Congratlations on the Death of Second Life!

I think she's partaking in wisdom... it's a noxious brew which the government is endlessly trying to prohibit.

nice sox. that's helpful.

i think myra's saying that the same dynamics of RL economies can be applied here. Money supply. Supply/demand. Consumer psychology (and vendor psychology). You arguing that those things don't apply here?

or are you arguing with her conclusions? it would be nice to see an argument rather than a sarcastic remark. Or maybe that's just me.

*GASP*

ALL IS LOST!!!

But wait ... I feel zee passion. The raw energy! The incessant need to kick a dead carcass of a topic in the shin one more time!!! The utter pain my eyes feel when I skim through zee passion of your prophetic words! Yes! They speak to me.

You MUST be the One that the natives have been searching for.

The only way we can save Second Life is if the blood of the One True All-Knowing-All-Talking Prophet is smothered ass-over-head all over the ground from Ahern to DaBoom.

Since no one has come forward ... can we just use you?

Zealots are needed. Thousands. Hard cases need not apply. Sacrificing AV's on a regular basis would certainly draw more attention to Second Life and publicity and morbid curiousity would bring new...um...blood... inworld.

It would also fit the gloom and doom and decline of civilization trope of the first post. We need a Thulsa Doom.

(Later on, we'll need some big, drop-jawed muscular guy with a huge pri...uh, sword, to save and govern us, but that's another election.)

And that's the creative thing I have to say to dodge this topic....

Go back, re read, ponder it on the tree of woe.....

Feted OUTED core as in out of the closet...

... I hate it when I have to explain it.

As for me - I'm with the Erisian Apple Corp -- we just like to spread discord.

Siggy.

Real Life Economy? - ok here's the argument - when you are broke IN REAL LIFE you cant go out and buy more money from the government so stop with the real life economy twaddle please.

Real Life Economy? - you can come into Second Life with nothing and in ten minutes you can be a millionaire thanks to your REAL LIFE money.

Ergo, Myra being delusional.

Hi folks,

Just wanted to let you know that the Iron Perth group will happily sponsor your event in the same manner that LL did. We only ask in return that you simply and briefly make your event attendees aware of our products and services.

Please IM Iron Perth for more information.

You can't buy $L from Linden Labs, a.k.a the government in this scenario. You can purchase $L from other residents via a third party that essentially holds both your funds and their $L in trust to ensure no one gets screwed. Nothing is being fabricated out of thin air - both RL$ and L$ have value in relation to each other.

If there's too much $L, then the value of $L goes down in comparison to RL$.

far as i know GOM is a currency exchange not buying money from the mint or something. same as going to your bank and saying "hi i'd like some shiny new Euros, a dozen kroner, a pack of pesos and throw in one of those weird giant polynesian stones they use for money. here's some dollars."

SL is a real world economy cause you can put get real world money out of it. seems pretty simple.

Real World Economy. the money can be exchanged to and from realworld currency, thus giving the money in SL a valid real-world value... And last time i checked, L$1 was worth about 5,300 Turkish Lira. Just cash out of SL and head to Turkey, spend a night at a hotel, go to a fancy restaurant and tell them to keep the change.

Ten minutes to become a millionaire? Where'd you get that from? A fortune cookie? Only way you can get that much cash is if you go to GOM and buy everybody out with US Dollars... And even then, it takes longer than ten minutes because there are rarely ever that many linden dollars posted on GOM.

Broke? Oh, well... Welcome to the real world... But seriously, if you're broke, maybe you should start doing things to EARN money... Instead of complaining that your Daddy and Mommy Linden have lowered your allowance, start a business. Make something useful, make something cool... and SELL IT for crying out loud!

Didn't the Barenaked Ladies write a song about that?

If I had a million Lyra... (If I had a million Lyra)
I'd buy you a coffee ...

Polynesia is south-pacific. Those weird giant stones are from Yap Island in the North Pacific... And as of now, I am currently selling Yap Islander money at a rate of $1L per meter of diameter. I've been thinking about manufacturing Pu and Ningis but the Galactic Banks don't fiddle in small change.

Well, Second life has come into its adulthood, we the players now haveto live of our own backs.

No more daddy lindens holding our hands.

Some will crash, some will burn but most will survive and adapt, its a human strength.


I go to france, I go to a currency broker and exchange £ for Franks.

I come on SL a virtual world with a rl economy my choices are:

Create and sell or buy and shop.

