Second Life Forums Archive - Ratings to Vanish sorta

Drift Monde

Junior Member

Join date: 27 Nov 2003

Posts: 335

02-10-2005 16:03

From: someone

When we recently undertook to reform the ratings and event support systems, many Residents brought up questions about one thing we left out: old ratings. Many longtime Residents are carrying ratings (positive and negative) given by Residents who are no longer a part of the Community in a time when Second Life had different rules and a different economy. These older ratings no longer accurately reflect the realities of Second Life.

Starting February 16, and continuing thereafter, positive and negative ratings older than six months will decay and disappear from ratings totals. This change will have the benefit of making more recent ratings more meaningful and representative, while also making those ugly negatives a little less permanent.
__________________

I don't understand why it doesn't start with the new rating fee.

_____________________

Torley Linden

Enlightenment!

Join date: 15 Sep 2004

Posts: 16,530

02-10-2005 16:11

I do believe a reason for this is because this is a more gradual, subtle way of "bridging" between the old rating fee and the current one. As opposed to a sudden "WIPEOUT!", this "ratings erosion" will allow more time for acclimation. Six months down the line, we'll see how things are. =^_^=

_____________________

Mike Zidane

Registered User

Join date: 10 Apr 2004

Posts: 255

02-10-2005 16:39

/blessed

I'm all for it.

_____________________

I'm only faking when I get it right. - CC

Olmy Seraph

Valued Member

Join date: 1 Nov 2004

Posts: 502

good news, bad news

02-10-2005 16:41

Wow, very cool. Finally, I'll be able to compete with those old-timers who have been around getting ratings forever.

On the other hand, I've gotten like 1 rating since the L$25 fee took effect. Sigh.

_____________________

Some people are like Slinkies... not really good for anything, but they sure bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

Cybin Monde

Resident Moderator (?)

Join date: 27 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,468

wise move.

02-10-2005 16:44

i think this is quite the advantageous imlpementation. it will serve to even out the ratings playing field, as well as (like Robin said) make negs a bit liess irritable.

thanks LL for a move in the right direction.. hopefully this is just a band-aid to facilitate further evolution of the ratings to something more along the lines of meaningful commentary.

_____________________

"We, as developers, are doing the easy part – building the scaffolding for a new world. You, as the engines of creation, must breathe life into it."
- Philip Linden

"There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination. Living there, you'll be free if you truly wish to be."
- Willy Wonka (circa 1971)

SecondSpace (http://groups.myspace.com/secondspace) : MySpace group for SLers.

Unhygienix Gullwing

I banged Pandastrong

Join date: 26 Jun 2004

Posts: 728

02-10-2005 16:49

Will it also result in being able to re-rate folks when they do something new to impress (or infuriate) us? Do we re-gain the ability to rate people as our old ratings of them drop away?

I'll be glad to see the fewer-than-5 negative ratings that I've given drop away. I don't remember who specifically I gave them out to, but I think that they were probably to people who aren't in SL anymore, and were probably removed from the community do to their habits. Just the same, it'll be nice to see them wiped clean.

Lordfly Digeridoo

Prim Orchestrator

Join date: 21 Jul 2003

Posts: 3,628

02-10-2005 16:54

THANK YOU!!!!!

*kisses his 30 neg rates goodbye, finally*

_____________________

----
http://www.lordfly.com/
http://www.twitter.com/lordfly
http://www.plurk.com/lordfly

Nolan Nash

Frischer Frosch

Join date: 15 May 2003

Posts: 7,141

02-10-2005 16:54

I have more or less been expecting something like this to happen eventually, which is one of the reasons I have never cared too much about ratings. One of the other reasons is because they never worked the way they were intended. Not to toot my own horn, but I have spent nearly 2 years with SL's building toolset, have been told that I am an above average builder, and I would be lying if I said it doesn't make me furrow my brow a bit when I see someone fairly new with a higher build rating.

The increase in cost coupled with the decay of ratings are likely steps in the right direction.

_____________________

“Time's fun when you're having flies.” ~Kermit

Lordfly Digeridoo

Prim Orchestrator

Join date: 21 Jul 2003

Posts: 3,628

02-10-2005 17:03

From: Nolan Nash

Not to toot my own horn, but I have spent nearly 2 years with SL's building toolset, have been told that I am an above average builder, and I would be lying if I said it doesn't make me furrow my brow a bit when I see someone fairly new with a higher build rating.

Seconded, for the record

_____________________

----
http://www.lordfly.com/
http://www.twitter.com/lordfly
http://www.plurk.com/lordfly

Torrid Midnight

Work in progress

Join date: 13 May 2003

Posts: 814

02-10-2005 17:12

*cough* newer ratings more meaningful? LOL Sorry but I think most of the people that are newer with a ton of ratings didn't come by them because each one meant something. I guess it's great for those with a ton of negs but I earned most of my older ratings so it kinda sucks a little that they have to go. Oh well change is change

.

