The Anshe antibash thread - only nice words here please.

Oh, can i send another thing?

She is never jealous of anybody, even though we are all jealous of her.

Latonia

PS Kris, you crack me up lol

It seems - not long ago - that you were being tossed about in these forums too by a few angry 'others'. I remember feeing compassion for you at that time. It just seemed and still does seem, unfair to me to hack individuals up in these forums. One on One is fair.

So, why not schedule a formal debate - an event - with a panel of objective people who can determine if there is really a winner or loser here.

There are different ideas of what is ideal - thats all I see. If you are against people expressing themselves then that just doesn't fit with what I have thought about YOU in the past. I do not personally like or approve (which amounts to squat) of Anshe's signs. They clutter up my view. As do the builds, objects, AVs, personnal behavior of alot of folks who 'play' SL. It goes with the territory - its imaginary - its many people imaging the same thing and more often then not the result will not be 'OK' with everyone.

I feel lucky to have such altruistic imaginings. I grew up where the 'idea' of being a financial or business success is not an alien thing. Its there for the taking so to speak - even if I choose to take it or not. But I have had that opportunity. People don't get killed where I live/grew up - not once was a relative of mind gouged, or raped, hanged, or ?? for doing what comes naturally here - trying to prosper.

My imaginings are not limited by that having never been allowed. What I think of as FREE in fact - doesn't happen to involve working at all! But I know that my idea of freedom is 180 degrees different from others who may be playing this game. Who have experienced in one way or another repression from certain activities that I may take for granted.

On the other hand, my imaginings have been limited by never having terror, slaughter, repression in general - through not allowing education, freedom of expression in arts or so many other things I can't name them. Would it be a good thing for my imagination? Who knows. My gut tells me that I am priviledged to have lived the way I have - even if at times I considered that to be life on the fringe.

I guess I am a liberal in the most extreme sense - an anarchist too. Things will be the way they are until we all learn to somehow get along. In all of these hundreds/thousands of years why haven't we figured that out yet? Its always about fighting for some of us -
whether our cause is masked as a good one or a bad one.

Life is unbelievably short - if you don't know it yet, you will. I will stop preaching now.

I met Anshe awhile back. Don't know her well, but to me she seems smart and shrewd, but also kind and fun-loving.

What would be the point of a debate when I am up against ppl who spout bold face lies on public forums?

I see no point in subjecting myself to more of the same to those ppl and their friends.

My post was a joke. There were other posts that were obvious insults why call mine out amongst all the others? To make a point?

Your post was interesting but being 40 I have learned plenty of life lessons and I am ok with everything I have said. I am also ok with standing for what I believe in, even when it means I have to take so much shit for those "opinions".

Cat

ROFLMAO

I think I've met anshe once or twice, and seemed cool enough. but those two nice new sims auctioned off on the east... all little bitty lots now . I mean I know it makes business sense, but dangit it also makes for small cube houses

well said.

too bad it aparantly doesn't apply to people with views that opose yours.

These are her views;
Tolerance?

*shakes head

Cat, I 'singled' yours out for two reasons:

1 - Your buying and selling land thread is full of Anshe bashing - yes there have been others, but that thread happened to be the 'last straw' for me.

2 - I have read threads in the past - here and in SLUniverse - that were bashing YOU.

SO, yes to make a point. But I don't think that I said bad things about you.

When I said the part at the end of my post about life being short I was more into a universal YOU mode.

I respect your point of view and in many ways agree with it. I am sorry if I have offended you personally. That really isn't my intent. My purpose here and in other threads I have interjected my thoughts/feelings is to try to do things differently - and to maybe get others to see/do things differently.

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there's no point. it seems apparent that as long as sims are added, and land is auctioned, a few people are going to end up reselling the bulk of it. nobody can prove that that's a good or bad arrangement. nobody has a better method of distributing newly added land.

btw, these people are land brokers. barons don't sell land, they own it. they let people live and work on their land for share fees, or dare we call them taxes, but they never sell the land. it's an inheritance.

on topic: anshe's posts really light up a thread.

actually the proper term would be profiteers, as they exploit an existing system's weaknesses for persoanl profit. Its not 'against the rules' simply because the rules aren't adequate...

sort of like pre 1960's 'insider trading' it wasn't illegal at the time.. simply unethical. Which turned out to not be a sufficient deterrant to stop the harm the practice caused average day to day investors, so the rules were changed.

