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Samuel Biggles
So Shallow Sam
Join date: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 54
01-16-2005 11:45
From: billy Madison
So its the sympathy you want? Ok let me try to make you happy. FUCK YOU TORELY! HELLO SAMMY SAM MY NEW FOUND FRIEND IM SORRY YOU HAVE AUTISM WOULD YOU LIKE A HUG?

If you are trying to hug me don't when people touch me i bite them. If you were being a liar it is ok, but it is probably none of your business, i find your statements illogical.
Charlotte Gillespie
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Join date: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,101
01-16-2005 11:46
From: Samuel Biggles
"It's completely unnatural and prejudiced, and those who make such statements should learn more about my background first, or work with people with disabilities and conditions --"
The implication is that people should learn about a disability, but in fact you have no disability because i have what you have, and i know that it is not a disability and take offense to the implication i do. Also, as you have no disability you have lied so you have done wrong. Pretending you are disabled is also illegal.


1. I've never been interviewed by SL Universe.
2. I've never called you disabled.
3. I've never pretended to be disabled.

Please - just go away.
billy Madison
www.SLAuctions.com
Join date: 6 Jun 2004
Posts: 2,175
01-16-2005 11:46
From: Roberta Dalek
Erm - why are you all being so hostile to this guy? ffs guys.

because he is trying to tarnish the image of a outstanding person.
Samuel Biggles
So Shallow Sam
Join date: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 54
01-16-2005 11:47
From: Willow Zander
My parents BOTH work with autistic children, and they all express themselves in different ways, this thread is utter bollocks and the sooner they lock it the better.

They express themselves in different ways of course, they are not the same, but they also all share a common disability and also have restrictions which would stop them doing 90% of the things they do. Having AUTISM and having AN AUTISTIC SPECTRUM DISORDER are entirely different and it is misleading to believe Torley has Autism, she does not, this is now apparent.
Charlotte Gillespie
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01-16-2005 11:47
From: Willow Zander
My parents BOTH work with autistic children, and they all express themselves in different ways, this thread is utter bollocks and the sooner they lock it the better.


I agree. My mum's the area SENCO for a city council in the Midlands, and I've read rather a lot on this subject. There is no textbook case of autism - just like the rest of the population, those with autistic spectrum diagnoses are all completely different from one another.
billy Madison
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01-16-2005 11:47
From: Samuel Biggles
If you are trying to hug me don't when people touch me i bite them. If you were being a liar it is ok, but it is probably none of your business, i find your statements illogical.



You know it takes alot to get me worked up. But i think you have done a good job. Will a simple FUCK YOU suffice?
Samuel Biggles
So Shallow Sam
Join date: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 54
01-16-2005 11:48
From: Charlotte Gillespie
1. I've never been interviewed by SL Universe.
2. I've never called you disabled.
3. I've never pretended to be disabled.

Please - just go away.

1. You weren't interviewed, it was a transcript, that is correct
2. Yes, you called me and all autistic spectrum sufferers disabled
3. Every time you said you had autism you pretended to be disabled.
Willow Zander
Having Blahgasms
Join date: 22 May 2004
Posts: 9,935
01-16-2005 11:49
you know what the fuck IS offending, that you felt the need to START this damn thread?? how many ppl are gunna be offended now...

WTG!
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Samuel Biggles
So Shallow Sam
Join date: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 54
01-16-2005 11:49
From: billy Madison
You know it takes alot to get me worked up. But i think you have done a good job. Will a simple FUCK YOU suffice?

This is a post where i am not talking to you, your replies are illogical and you are either getting mad because you are stupid or because you know i am right, these are the only two logical outcomes. I suggest you review the situation.
Dingo Eldritch
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01-16-2005 11:49
Maeve Morgan
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01-16-2005 11:49
From: Samuel Biggles
1. You weren't interviewed, it was a transcript, that is correct
2. Yes, you called me and all autistic spectrum sufferers disabled
3. Every time you said you had autism you pretended to be disabled.

And he can't even remember who he's offended with
Charlotte Gillespie
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Join date: 19 Nov 2004
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01-16-2005 11:50
From: Samuel Biggles
1. You weren't interviewed, it was a transcript, that is correct
2. Yes, you called me and all autistic spectrum sufferers disabled
3. Every time you said you had autism you pretended to be disabled.


1. I've never been interviewed, nor had a transcript of a chat session posted on any website
2+3. Untrue due to 1.
Roberta Dalek
Probably trouble
Join date: 21 Oct 2004
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01-16-2005 11:50
From: billy Madison
because he is trying to tarnish the image of a outstanding person.


Oh it's hero worship. Uncritical love? Lucky Torley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism May be useful

Torley is clearly high functioning - no-one is presuming that he has an IQ<80.