_____________________

Daemioth Sklar

Lifetime Member

Join date: 30 Jul 2003

Posts: 944

02-10-2005 17:42

Hmmm...

_____________________

Loki Pico

Registered User

Join date: 20 Jun 2003

Posts: 1,938

02-10-2005 17:50

Robin said... "Starting February 16, and continuing thereafter, positive and negative ratings older than six months will decay and disappear from ratings totals."

Does that mean ratings will always reflect the current six month period? Is that how it will work? Or is it just the initial decay drop of the oldest ratings? If ongoing six month period, that means those that want the highest ratings have to actively lobby and game for them? If I rated someone seven months ago and that rating has dropped, can I rate them again? Is there a discount price for the second rating? Clue me in, just trying to make sure Im clear.

Sensual Casanova

Spoiled Brat

Join date: 28 Feb 2004

Posts: 4,807

02-10-2005 17:52

that sucks, my neg ratings are all from griefers, excluding a triple neg given by some deranged stalker... and sadly I dont think they are older than 6 months... matter of fact, the derranged stalker triple neg rated me "before they costed too much"

_____________________

Sensual Designs & Animations
Sensual Productions

Teleport to Sensual Designs & Animations

Daemioth Sklar

Lifetime Member

Join date: 30 Jul 2003

Posts: 944

02-10-2005 18:56

The language seems to indicate that ratings will only reflect the previous 6 month period.

_____________________

Stormy Roentgen

Prim Putter Togetherer

Join date: 25 May 2004

Posts: 342

02-10-2005 19:15

Starting February 16, and continuing thereafter, positive and negative ratings older than six months will decay and disappear from ratings totals.

If 6 month old rating were just being removed this once, I wouldn't see that as a decay. It would be a one time wipe/removal. The way I interpret this statement, because of the words I've made bold, I'd think ratings will decay once they reach 6 months old, from here on out.

_____________________

You can find my products at these locations:

Malachi Petunia

Gentle Miscreant

Join date: 21 Sep 2003

Posts: 3,414

02-10-2005 19:16

Does this mean that the 17 negs I handed out to parcel banners will go away? The day land-banning was introduced, I got into a snit, handed out build negs with "speed bumps are bad for the world, please remove the ban and I'll un-neg". Alas, three of twenty did respond and I forgot who the others were

(embarrased emoticon that doesn't look as embarrassed as I feel)

Darko Cellardoor

Cannabinoid Addict

Join date: 10 Nov 2003

Posts: 1,307

02-10-2005 19:18

Haha. I think I am stuck with over 350 negative ratings! WTF?

Nolan Nash

Frischer Frosch

Join date: 15 May 2003

Posts: 7,141

02-10-2005 19:25

From: Darko Cellardoor

Haha. I think I am stuck with over 350 negative ratings! WTF?

Just pack a bowl and sail on!

_____________________

“Time's fun when you're having flies.” ~Kermit

Darko Cellardoor

Cannabinoid Addict

Join date: 10 Nov 2003

Posts: 1,307

02-10-2005 19:29

From: Nolan Nash

Just pack a bowl and sail on!

Right on HIPPIE NASH!

Siggy Romulus

DILLIGAF

Join date: 22 Sep 2003

Posts: 5,711

02-10-2005 19:31

So to re-invent a 'Sports term' -- Darko, you could be the 'neggiest' person in SL!

Wooot!

Siggy.

_____________________

The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals.

From: Jesse Linden

I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread

Loki Pico

Registered User

Join date: 20 Jun 2003

Posts: 1,938

02-10-2005 19:34

So now I will have to keep up with who I think deserves a good rating and be sure I go back and rerate them every six months?

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

02-10-2005 19:44

"given by Residents who are no longer a part of the Community"

_____________________

Help us document Second Life history at http://slhistory.org!

Chicago Kent

Registered User

Join date: 19 Jan 2005

Posts: 68

02-10-2005 20:17

Bravo Linden Labs!

A step in the right direction! I appreciate you reading my post today /120/bd/35519/1.html and taking prompt action.

Most Sincerely,
Chicago Kent

Hiro Pendragon

bye bye f0rums!

Join date: 22 Jan 2004

Posts: 5,905

02-10-2005 20:57

Bravo LL for implementing another player-suggested and player-supported idea. (Not that you didn't also think of and like the idea as well.)

Now stupid griefer rates from a long time ago will be GONE, and people who have spent their time getting rate-spammed will no longer get that exploit.

@ Kent: How does your letter have anything to do with this? You wrote that today and we've been discussing this very issue and solution for over a year!

