Ratings to Vanish sorta

Since WHEN? Are you kidding? The overwhelming amount of griefer rates are people's alts and unless there's an infringement of the TOS, there's nothing LL can/will do about it. Further, 1-time account rates will stay. - as you point out next.

Yes, but it provides a great thing - a probation. Keep yourself clean for 6 months and you're neg rate free. And complimentary to that - get wrongly rated, and it won't be on your permanent record.

I may add - we're going to see a HUGE uprooting of the leaderboard's oldtimers.

Yay!

Kinda...

Funnily enough, the ratings I got from residents who aren't members, are probably more meaningfull than my most recent ones. As rate mining was less popular back then.

But ah well, glad to see progression towards a better system.

Hiro,

I only see this stupid move helping the Money Exchangers get even richer as the value of the Linden Dollar climbes even higher as people loose more money in ratings.

I am so angery.

Magnum,

You may want to see the thread I started in the Economy forum:
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I talk about my predictions for the rise in the L$. Honestly, I think the overall price of the L$ is based on the demand for the L$, and the demand for the L$ is based mainly on the demand for SL.

Prices of objects will gradually adjust to this demand. The consequence is that I don't think there will be a huge change in the price, though short term I threw out a prediction of maybe 10% raise in US$/L$ price.

And on top of that, LL has gone on record saying they want to try and adjust the economy to stay around $4US/1kL, so I think your worrying is a bit premature.

But, as to you saying "Money Exchangers" will get even richer... i take offense to that. These "Money Exchangers" are mostly people who make content and provide services for SL. I may also add that my prediction in price is still lower than the mid-summer prices of $5/1kL that we used to see.

Hasn't happened yet

Infact, 3 weeks ago, 10,000 Linden cost 40 bucks now it is close to 90 or 100 bucks. A direct link to the ratings disaster.

10,000L @ $40US = $4.00US/1kL.

I just checked www.gamingopenmarket.com an hour ago. Price was $4.02US/1kL.

EDIT: Now it's $4.00/1kL

$90US/10kL = $9US/1kL

So, you're saying the price is more than twice what it really is.

Where are you getting your figures from to support this claim?

Right, Loki.

/13/25/35562/1.html#post383047

check out my suggestion in Feature Suggestions.

A step in the right direction. I still say....

Wipe them all! Zero all ratings! Let it actually mean something in future!

You could think of it as a gradual wipe over 6 months, no?

It's not the same thing.

What I want: All ratings zeroed. Now. For everyone. And to appease rate whores of old, their old number can appear in brackets beside the new meaningful one, so they can say 'ah, but before I had 4000! Because I'm that good! (at standing in Ahern with 'I triple rate always' as a title).

Yup. I know lots of people disagree, and I don't care. I have friends who won't talk to me since I wrote this in my profile. lol.

You didn't specify how fast


Yeah, I agree there was plenty of abuse... problem is you can't penalize everyone for what some people did. And, technically, they were in the limitation of the system. This is probably the most fair thing they can do.

IMO.

You didn't specify how fast


Yeah, I agree there was plenty of abuse... problem is you can't penalize everyone for what some people did. And, technically, they were in the limitation of the system. This is probably the most fair thing they can do.

IMO.

I'm not penalizing anyone! Thats why I want it across the board!

Every last rate, positive and negative, that I've ever given, I gave because I thought they deserved it. I'm asking that they be wiped too - my genuine opinions on people and their work.

But if people are gonna keep their 4000 pos rates and try and tell me they earned them honestly for their ability and behavior and that they really mean something then I'm simply not going to participate in the ratings system. Shit, I know people who have hundreds or thousands of building rates who dont know how to rez a fscking cube.

It was a broken system. It has been partially fixed. Now lets fix it so that it can be used, fairly, as intended.

The way I see it, people who never abused rates are penalized by people who did abuse rates. Plus, wiping rates outright is like an Ex Post Facto law.

Otherwise, you make strong arguments.

Is it any different from the new implementation in that respect? Up til now, I thought if I rated someone it was a permanent reflection of my opinion of them on their record. Now we're told that it's conditional and time limited? How do all the people feel that have been dishing out $25-a-hit rates feel that they're now temporary?

(Though I gotta admit I'm still not exactly sure what this new system is actually saying.. are rates - any rates - only valid for 6 months? Or is it what Eggy said, that only dead account rates fade? or what?)

You've got somewhat of a point. Technically for it to be purely not Ex Post Factor, you'd have to say, "Well, all rates from now on are 6 months". But, I think it'd kind of be silly to have old and new types of rates, especially considering how many you'd have to keep track of. I think this is a good compromise.

Yes, I believe so.

I want the Lindens to ban trading Lindens for Real World Currency. That will stop all the whining about the ratings and bonuses.

Ban all sale of Linden Dollars for Real World Currency. However you will still be able to buy Lindens, just can't sell them in the real world.

I already agreed with you in the other thread.

I've never liked the whole L$==USD thing. As I've told people before, and has been another unpopular view of mine, as far as I'm concerned, Second Life plummeted into a whole new era of selfish, capitalist, fuck you-ism the day GOM opened its doors.

And kill motivation.
And basically declare, "We're not interested in making the Metaverse."

Consider objects are often 25 cents, 50 cents each, or less, when you convert L$ -> US$. If you eliminate L$ as a legit currency, could we realistically expect people to set up paypal / credit cards to accept 25cent and 50 cent purchases? Hell no. For that matter, consider credit cards have a transaction fee greater than the cost of many objects. In addition, it disempowers people in the game from tracking sales with the scripting language.

So, I think it's a bad idea. Very bad.

Welcome to the real world, Kris.

We could have one of two things:
(a) A neat game where you can build stuff, that LL will go bankrupt continuing to support, or will instead raise rates per user to continue to support.
(b) An evolving Metaverse that will revolutionize the Internet.

Your problem is with life and people in general, not with Second Life.

Hiro, Second Life is not and never will be 'the metaverse'. I absolutely guarantee you!

Second Life 2, maybe, after a complete rewrite. But somehow I doubt thats gunna happen.

It's kind of closer to your first choice. Except that I dont see LL going bankrupt with the ridiculous fees they charge to play

Oh yeah. And you're right. PEOPLE SUCK.

But those who call for an end to ratings and an increase of 25 bucks for ratings will suddenly go silent.