse at which point they'll invert the policy to try to maintain a mean average.
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Bodhi Kojima
one of the proud 48%
Join date: 10 Feb 2004
Posts: 75
03-11-2005 14:58
From: Aimee Weber
I bet if Magnum Serpentine where here he would say:

Nah. I think he would say; "Its over" and "You need to move" and "I am now calling a Linden to have you banned" and my all time favorite, "Lindens, please remove this thread"
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Bodhi Kojima
one of the proud 48%
Join date: 10 Feb 2004
Posts: 75
03-11-2005 15:04
From: Prokofy Neva

Your experience is legitimate, because whatever all these feted oldbie poseurs are saying about sandboxes and Our Friend Mr. Return and all that other tripe, YOUR sky *is* falling.
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Dear Prokofy, my experience which is equally legitimate is that you owe me several tens of thousands of lindens. Due to your own philosophy, you really DO. Would you like installment payments set up or just a lump sum for you?

Yes, ridiculous, but hey, they are your rules.

I rarely have fetes anymore as a midbie. Can i be felted instead?
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Lucah Solvang
50% Human/50% Jackass
Join date: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 66
03-11-2005 15:06
From: Hard Case
Seocnd Life is dying. All the people that said that the economic "changes" where a good thing for Second Life were desparately wrong. The people that where suporting the community have left. All that is left know are the people that are hoping that Linden Labs will return to way it was or last a scaled version of it. With out the social players SL is nothing. I am a builder. I used to love to build things for people and to teach people how to build things. I taught new players for free in the sand box, while I was looking for customers to build things for. I like being sought after for my abilities. Now that all the social players have moved on there is no-one left to build for. The sandboxes are empty. None of the new players can earn linden to pay for the things that people create. That's what was so great about SL. I could spend acouple hours building something, and then someone walking by might think it's cool and ask me to build something for them or offer to by what i built. Those days are gone. Thanks to people caring soo much about how strong the linden is to the dollar, they forgot to think of what will happen when there are no more people wanting Linden. The MAJORITY of people that would by Linden from places like GOM and IGE were the social players, that used SL as a glorified chat room. They didn't come here to learn how to script pr build, they came here to have fun and be with there friends. SL is where they felt like they had a social life. Ugly people could win beauty contests, people that can't walk can DANCE ALL NIGHT LONG. People that dream of flying CAN. SL is a wonderful place, but if things continue the way the they are the only people that will be left are the ones that are the Lindens, because everyone else will get tired of being broke with no fun places to go to, and no fun people to talk to. Please SAVE SECOND LIFE.


Hejustkepttalkinginoneincrediblyunbrokenparagraphmovingfromtopictotopicsothatnoonehadthechancetointerrupthimitwasreallyquitehypnotic
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Cherry Took
Mud Wrestling Champeeeen
Join date: 7 Jan 2005
Posts: 160
Abt Iron Perth
03-19-2005 18:29
From: gene Poole
Maybe I'm just jaded by RL, but this offer sounds super-shady... :D


My understanding is that they are a Lindens seller (undisclosed as of yet which one). Our spa tried to actually take them up on this, but so far, we have gotten (in answer to our 4 IMs) one general, vague response. We agreed to their terms, and asked what content of theirs we could put into our next two weeks of events, operating on good faith that we would advertise for them and be paid after the event.

So far, nothing concrete has come of this, which is too bad.
Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
03-19-2005 18:35
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Simon Oz
Perpetual Noob
Join date: 26 Dec 2004
Posts: 61
03-19-2005 18:41
Would anyone care to join my SL doomsday death cult? We can predict the end of SL as we know it with every minor change.

We missed the whole Welcome Area thing, but if we hurry we can get in just in time for the public release of 1.6!

I'll bring the Kool Aid.
Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
03-19-2005 18:50
From: Simon Oz
Would anyone care to join my SL doomsday death cult? We can predict the end of SL as we know it with every minor change.

We missed the whole Welcome Area thing, but if we hurry we can get in just in time for the public release of 1.6!

I'll bring the Kool Aid.

Only if we can call you Reverend.

Btw, does this mean we get to travel to Central America?
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Baba Yamamoto
baba@slinked.net
Join date: 26 May 2003
Posts: 1,024
03-19-2005 23:30
SL dies a little bit every time a newbie logs in ;0
Magnum Serpentine
Registered User
Join date: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,811
03-19-2005 23:45
From: Aimee Weber
I bet if Magnum Serpentine where here he would say:


This is a personal attack and has been recorded as such.

I thought you were my friend.
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Jeffrey Gomez
Cubed™
Join date: 11 Jun 2004
Posts: 3,522
03-20-2005 00:22
Someone call animal control. This thread needs to be put down. :rolleyes:
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Foolish Frost
Grand Technomancer
Join date: 7 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,433
03-20-2005 03:06
Now see, this is a troll.

And you're feeding it.

That's not a good thing...

So stop...
FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
03-20-2005 05:11
Please see section 5 of your Hitchhiker's Guide:

The Universe - some information to help you live in it.

1 AREA: Infinite.

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy offers this definition of
the word "Infinite."

Infinite: Bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some. Much
bigger than that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally
stunning size, real "wow, that's big," time. Infinity is just so big
that, by comparison, bigness itself looks really titchy. Gigantic
multiplied by colossal multiplied by staggeringly huge is the sort
of concept we're trying to get across here.

2 IMPORTS: None.

It is impossible to import things into an infinite area, there
being no outside to import things in from.

3 EXPORTS: None.

See Imports.

4 POPULATION: None.

It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply
because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in.
However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must
be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by
infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average
population of all the planets in the Universe is also zero, and that
any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of
a deranged imagination.

5 Monetary Units: None.

In fact there are three freely convertible currencies in the
Galaxy, but none of them count. The Altarian Dollar has recently
collapsed, the Flainian pobble Bead is only exchangeable for other
Flanian Pobble Beads, and the Triganic Pu has its own very special
problems. Its exchange rate of eight Ningis to one Pu is simple
enough, but since a Ningi is a triangular rubber coin six thousand
eight hundred miles along each side, no one has ever collected
enough to own one Pu. Ningis are not negotiable currency, because
the Galactibanks refuse to deal in fiddling small change. From this
basic premise it is very simple to prove that the Galactibanks are
also the product of a deranged imagination.

6 ART: None.

The function of art is to hold the mirror up to nature, and
there simply isn't a mirror big enough-see point one.

7 SEX: None.

Well, in fact there is an awful lot of this, largely because of
the total lack of money, trade, banks, art or anything else that
might keep all the nonexistent people of the Universe occupied.
However, it is not worth embarking on a long discussion of it
now because it really is terribly complicated. For further
information see Guide Chapters seven, nine, ten, eleven, fourteen,
sixteen, seventeen, nineteen, twenty-one to eighty-four inclusive,
and in fact most of the rest of the Guide.
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