Ratings to Vanish sorta

Well Magnum, I know one thing that would happen for certain if this was the case. Ferran and I would sell Chaos and stop selling our creations. Our sales support our sim fees, which in turn support the play & work activities of about another 10 people. And also provides free retail space to at last count I think 25 some vendors. And provides free event space.

I'm not sure how to calculate how our sim fee supports other basic account players, but I suspect it does. Linden Labs has to make the money that supports the system resource usage that those players use somewhere. My guess is the those of us who pay for full sims are shouldering a pretty fair amount of that monthly load.

We would still make stuff, but we would only use it ourselves or give it to a few close friends.

$200 US is currently roughly $L 50,000 if you sell on the GOM. It takes some outragous amount of $L if you pay with $L directly to the Lindens. (does anyone have that rate, I can't dig up the link).

I would really appreciate it if you would stop stereotyping everyone who sells $L for $US as evil "money exchangers". You know Ferran and I. We are here to play and to create and to have a good time. We contribute to the community in many ways. To be characterized as greedy and corrupt gets really tedious.

Must you post this on every thread multiple times? Stop spamming the forums, please.

I'll repost what I said to you in another thread:

It would kill motivation.
It would basically declare, "We're not interested in making the Metaverse."

Consider objects are often 25 cents, 50 cents each, or less, when you convert L$ -> US$. If you eliminate L$ as a legit currency, could we realistically expect people to set up paypal / credit cards to accept 25cent and 50 cent purchases? Hell no. For that matter, consider credit cards have a transaction fee greater than the cost of many objects. In addition, it disempowers people in the game from tracking sales with the scripting language.

So, I think it's a bad idea. Very bad.

Same difference. I kinda assume SL will need to go through an architecture overhaul. It's really a matter of heuristic examination of needs to make it happen, and then adjustment of design.

But, I'll put money on it.

The fact that we have a working prototype of the Metaverse, essentially, is tickling people pink. People like Pierre (creator of ebay who donated 8mil to LL) want to have this happen.

Second Life becoming the Metaverse is not a matter of "if". It's about when and how.

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I agree 100%.

This is a great step in the right direction.

Finally the system will reflect current reality and not be just an accumulation of the past.

Now, limit the number of ratings a person can give to say... one every five minutes and take off the L$ cost... there you have Clanlord's Karma system.

-Ghoti

I still say scrap ratings completely.

Well said Surreal. I'm so sick of hearing this kind of thing I could scream. I'm in the same boat you and Ferran are. My income from my sales cover my tier fees. I wouldn't contribute nearly as much as I do if not for the ability to convert L$ into USD. It's insulting to be accused of being greedy or somehow "ruining SL".

Guess I'll have to go and re-rate you and all the rest that I gave a deserving rate to over six months ago.

Good thing I saved up some money, this is going to be a costly endeavor.

Oy vey.

Echoing both Chip and Surreals sentiment. Were it not for that ability JJW as a group with land would likely cease to exist as such. Why? because, I cant pay the Tier fee without sales. Through my paying tiers that way and one or two others contributing to cover not only my but other members Tiers. There would be no way for us to have a substantial amount of land to carry the prims of our Builds.

Hell for that matter Iam going through a forclosure on my home Real Life. Did I use money from SL to survive on? No thats not why I am loosing it. But the Money from SL Paid for itself so that I didnt ever have to worry about footing that bill each month.

So in respect to the theology that everyone that trades money is a greedy money grubbing grub snatcher is totaly a speculative assumption. See were I a greedy bastard I would have concocted some eleaborate scheme to take advantage of all the free money floating about to save my home. But, moraly Im not built like that.

So I believe in fair exchange of sales n profits via work garnered. Again, I dont believe in this crap that everyone that exchanges money is super rich and ripping SL a new asshole.

So those of you so vehemently against the Sale of Linden for US$ better reevaluate your stance because considering the facts of the entire situation without that ability SL as a quality whole would cease to exist. Please for those that like to read snippits I said "Quality Whole" meaning there would be a significant reduction in content being provided. \

((now you know why I have been extremely edgey lately and snip at the drop of a pin))

Good day.

Shadow Weaver

Perhaps we could have a moratorium on all rhetoric about groups and people ruining SL? Greedy land barons and linden traders, privileged content barons, ignorant newbies stumbling all over themselves, etc.?

Been lurking on these forums for a short time, but I think it's all a bit over the top.

Yes, I know, someone recently told me that's how people play here, but....

You are an entirely sensible person Seth!

capitalism depends on the existence of poverty

... and lima beans.

(Yes. Lima beans as well.)

Robin says:” Many longtime Residents are carrying ratings (positive and negative) given by Residents who are no longer a part of the Community in a time when Second Life had different rules and a different economy. These older ratings no longer accurately reflect the realities of Second Life.”