My anti-bash for Anshe!!!

She strengthens the Linden more than anyone else in this game. Doubt me? Anshe bids on auctions, wins, doesn't claim the land, the land goes back up, and she bids again, this time winning. Right there, she's strengthened Linden Lab by paying for two pieces of land and a re-list fee. Then, she sells the land, right? I'd wager once she turns a profit on land, she GOM's her Lindens into dollars, giving GOM more activity and strengthening the value of the Linden. Even then, Anshe's cycle is not done. By owning land in-world, and selling it for Lindens, she's forcing others to GOM dollars into Lindens, thus strengthening the Linden.

So, if Anshe is doing even one-third of what I said, she's strengthening the value of the Linden. If she's doing two-thirds or all of it, then she's strengthening the Linden more than anyone I know!

Thanks, Anshe!

Anshe is sexay! And she loves my house! We used to hang out before she did the land thing... she was always nice to me, as far as i can remember.

Here we go again with that Exploit word. What exactly is exploited? There is absolutely nothing holding you or I back from buying said land at auction. What rules would make buying land more to your liking?

GOOD GAWD! I don't know Anshe from Adam...but I'd like to defend her and *everyone else* who buys and sells SL land! All this 'land baron' trash talk I see on the forums is frankly disgusting. If people want to play real-estate in this wonderful pixelated world, let them! You don't like Anshe's signs? Go somewhere else! You don't like her small little plots of land? Don't buy them!

I never have, and probably never will have, the spare $100 some odd bucks a month to be land tired enough to play Virtual Realtor. But the continual whining about how unfair land traders are, how deceitful, arrogant, and in-league-with-the-devil they are, is pathetic!

Rather than bash landowners, why don't you go over to that vineyard of yours and suck on them Sour Grapes! And, yeah, I mean you! Not the pencilneck staring over your shoulder at your nude Lara Croft wallpaper, but YOU! PHPPPPPPPPPPPPPPT!

Wait... Anshe loves your house? What you mean that big mother trucking lodge house that I just built for you? The house I built for you that she is using in her advertisement picture for the land around you, saying "near beautiful estate"?!

But... but... Anshe just addressed me personally with the statement...



*sigh* well if building for free for my friends isn't contributing with hard work or service and neither is hosting and building a (totally non commercial) themed sim for the public to use and enjoy, maybe I SHOULD become a land baron.

Is it because I don't charge money for what I do? Is it because I'm not profitting from people? Is that the measurable factor?

Yes, that house lol =)

Anshe is the best at what she does.

Anshe always speaks her mind, and will give you her opinion.

Anshe is determined and focused on her goals and is unrelenting in getting them - she doesn't let others lessen her perserverence.

Anshe has a very definite vision for the aesthetic of SL, and, more than anyone else, is succeeding in making SL that vision.

Anshe has always been nice to me in public.

Although Anshe believes that I am part of some gang that is out to get her (I'm not, seriously, I have no gang, I am just a hermit) she doesn't take that perceived personal attack and use it as an excuse to attack me.

With her perserverence, I whole-heartedly believe she will achieve her goals.

Go Anshe! May you have all the success in the World!

minimum turnaround time for one, anyone actually wanting to use the land shouldn't have a problem with that.

another one would be the ability to track transaction data better, such as see the seller in the in world land search engine

the ability to bid on auction sims through an in-world interface would help newer players have access to the auction in a way that is rather straightforeward, reporting the current price, time to auction completion, as part of the parcel's properties when its being auctioned.

the ability to return land sale searches within a desired land per square meter range, rather than just raw square meters, and total cost as search inputs

The ability to be givin notifications if land touching one of your existing plots has gone for sale or auction, and possibly be given priority in some way... *DOUBLY* so for land that is completely enclosed within a property you own.


The system should also charge listing fees honestly for land, on a weekly basis. This actually is something that is done in RL, and is done for the specific reason of weeding out 'silly' offers like people putting $100k condo's up for half a million and just leaving it there forever hoping eventually the real price will catch up.