If I want money i go to GOM a currency broker and change my funds into Lindens

if i don't want to cross that line, I think to myself, What can I sell to make money in SL.

Sell my body ?
My ideas ?
Create ?
Services ?
Naughtiness ?

its my choice, Thankyou SL for giving me all these choices

AND lets not forget with the tringo example

If i create something super wonderful someone RL may just want to pay me money for it.

Then i go to Gom convert it to Linden and boost the economy by going shopping.

Wow we have E-conomy

I hate to reply to all this now, because (a) I have read it in pieces over time and not read it in its entireity today, (b) I do not understand 90% of how this "economy" is supposed to work, and (c) I'm about to go out of town and won't be able to read replies.

But I can't resist.

I have been in SL a month now, and reading this forum now and then, and I have noticed that when a person says something that resonates with me, 26 regular names come in to put that person's ideas down in no uncertain terms and with great and entertaining verbal agility.

But I just want to point out a few things real quick, and with little verbal agility, since I should be packing:

1. This economy sucks, from my point of view.

2. Y'all are constantly putting down people with the $9.95 basic membership - like myself. Basically saying, "If you want a game - i.e., something to do that makes sense - put your rl money where your mouth is." Well, my gaming money is limited, and my style is to have a regular monthly cost - not buy money on some site; and as for the 512 piece of land you get with the monthly fee, as far as I can tell, that's a joke. And I'm not going to pay a monthly fortune to have more land than that, either. As for getting $500 instead of $50, whooptie-do - that's not worth it either.

3. Remember that the more basic memberships you have running around in the world, the more vibrant that world will be. So it is against your best interests (in addition to being too self-congratulatory) to answer so many criticisms of the game itself with, "Well, spend more rl money and you will be fine."

4. A person likes to have something to do in a game - WITHIN the game - a way to make a living, a way to KEEP BUSY. Keeping busy in a game is very important. And a way to feel you are getting ahead - i.e., making some tad bit of money. Some little task, hardly matters what, or the pay for it. Money trees were good for giving me a purpose in the beginning. The gnome factory was fun the one night I tried it, but now they are not paying any more (except for winning the pot). Although I enjoy making things and plan to try to sell some some day, not everybody is cut out for that, not to mention the fact that the market for all things is already saturated. (And God knows, not everyone is cut out to be an "escort" - and if anything, I would say that this GAME'S "economy," such as it is, looks ludicrously like it's consciously designed to turn people into prostitutes.)

The ONLY event that I have found to be such total and worthwhile fun as to become a regular part of my rl schedule, with very little chance of making money from it at all, is Captions. And I will point out that the fact that you CAN win money at it (I won $200 once) helps keep the busy little worker bee gamers such as myself from feeling that they should be doing something "useful" instead.

5. Most people don't want to pay to attend an event. People don't even want to put money in the Bingo pot.

6. In my month of SL, my most fervent impression is that people in this game are stingy. I think I get that idea because the economy is so cramped. I don't think the ones not putting money in the Bingo pot are the stingy ones. I think the ones paying big bucks for the Bingo game itself and the land then holding the events and getting the dwell and not putting $100 of their own into the pot each time are the stingy ones.

I also get the impression those who are spending lots of rl money on the game figure somehow they deserve to be stingy (not any one of you in particular; I'm just tossing out vague impressions here, for what they are worth). But where are all these guests going to come from for the things you want to sell and the events you want to hold, especially if you want them to pay for the pleasure?

Fun to me is going to a treasure hunt and winning a few bucks. Or playing slots for free for an hour and winning $37. More people need to provide THAT sort of thing.

7. You've got your theories so defined and cling to them so tightly that you fail to grasp any kernel of truth in the original poster's criticism. Instead, it becomes - as so many of these threads do - simply another showcase for who can most cleverly and adroitly point out all the ways he's wrong. You can't learn anything that way.

coco

Coco I'm sure in the upcoming months you can figure out a way to have an entertaining place like you had in TSO. That is, if you decide to stay. It just takes longer to find your niche and figure out whats the best way to make SL what you want it to be.

Ingrid is right. Cocoanut you have just been playing a few weeks. What were your expectations at this point? Do you think when any of us were only a few weeks old, we were doing any better? (FYI, I am STILL riding on my one-time 10 dollar account, which I didn't even actually pay for!)