This is simply baffling to me. Can I have a Linden explain a few things to me?:

First, why are the ratings I got from people in the past – even those who’ve passed away – worth less than ratings given today? Just because the tax, or price, was lower? That makes sense ONLY if the ratings are nothing more than a money sink. And even that doesn’t make a lot of sense. Is the idea that we’ll spend more if the recipient has less points? Huh?

And WHAT rules are different? Specifically. What rules have changed that remove value from MY points in favor of those earned by someone else last week?

And how is the economy different? Weren’t the ratings points always the same? You taxed us for them on a point by point basis. They were distributed to three categories. You gave out stipend based on some sort of measurement of those points – plus various other measures. Is this a way to say that you are no longer going to give out bonuses according to ratings? So what? Who cares? Why do you assume I “gathered” points in order to earn a higher bonus? Just because some people tried to game the system that way, why do *I* have to pay the penalty? I was using those ratings for the purpose you told me they were meant for – to show people that I noticed them, and what I thought of them. Was I using them incorrectly?

And finally – and this is a good one – how in the world is it that my older ratings “no longer accurately reflect the realities of Second Life.” What the heck does THAT mean in English? What part of reality were they reflecting before? And how don’t they reflect that now?

Huh?

Now just get rid ALL ratings that happened in between the time of the announcement that ratings would be costing L$25, and the launch of the new version (1.5.14?), refund L$1 for each, and we'll be on a level playing field.

-Flip

Unless we get our money back that we spent on ratings that are just going to vanish, especiallly the25L oned then I think this sux as much as pulling event support. PFFFFT

this sucks...I'll have like 2 ratings since most of mine are more than 6 months old...and I've been in SL for a year on the 20th...I got most of my ratings within a couple months of joining. How's about if you're gonna take away old ratings you change the price back to $1L so we have some chance of getting rated once in a while. I don't mind rating people for $1L but I have to be thoroughally impressed to rate someone for $25L

So I propose $1L ratings with the 6 month decay.

or

Drop the whole decay issue and quit giving money bonuses for ratings.

I just don't want to look like a newbie after almost a year of playing.

How about we just set everyone to ZERO, lose neg rates altogether, make rates worth NO bonus money, and cost L$0?

-Flip

Makes sense to me.

My thought all along was that the value of the rating was in the fact that I saw, appreciated, and gave them a tiny trophy.

I didn’t know it was going to turn into something so cheap and meaningless that the Lindens were coming around to throw them all in the trash.

I mean, sheesh, what if I were to start paying 25 bucks for those little trophies? Would they come along and throw those away too?

Oh, wait. I guess they already said they would.

If you can’t leave them alone, then cut them free of money entirely – cost or award.

Or just kill the damn things. I can always just give people homemade trophies.

Hmmm. Maybe I can even open a little trophy shop. I promise not to go around later and steal them from the people you give them to.

I have mixed feelings on this one. On one hand I view those rates as a personal history of us old timers. In the begining ppl didn't hand them out like free candy. In the middle they did. Now rates cost a minor fortune.

On the other hand bye bye neg rates

So its kewl I suppose. Ah times are changing

I don't mind my negs. I was proud of how I got them.

I was proud of how I got all my ratings.

But charging 25 bucks a throw is just a plain ol' regressive tax.

First off, I feel like I earned my old buck-a-pop ratings. I'm not the most social person, so any interaction that earned me a rating is is a unique and noteworthy experience. Thus, it sucks that my old rating are going to vanish.

I've never given nor received a negative rating. Thus, it sucks that my old rating are going to vanish.

That being said, I never really cared about ratings per se. They've always seemed like more of an awkward social obligation than a real measure of anything. Thus, I am indifferent to the changes to the rating structure.

I hate, hate, hate the time and energy spent by SL residents endlessly discussing something as banal as the ratings system. Thus, I would like to see the system burned to the ground.

I will now stop using the word thus.

SWEET!!!
so my *flawless* 0 negatives and many positives score is going to die simply because newer people are whining because they cant compete with someone whos BEEN wracking up rates for a long time! OMG AWESOME, could we possibly also give every single person in game like 30000 lindens and their own sim? that would be RAWK! I can't understand why anyone would want to actually hold on to all thoe positive ratings they got while they were pioneering this world. No... decaying rates is an awesome idea. I simply cant WAIT to see my impressively spotless records go down the toilet.

LL, I thought selling top pick spots was stupid... I thought many of the changes that have been implemented were made rather poorly with little regard to the community and especially to the older community that have been SUPPORTING you.... but this, this takes the cake.
All my time here, all my effort to be a good citizen and not get neg rated and contribute to the world is now going to "decay" because someone who hasnt done ANYTHING complains that they dont have what I do?

This is just stupid.

*runs out to see how high he can get his neg rate score since apparently the positive rates dont count, and the negs dont matter*

i'll neg rate you if you neg rate me back.