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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
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12-17-2004 08:55
*Puts on a Skirt* Here ya go.
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
Join date: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,920
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12-17-2004 08:57
You know, I actually thought the same thing last night  Honestly, I still don't see any logical argument against this whatsoever. If the Lindens want to take away cameras and also disable screenshots, they can; if they want to make panties and vaginas not visible, they can do that too (now i'm wondering if they'll outlaw skirts on the teen grid...) but I don't think it's any more an invasion of privacy than taking a picture of a wooden block somebody made. It's an object, I'm using SL tools to take a picture of it, and then I'm displaying it. What's the part I'm missing? I got a lot of angry IMs, but nobody has been able to argue anything beyond "it's my body" (to which I've asked "is it different if i take a picture of your face"?) or "it's bad!" (to which I point out it's in a mature area, and there are REAL LIFE pornography pictures throught the mature sims). Anybody got a coherentish argument against it, for my edimification? Taco Rubio Agent of Satan I don't know about a coherent argument. However, maybe if you had clarified in your original post if the pics were RL or SL? _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
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12-17-2004 09:00
I talked to Taco at length about this last night. I don't think anybody would consider me a prude, so the sexual nature of this exhibit is more or less a detail. My only issue was the non-consent and refusal to inform the subjects. Taco's answer to this was that if the subjects somehow find out they are in this show and ask him to take the image down, he will. I think he is missing the point.
Taco feels that he is courageously taking on social norms with this exhibit. Courageously...with crotch photos of the unaware. Couldn't he have put HIMSELF in some kind of humiliating role in the name of his social statement? One simple IM to the subjects could add legitimacy to this project, but he refuses. Sorry Taco. I am SO not impressed. -aimee |
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
Posts: 3,349
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12-17-2004 09:10
Weee! Here we go!
I don't think anybody would consider me a prude, so the sexual nature of this exhibit is more or less a detail. I do. My only issue was the non-consent and refusal to inform the subjects. I am not required in any way to request or obtain consent. Consent to take/reproduce pictures has not been established as a part of TOS, and if it were to be, about 99% of the slideshows in SL would have to be taken down. Taco's answer to this was that if the subjects somehow find out they are in this show and ask him to take the image down, he will. I think he is missing the point. You haven't told me the point, unless its that you feel I need some consent that you are not applying to anybody else in SL? Taco feels that he is courageously taking on social norms with this exhibit. Courageously...with crotch photos of the unaware. Couldn't he have put HIMSELF in some kind of humiliating role in the name of his social statement? I do constantly. There is a picture with my wingwang out in the article. I did not give consent for it to be taken or published, and I couldn't give a whit that it was. One simple IM to the subjects could add legitimacy to this project, but he refuses. Sorry Taco. I am SO not impressed. I'm filing this whole thing under the "it's bad" category. Don't shove your morality down my throat, Aimee. -aimee[/QUOTE] |
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Artillo Fredericks
Friendly Orange Demon
Join date: 1 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,327
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12-17-2004 09:10
In SL toy can take pictures of whatever you want, whenever you want. If it's in the world, it's fair game, panties or no panties. I'm certainly not gonna ask if I can take a photo ANYWHERE in SL... it's a freely available tool and I'm gonna use it when and where I see fit. People can be as offended as they like if I choose to post a pic, but if "offensive" pictures are in a mature build, then there's really nothing you can do about it, especially if there is no way to tell exactly WHO it is in the picture.
Would it really matter what part(s) of the virtual anatomy was snapshotted? IMO no, because as a general rule, someone somewhere is gonna be offended if I have a collection of SL ear shots, butt shots, whatever. Big whoop. Get over it, we are not Puritans. If you don't like what ya see in some mature area, tough noogies. Just fly away!  My 2 cents, Arti _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-17-2004 09:15
Ok Taco. If the fact that you are just being mean to these girls isn't a coherent arguement, then maybe this one from the TOS is:
you agree that you shall not: (iv) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content as determined by Linden at its sole discretion that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, causes tort, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; The important words are "vulgar", "invasive of another's privacy" and "otherwise objectionable" but the most important phrase is: "Determined by Linden at its sole discretion" If you got a lot of angry IMs this arguement will soon be moot. -aimee |
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
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12-17-2004 09:16
*Trademarks his Avitar*
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
Posts: 3,349
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12-17-2004 09:23
Ok Taco. If the fact that you are just being mean to these girls isn't a coherent arguement, then maybe this one from the TOS is. you agree that you shall not: (iv) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content as determined by Linden at its sole discretion that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, causes tort, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; The important words are "vulgar", "invasive of another's privacy" and "otherwise objectionable" but the most important phrase is: "Determined by Linden at its sole discretion" If you got a lot of angry IM this arguement will soon be moot. -aimee You just don't get it, Aimee. You start off with the comment that i'm being "mean"....I JUST asked that you not shove your morality down my throat. Then you pick out what YOU feel are the applicable phrases: "vulgar", "invasive of another's privacy" and "otherwise objectionable".....passing over obscene, libelous, and hateful....once again YOU are applying morality as YOU see it to MY project. I pray that the Lindens are (and it has been my experience that they are) tolerant of this exhibit. The Lindens I've shown it to have been amused by it, and I hope that this will continue. If they decide to take it down, so be it. I do apreciate you being the stalwart defender of cartoon panty rightousness though. It's a good cause and I'm glad you took it up. |
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FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
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12-17-2004 09:24
I really miss my laptop.