_____________________

Hiro Pendragon
------------------
http://www.involve3d.com - Involve - Metaverse / Emerging Media Studio

Visit my SL blog: http://secondtense.blogspot.com

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

02-10-2005 21:29

Dont deflate his ego, Hiro.
As for griefer ratings:
a) Most griefers leave SL really fast, or get kicked out. Their ratings have always gone with them.
b) Since this new thing only applies to ratings that are over 6 months old, and that belong to dead accounts, the active accounts from people's 10-dollar alts will still be able to rate-rape you.

_____________________

Help us document Second Life history at http://slhistory.org!

Ratings to Vanish sorta
Drift Monde Junior Member Join date: 27 Nov 2003 Posts: 335	02-10-2005 16:03 /3/cb/35541/1.html posted by Robin.. From: someone When we recently undertook to reform the ratings and event support systems, many Residents brought up questions about one thing we left out: old ratings. Many longtime Residents are carrying ratings (positive and negative) given by Residents who are no longer a part of the Community in a time when Second Life had different rules and a different economy. These older ratings no longer accurately reflect the realities of Second Life. Starting February 16, and continuing thereafter, positive and negative ratings older than six months will decay and disappear from ratings totals. This change will have the benefit of making more recent ratings more meaningful and representative, while also making those ugly negatives a little less permanent. __________________ I don't understand why it doesn't start with the new rating fee. _____________________
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	02-10-2005 16:11 I do believe a reason for this is because this is a more gradual, subtle way of "bridging" between the old rating fee and the current one. As opposed to a sudden "WIPEOUT!", this "ratings erosion" will allow more time for acclimation. Six months down the line, we'll see how things are. =^_^= _____________________
Mike Zidane Registered User Join date: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 255	02-10-2005 16:39 /blessed I'm all for it. _____________________ I'm only faking when I get it right. - CC
Olmy Seraph Valued Member Join date: 1 Nov 2004 Posts: 502	good news, bad news 02-10-2005 16:41 Wow, very cool. Finally, I'll be able to compete with those old-timers who have been around getting ratings forever. On the other hand, I've gotten like 1 rating since the L$25 fee took effect. Sigh. _____________________ Some people are like Slinkies... not really good for anything, but they sure bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Cybin Monde Resident Moderator (?) Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,468	wise move. 02-10-2005 16:44 i think this is quite the advantageous imlpementation. it will serve to even out the ratings playing field, as well as (like Robin said) make negs a bit liess irritable. thanks LL for a move in the right direction.. hopefully this is just a band-aid to facilitate further evolution of the ratings to something more along the lines of meaningful commentary. _____________________ "We, as developers, are doing the easy part – building the scaffolding for a new world. You, as the engines of creation, must breathe life into it." - Philip Linden "There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination. Living there, you'll be free if you truly wish to be." - Willy Wonka (circa 1971) SecondSpace (http://groups.myspace.com/secondspace) : MySpace group for SLers.
Unhygienix Gullwing I banged Pandastrong Join date: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 728	02-10-2005 16:49 Will it also result in being able to re-rate folks when they do something new to impress (or infuriate) us? Do we re-gain the ability to rate people as our old ratings of them drop away? I'll be glad to see the fewer-than-5 negative ratings that I've given drop away. I don't remember who specifically I gave them out to, but I think that they were probably to people who aren't in SL anymore, and were probably removed from the community do to their habits. Just the same, it'll be nice to see them wiped clean.
Lordfly Digeridoo Prim Orchestrator Join date: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 3,628	02-10-2005 16:54 THANK YOU!!!!! kisses his 30 neg rates goodbye, finally _____________________ ---- http://www.lordfly.com/ http://www.twitter.com/lordfly http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Nolan Nash Frischer Frosch Join date: 15 May 2003 Posts: 7,141	02-10-2005 16:54 I have more or less been expecting something like this to happen eventually, which is one of the reasons I have never cared too much about ratings. One of the other reasons is because they never worked the way they were intended. Not to toot my own horn, but I have spent nearly 2 years with SL's building toolset, have been told that I am an above average builder, and I would be lying if I said it doesn't make me furrow my brow a bit when I see someone fairly new with a higher build rating. The increase in cost coupled with the decay of ratings are likely steps in the right direction. _____________________ “Time's fun when you're having flies.” ~Kermit
Lordfly Digeridoo Prim Orchestrator Join date: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 3,628	02-10-2005 17:03 From: Nolan Nash Not to toot my own horn, but I have spent nearly 2 years with SL's building toolset, have been told that I am an above average builder, and I would be lying if I said it doesn't make me furrow my brow a bit when I see someone fairly new with a higher build rating. Seconded, for the record _____________________ ---- http://www.lordfly.com/ http://www.twitter.com/lordfly http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Torrid Midnight Work in progress Join date: 13 May 2003 Posts: 814	02-10-2005 17:12 cough newer ratings more meaningful? LOL Sorry but I think most of the people that are newer with a ton of ratings didn't come by them because each one meant something. I guess it's great for those with a ton of negs but I earned most of my older ratings so it kinda sucks a little that they have to go. Oh well change is change . _____________________
