Outrageously Offended

Well, I agree with most of what you said Aimee. However, what privacy in SL will end? I wasn't aware we had any real privacy in SL, other than chat logs and personal information. Anyone can cam into anyone else's house at will, or even spy on skyboxes. As far as I know, there is nothing in the TOS to negate this. Taco isn't displaying anything that can't be seen in public at any given moment.

I'm sure that J. Carter was considering the upskirt "artists" whatever. I am not applying my ethics to you. There are ethical "laws" which most photographers adhere to and you do not. It is not a project. Anyone can zoom a camera between the legs of an avatar. You are not an artist or photographer you are a hack. If this is supposed to "expose" something please explain what your purpose is and maybe after you get the permission of those you have portrayed in a slanted light I will consider your "gallery" a commentary to whatever it is you think you are commenting on.

And by the way I do not fear making you angry. So no I do not rub against the grain of the quote I chose to use.

* unreasonable intrusion into the seclusion of another, ( you did this)
* public disclosure of private facts, (this one is debatable...as you disclose that which is not in plain view and those who created it may not want it to be in a pictoral review)
* placing a person in a false light in the public eye, and
* misappropriation of a name or likeness for commercial gain (Strongman, 1987). (and here I do believe that you are getting dwell from anyone who views the pics on your property...and if they are for sale you are doubly wrong in your assumption that you are working within the bounds of universal ethics.)<clip>

And once again I do not take photos with out everyone involved being aware of the photo and recieving a copy if they want one. So in that you are incorrect. I think I have a total of 10 photos of avatars other than myself.

Awwww Pen...meh loves you. *hugz & licks*

Quick question and I think someone asked it already...this are SL pics, right? If so...my god why so pissy about some avatars genitalia if ppl don't even know who it is? It is just an AVATAR. It's not like they are *excuse my language* pussy shots of a real human female.

*awaits to probably get flamed*

Yeah, that didn't quite come out right. I was trying to make the point that probably most of the people who DO that are not female in RL... and that many of Taco's volunteers are probably men looking for kicks.

Enh, Taco's just trying to get a rise out of y'all, and he's succeeding famously. It does raise some interesting issues, however.

For those of you who know latin - read this aloud: semper ubi sub ubi.

Regards,

-Flip

LOL that would be telling. It's right in front of you, silly.

Ohh come on Pen you know what I mean. This is a bit beyond taking photos in an open area of what can be seen from "normal" camera angles. And you are not advertising your photos on the forum so that folks will dwell on your land either.

Again, you've made a HUGE assumption. I"m not advertising to people will dwell on my land. You don't what i'm doing at all, and also, you'e name called me 3 times, so I'm not going to respond to you anymore.

What the SL engine makes physically possible is not the same as what is within TOS. Yes you CAN zoom in and watch people have sex in SL because Prims do not (yet) have a privacy toggle that would prevent it. It's also pretty much impossible for the Lindens to enforce the privacy of others on a regulatory basis (they dont know where you are zooming!)...again I don't consider this a green light. However when you take pics and display them, you have basically confessed to comitting what would have been the perfect crime.

OH, and for the record, it IS against TOS. A Linden was consulted and confirmed this. One of the girls in the photos need only file an abuse complaint and it's all over.

-aimee

I know Isis, and I'm guilty as charged. I have taken some pretty risque(sp) pictures in my time (see my post before this last one). I just find beauty and facination in a lot of things, including things that others may find lewd or crude. And I am certain if I went through my hundreds and hundreds of snapshots, I could find some pictures that if I put up for you to see, you would be saying the same things to me. My snapshots range from G to XXX and while I prefer down the shirt to up the skirt pictures, I'm sure a lot of the same arguments I"m seeing here could be applied to me. So I am sorry as I truely never meant to hurt or offend anyone by taking my pictures. I honestly never gave it much thought till this thread.

The only thing that doesn't apply to me, you are right, is that I did not talk about them on the forums and try to get people to come see them.

Has anyone here actually visited this place? It seems everyone is bitching about it and giving their opinion, before seeing it.

So the Lindens are saying that taking a picture that includes a crotchshot and displaying it for the public, without consent of the subject, is against the TOS? Hmm..I'd like to see where it states that, and I think that will open up a whole new realm of abuse reports for folks that will make public snapshots a bit worrisome. I know I've taken pictures of folks sitting on benches and could see panties easily.

Yes. I watched the whole cycle which is how I recognized that my friends where on display.

True this mentality does exist in RL. We are not talking about a RL situation here and I think that there is a very big difference between an Avatar and a human being. The only possible exploitation that I can see here is Copyright as Mistress Midnight pointed out.

In terms of Copyright - who is the offended party? The owner of the Avatar or the creator of the Vagina?

From a community perspective - it is obvious that the considerate thing to do would be to ask the permission of the Avatar. However, does that request also need to be extended to the creator as well as the owner of the vagina being photographed?

Last but probably more importantly, does photography constitute a violation of Copyright?

Yes, I have seen it.

I pasted the section of the TOS in an earlier post. There is a lot of Linden discretion involved. Again, having Taco get permission before putting an upskirt image on display is NOT going to usher in an age of creative opression.

-aimee

Ohh what genius. You are on the cunting edge now arn't ya Taco. Get us all together to defend our pixel panties from your roving camera lens. Now I do feel silly. Thank you so much for shedding the lens flare on my obvious naiveté.

Dare I ask how you can tell who your friends are by seeing upskirt shots? What have YOU been doing with your camera?

-Flip

yep.

Permission from WHO Aimee? The creator of the Avatars skirt? The creator of the Avatars vagina? The creator of the Avatars skin? All of them?

Or just the Avatar? And if the Avatar gives permission can said Avatar be abuse reported for giving someone permission to photograph them wearing clothing and attachments that someone else created because the creator is offended that their creations were photographed?

Just how far should this extend?

[QUOTE OH, and for the record, it IS against TOS. A Linden was consulted and confirmed this. One of the girls in the photos need only file an abuse complaint and it's all over.

-aimee[/QUOTE]

Well that condridicts what I was told last night. I've not received any email from them, so I guess they'll have to hash out their policy.

OMG....you ppl are serious...you are really pissed about an avatar crotch shot. It's just a f****n' AVATAR. I could understand if it had happened in RL. But jebus...SL???? The things that piss ppl off.....and I guess my question is how does morality even enter into this subject? BTW...It's just crotch shots of AV's.

Yup - much ado about Barbie.

*pinch*

Seems silly to me as well.

Just the avatar.

And how far will it extend? As far as the Lindens think is reasonable. This means no disasterous slippery slope in either direction.

-aimee