I leave for two days and Taco goes off the deep end again!  I really miss his AFK event contests, though.And Aimee - admit it! - we all know you're a prude. -Flip _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-17-2004 09:26
I really miss my laptop. I leave for two days and Taco goes off the deep end again! I really miss his AFK event contests, though.And Aimee - admit it! - we all know you're a prude. -Flip LOL!! Yes. A librarian at heart  -aimee |
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
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12-17-2004 09:28
*Wonders what would happen if he took pictures up under Barbie Doll skirts without permission*
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
Posts: 3,349
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12-17-2004 09:29
*Wonders what would happen if he took pictures up under Barbie Doll skirts without permission* lol |
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
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12-17-2004 09:35
You just don't get it, Aimee. You start off with the comment that i'm being "mean"....I JUST asked that you not shove your morality down my throat. Then you pick out what YOU feel are the applicable phrases: "vulgar", "invasive of another's privacy" and "otherwise objectionable".....passing over obscene, libelous, and hateful....once again YOU are applying morality as YOU see it to MY project. I pray that the Lindens are (and it has been my experience that they are) tolerant of this exhibit. The Lindens I've shown it to have been amused by it, and I hope that this will continue. If they decide to take it down, so be it. I do apreciate you being the stalwart defender of cartoon panty rightousness though. It's a good cause and I'm glad you took it up. I guess you are no longer in love with me It would seem you are a MUCH different person than I thought you were, and by the sounds of it, I am not the person you thought I was. Time to agree to disagree. This is in the hands of the Lindens now. -aimee |
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
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12-17-2004 09:36
*Wonders what would happen if Taco took a picture up under a Lindens Skirt*
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
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12-17-2004 09:38
*Wonders what would happen if Taco took a picture up under a Lindens Skirt* gawd is watching _____________________
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
Posts: 3,349
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12-17-2004 09:44
I guess you are no longer in love with me It would seem you are a MUCH different person than I thought you were, and by the sounds of it, I am not the person you thought I was. Time to agree to disagree. This is in the hands of the Lindens now. -aimee I think it's fair to say we disagree, and that I'm no longer in love with you  I'll try to remember to run any future projects through the Church of Aimee for your stamp of moral and political correctness, prior to development. |
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-17-2004 09:45
I think it's fair to say we disagree, and that I'm no longer in love with you I'll try to remember to run any future projects through the Church of Aimee for your stamp of moral and political correctness, prior to development. LOL!! |
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
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12-17-2004 09:46
*Wonders what would happen if Taco took a picture up under a Lindens Skirt* well, when i did several months ago, and sent it to her, she laughed a lot. |
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
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12-17-2004 09:53
well, when i did several months ago, and sent it to her, she laughed a lot. Now post it. _____________________
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
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12-17-2004 09:58
You know, I actually thought the same thing last night Honestly, I still don't see any logical argument against this whatsoever. If the Lindens want to take away cameras and also disable screenshots, they can; if they want to make panties and vaginas not visible, they can do that too (now i'm wondering if they'll outlaw skirts on the teen grid...) but I don't think it's any more an invasion of privacy than taking a picture of a wooden block somebody made. It's an object, I'm using SL tools to take a picture of it, and then I'm displaying it. (snip) Then why didn't you make a museum of wooden blocks, if it's the same thing? _____________________
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Mistress Midnight
pfft!!
Join date: 13 May 2003
Posts: 346
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12-17-2004 10:04
Well, I'm hardly a prude, but I do have family that plays this game too. I would preffer to keep my exposure to a minimun on nudity. I have had nude photos taken, and I have had complete control over distribution, and it was always tasteful.
Just because someone puts the time into a photo-realistic looking AV doesn't mean it's fair game for you to exploit. That just makes me really sad. I thought taco was always pretty cool, I guess it's just an attention thing. _____________________
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
Posts: 3,349
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12-17-2004 10:09
Then why didn't you make a museum of wooden blocks, if it's the same thing? You know, that's not a bad idea at all..... |
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Lynn Lippmann
Toe Jammer
Join date: 12 Jun 2003
Posts: 793
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12-17-2004 10:09
*WAIT*
Wasn't Grimmy Moonflower banned for taking an upskirt shot of Pituca's AV and displaying it? *sighs* And now it's Linden-sanctioned. _____________________
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 but what about the TOES? Toe the line Linden's! Toes for the Toeless! |
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
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12-17-2004 10:13
Well, I'm hardly a prude, but I do have family that plays this game too. I would preffer to keep my exposure to a minimun on nudity. I have had nude photos taken, and I have had complete control over distribution, and it was always tasteful. First and foremost, I am pretty cool. When you say you have nude photos that you have complete control over, distribution wise, do you know why? It's because you don't walk around naked in SL at which point anyone could snap a picture of you nude. A ***REALLY*** good way to make sure you don't have a picture of your vagina taken while in a skirt is to make sure you don't go out in public in SL with a skirt and vagina on. this part I don't get at all: Just because someone puts the time into a photo-realistic looking AV doesn't mean it's fair game for you to exploit. Well you're applying "exploit" to this, which I don't know I'm doing. I've made 2 linden dollars so far. The part I'm not getting though, is the part where you think that if you build an AV, it's unfair if I photograph it in game. Why aren't you going after everyone who's taken a snapshot of another person in game? Oh yeah, it's personal morality being applied to my project again. |
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-17-2004 10:17
*WAIT* Wasn't Grimmy Moonflower banned for taking an upskirt shot of Pituca's AV and displaying it? *sighs* And now it's Linden-sanctioned. Has it been Linden sanctioned? Any Lindens want to weigh in on this issue? If a Linden tells me I am being an uptight old bitty for advocating consent before displaying these images, I am totally prepared to shut up and eat crow. -aimee |