Daemioth Sklar Lifetime Member Join date: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 944	02-10-2005 17:42 Hmmm... _____________________
Loki Pico Registered User Join date: 20 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	02-10-2005 17:50 Robin said... "Starting February 16, and continuing thereafter, positive and negative ratings older than six months will decay and disappear from ratings totals." Does that mean ratings will always reflect the current six month period? Is that how it will work? Or is it just the initial decay drop of the oldest ratings? If ongoing six month period, that means those that want the highest ratings have to actively lobby and game for them? If I rated someone seven months ago and that rating has dropped, can I rate them again? Is there a discount price for the second rating? Clue me in, just trying to make sure Im clear.
Sensual Casanova Spoiled Brat Join date: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 4,807	02-10-2005 17:52 that sucks, my neg ratings are all from griefers, excluding a triple neg given by some deranged stalker... and sadly I dont think they are older than 6 months... matter of fact, the derranged stalker triple neg rated me "before they costed too much" _____________________ Sensual Designs & Animations Sensual Productions Teleport to Sensual Designs & Animations
Daemioth Sklar Lifetime Member Join date: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 944	02-10-2005 18:56 The language seems to indicate that ratings will only reflect the previous 6 month period. _____________________
Stormy Roentgen Prim Putter Togetherer Join date: 25 May 2004 Posts: 342	02-10-2005 19:15 Starting February 16, and continuing thereafter, positive and negative ratings older than six months will decay* and disappear from ratings totals.* If 6 month old rating were just being removed this once, I wouldn't see that as a decay. It would be a one time wipe/removal. The way I interpret this statement, because of the words I've made bold, I'd think ratings will decay once they reach 6 months old, from here on out. _____________________ You can find my products at these locations:
Malachi Petunia Gentle Miscreant Join date: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 3,414	02-10-2005 19:16 Does this mean that the 17 negs I handed out to parcel banners will go away? The day land-banning was introduced, I got into a snit, handed out build negs with "speed bumps are bad for the world, please remove the ban and I'll un-neg". Alas, three of twenty did respond and I forgot who the others were (embarrased emoticon that doesn't look as embarrassed as I feel)
Darko Cellardoor Cannabinoid Addict Join date: 10 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,307	02-10-2005 19:18 Haha. I think I am stuck with over 350 negative ratings! WTF?
Nolan Nash Frischer Frosch Join date: 15 May 2003 Posts: 7,141	02-10-2005 19:25 From: Darko Cellardoor Haha. I think I am stuck with over 350 negative ratings! WTF? Just pack a bowl and sail on! _____________________ “Time's fun when you're having flies.” ~Kermit
Darko Cellardoor Cannabinoid Addict Join date: 10 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,307	02-10-2005 19:29 From: Nolan Nash Just pack a bowl and sail on! Right on HIPPIE NASH!
Siggy Romulus DILLIGAF Join date: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 5,711	02-10-2005 19:31 So to re-invent a 'Sports term' -- Darko, you could be the 'neggiest' person in SL! Wooot! Siggy. _____________________ The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Loki Pico Registered User Join date: 20 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	02-10-2005 19:34 So now I will have to keep up with who I think deserves a good rating and be sure I go back and rerate them every six months?
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	02-10-2005 19:44 "given by Residents who are no longer a part of the Community" _____________________ Help us document Second Life history at http://slhistory.org!
Chicago Kent Registered User Join date: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 68	02-10-2005 20:17 Bravo Linden Labs! A step in the right direction! I appreciate you reading my post today /120/bd/35519/1.html and taking prompt action. Most Sincerely, Chicago Kent
Hiro Pendragon bye bye f0rums! Join date: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,905	02-10-2005 20:57 Bravo LL for implementing another player-suggested and player-supported idea. (Not that you didn't also think of and like the idea as well.) Now stupid griefer rates from a long time ago will be GONE, and people who have spent their time getting rate-spammed will no longer get that exploit. @ Kent: How does your letter have anything to do with this? You wrote that today and we've been discussing this very issue and solution for over a year! _____________________ Hiro Pendragon ------------------ http://www.involve3d.com - Involve - Metaverse / Emerging Media Studio Visit my SL blog: http://secondtense.blogspot.com
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	02-10-2005 21:29 Dont deflate his ego, Hiro. As for griefer ratings: a) Most griefers leave SL really fast, or get kicked out. Their ratings have always gone with them. b) Since this new thing only applies to ratings that are over 6 months old, and that belong to dead accounts, the active accounts from people's 10-dollar alts will still be able to rate-rape you. _____________________ Help us document Second Life history at http://slhistory.org!

Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

Ratings to Vanish sorta