Honestly, stop worrying about what/how other people are doing or what they posess. Start doing your own thing. Meet some people, tinker with building, make an outfit, hold an event, try scripting, blog, and do some dancing. As Ingrid says, you WILL find your niche and a year from now new users will complain about your unfair privilege

I'm a week old and all I'm doin is socializing... maybe I should get on the ball (No pun intended) and learn how to do a buncha this stuff.

But socializing is something I'm good at so I may just be the ultimate socializer =D

I want you to make a mechanical bull!

why not get a premium account then? it's a monthly cost and you get at least L$2000 a month and land you can use. i personally don't see much in the way of people putting down basic account players but you got to understand 2 things.....

1. basic accounts are limited.
2. basic accounts are limited for a reason.

they're just a way for people to get into SL and try it and keep trying it with no real financial risk to themselves. but LL makes no money off them and in the long run ends up losing money on them. they set it up so you can keep using it forever and that's really cool of them don't you think? but if you want to support SL you can't really do it with a basic account and if you want to play outside the limit of a basic account you got to upgrade.


except if everybody was on a basic account LL would go out of business and no more SL. basic accounts are LL doing you a favor and giving you a way into SL until you're willing and able to invest yourself (doesn't necessarily mean money).


well we might be getting into the realm of attitude now. SL isn't set up around getting ahead and winning like other games. it's basically you get out what you put in and the people you meet are alot of the fun you'll get out of SL and alot of the support you'll get that money can't buy. yeah the markets are pretty busy but not saturated. if you got a good product and especially a new product it will sell. guess what, that's how markets work. there aren't NPCs to sell useless things to. there aren't useless things to make over and over for money. as far as turning people into prostitutes....i'ma go out on a limb and say maybe those people like the idea of playing prostitutes. there's absotively no way to force somebody to be a prostitute in SL and there's really not much need for it either.


well most events suck. that's not SLs fault it's the fault of people with no imagination doing events. if you could come up with an event people WOULD pay to attend you'd be filthy stinking rich. there's an opportunity for you no charge.


so is everybody in the world. go outside and ask your 4 closest neighbors if you can borrow $10. still i'd put the people of SL against any random bunch for being very generous and friendly and such. but people in SL respect people who put effort into things and people who go around asking for money don't get much respect. well that's not different from irl either.


first off the number of people in SL who buy or sell L$ is tiny compared to the total number of players. second if LL is relying on events to bring in new customers and support them we might as well all quit now.

thing is they aren't relying on that. the appeal of SL is that it's this big new world where you can be anything and make anything right out of thin air. you can build and play and fucking fly like a bird. and there's all these people everywhere from all over the world all doing crazy stupid amazing beautiful things. not to mention they're interesting and fun to talk to hehe. and then on top of it LL gives out free money every week even to the people who are costing them real money to support.

there's nothing wrong with having a basic account. keep it forever if you want to. LL gives you the right. but don't think you deserve more than free SL forever and L$200 a month (at least). if you want more it's easy to get even without getting your hands dirty at the GOM or whatever. just get a premium account for $9.95 a month. you get 10 times the money (at least) and land you can do anything with including sell or rent all for less than cable. less than internet. hell just skip eating at Burger King a couple times and there's the money. if you just can't spare $9.95 a month that's fine. but don't complain and expect to get more for less.


not busting on you personally but you might have a hard time having fun in SL. might just be your personality isn't set up to enjoy SL. that's nothing bad. diffrent people are diffrent. but if you got your heart set on orange juice you know a glass of milk isn't going to do it.

if i was playing a game and it wasn't what i wanted it to be and it wasn't fun i'd quit and not waste my time on it. and i'd be grateful i got to try it for almost free instead of paying $20 a month like some games just to find out i don't like it.

ps: and if you're going to say "i can't quit SL i have friends here". well........there might be hope for you still.

Posted: 02-25-2005, 11:39 PM

"not."

Zu, you do go on, and on, and .....

Posted: Today, 04:27 AM

"... you can put get real world money out of it."

Makes sense to me!

With fond regards,
BB

Yep, Dying just like it did after 1.2.

LOL This reminds me of the first rule of prophetizing the end of the world...never set a date. Before posting anything, people should give their comments the "will I look like an idiot a year from now?" test.




(Aimee of course opting to look like an idiot....RIGHT NOW!)

I predict a "Best in black" contest in the very near future.

SL is what you make of it, it can be many things to many ppl that is the beauty of sl and I dont think that idea will die any time soon

Cat