In SL this would possibly translate as a base value multiplied by the cost per square meter. Aka the leass reasonable a price you wish to charge for land, the more its going to cost you to do it, in perpetuity.

There are several plots completely enclosed within our land, single 16sqm deals... being 'sold' for at ant above 1000 lindens per square meter, thats not good business, thats right out extortion (especially when they do things to the land to hurt the owner who wants to purchase it, such as making it a 40m straight vertical spike (this is in an older sim)

say something simple as $10 lindens per week per square meter cost.

an entire MONTH of a plot not selling at $4 per square meter would cost a whopping 40 lindens... its not gonna break the bank, but it just might actually encourage the person doing it to relist it at $3 per square meter to be more competitive.

And land extortion, and land ransoming, would become amazingly prohibitively expensive.

essentially this is something that would hurt honest people who just want to move some land very very little, and it would put a rather significant barrier to some of the worst and most nasty practices some people have.

and all of that is just some basic stream of consciousness stuff right off the top of my head. My argument is essentially that there are many things that can be done to improve the current land sales system. And *IF* properly designed, a land sales system wouldn't have any need for profiteering 'real estate agents' (which is a misnomer as you are not an agent if you are selling your own land). People should and would be able to find land easily on their own, be it for sale by another resident, or currently running through the auction system.



One of the things that really kills me about the current anshe business practices is the ripping apart of whole sims on the main continent. Whole sims are very rare.. and present some amazing oportunities for a unified group build. But groups wanting to develop the sim as a single unit, aren't able to pay as much as a land baron who is willing to carve it up to 512sqm blocks and resell it is, so alot of land with alot of real potential is essentially being irrevocably ripped to shreds and thrown as scraps to new players.

In consequence, there are only very few really ambitious builds happening on the main continent, and those of us who are trying to do so face the undesirable task of VERY slowly accumulating contiguous land and paying ever raising prices to try and re-assemble large pieces of usable land

Troll! tsk.

yup she has done a remarkable job ensuring new whole sims and large plots become pockmarked littered landscapes of disorganized and semi abandoned 512 and 1024 newbie builds and scattered plots that stay for sale for weeks at a time. and have to be painstakingly rebuilt back up by groups facing difficult odds and rising costs trying to reassemble a semi-usable area months later.

bravo

I love that house too, Kris! She's using it in an ad?! Wow, and I try so hard not to include neighboring buildings when I take my property pictures too....

Oh, this is the anti-bash thread. Okay, sorry.

Um. Anshe once reported someone to LL because he was putting up rude signs next to a piece of land and snow cabin I had for sale. She told me what he was doing wasn't right. And of course she was correct. Oddly, the rude signs were defaming Paris Parks for cheating him, but anyway... Nice of you, Anshe. Thanks.

Eggy, do you still have my tree house on your beautiful estate? Need me to set it for sale?

Why thankee

Its not finished yet, really. I plan to remedy that this weekend.

By painting it neon pink, turning every panel to 'light' and adding green particles to the roof.

Anyhoo, I really don't have any problem with people using my stuff in pics. It just ticks me off when someone uses my stuff in a pic as a selling point for their own profits and then turns round and tells me I dont do anything of value in Second Life. But I think you worked that out

Now hold on a second. Unless you are an alt, you speak from a point of view that is very inexperienced in these matters. In the not so distant past, Land Barons were hording up all of the available land, outbidding those that wanted the land to build on, so that they could greatly inflate the prices and make alot of money for themselves. Many of them acted in a very greedy, selfish and somewhat dishonedt manner. Some still do so, although the glut of available land has damped their abilities at least somewhat. Anshe and others have used decidedly dishonest methods to obtain their land, including taking advantage of newbs, bidding on and then not claiming land so that they could bid again and get it at a lower price the next time around, making neighborhoods rather undesirable so that they could buy up the land cheaply, and various other methods.

If you think greed and selfishness and lack of honor or integrity are good qualities, then I can see your point. If not..well..perhaps you should do some more research before getting up on the soap box.

There was a great passion against land barons for a reason. It wasn't simply for something to complain about...