"Of the most common presentations of autism, Kanner's syndrome is often described as classical autism, implying low-functioning, while Asperger's syndrome is described as a high-functioning form of autism, but this is not necessarily the case.

In the current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR), the most significant difference between Autistic Disorder (Kanner's) and Asperger's syndrome is that a diagnosis of the former includes the observation of "[d]elays or abnormal functioning in at least one of the following areas, with onset prior to age 3 years: (1) social interaction, (2) language as used in social communication, or (3) symbolic or imaginative play[,]" [2] (http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/autistic.htm) while in these areas a diagnosis of Asperger's observes "no clinically significant delay." [3] (http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/asperger.htm)

The DSM makes no mention of level of intellectual functioning, but the fact that Asperger's autistics as a group tend to perform better than those with Kanner's autism has fed the popular conception that Asperger's syndrome is synonymous with "higher functioning autism," or that it is a lesser disorder than autism. There is also a popular but not necessarily true conception that all autistic individuals with a high level of intellectual functioning have Asperger's autism or that both types are merely geeks with a medical label attached.

Autism has evolved in the public understanding, but the popular identification of autism with relatively severe cases as accurately presented in Rain Man is an encouragement for relatives of family members diagnosed in the autistic spectrum to speak of their loved ones as having Asperger's syndrome rather than autism."
Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
01-16-2005 11:50
From: Samuel Biggles
Just browsing the posts by a certain Torley have given me a kindof "I'M AUTISTIC LOOK AT ME" vibe. Now, firstly, she can't be autistic as the way she is using the word implies, because an autistic person is not capable of the kind of interaction she is displaying, to call yourself "Autistic" puts you to the low functioning (bad) end of the scale.

High functioning
(Asperger's syndrome and such like)
Low functioning
(This is called autism, and you say you "have autism";)
Someone with an autistic spectrum disorder who could be called autistic WOULD NOT be on a social game like secondlife, and would definatly not be displaying the extreme level of social awareness and motivation Torley appears to have. You must be low functioning to say "i have autism, and if you're low functioning it's highly unlikely you'll say that, because if you've ever met a person with it you'll know.
I took offense to the fact she referred to it as a "disibility". Low functioning Autism is a disability, and there is no way she has it, it is illogical as she displays non of the symptoms.
Now, where i am going with this is that telling people you're "autistic" when in fact you have "an autistic spectrum disorder" is an extremely mis-leading and wrong thing to do. I know because i have Asperger's Syndrome, and i have never felt the need to mention it to anyone, ever, nor would i want to, and i am definatly NOT autistic.
Also another thing which bugged me is the fact Torley said in her SL universe interview that she found it hard to explain things without emoticons, well, anyone with anything that could be called Autism is about as likely to understand meaningless horseshit like :confused: :( :eek: as i am ready to stop trying to make women like and accept star wars.
So, i just want to advise Torley to tone it down and stop giving mis-leading information about being "Autistic", because i know a consider amount about autism, having an ASD myself, and i know that it is terribly mis-leading to introduce yourself as Autistic, because calling yourself Autistic is telling people you have an illness which you do not have, and this is a lie so it is wrong. I also feel that with every post and comment Torley makes about autism, a little more ignorance is put into circulation and social standards which i nor any of the people with ATDs i know are erected which we cannot stand up to.
Music makes my ears hurt and shakes my brain so i don't like that either. And flame me if you wish, because i'll probably never read this post again.



Weren't you perma banned dumbass?
billy Madison
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Join date: 6 Jun 2004
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01-16-2005 11:50
From: Samuel Biggles
This is a post where i am not talking to you, your replies are illogical and you are either getting mad because you are stupid or because you know i am right, these are the only two logical outcomes. I suggest you review the situation.


I suggest you figure out why you want to bash torely why why why? think about it. You have no reason.
Charlotte Gillespie
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Join date: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,101
01-16-2005 11:51
From: Talen Morgan
Weren't you perma banned dumbass?


If he wasn't, he should be for a) misrepresenting me, b) misrepresenting Miss Torgeson, c) posting bigoted drivel
Jillian Callahan
Rotary-winged Neko Girl
Join date: 24 Jun 2004
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01-16-2005 11:53
From: Samuel Biggles
Having AUTISM and having AN AUTISTIC SPECTRUM DISORDER are entirely different
Entirely different? Pallie, that's not what the DSM IV (299.80) suggests.
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Willow Zander
Having Blahgasms
Join date: 22 May 2004
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01-16-2005 11:54
I befriended samuel in world, when he was a noob, and he unfairly slagged me off too, calling me all sorts of things to a friend of mine... and NO I am not a bitch :p and everyone that knows me knows so!.... therfore I do believe, its just the sad lil thing he does :rolleyes:
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Samuel Biggles
So Shallow Sam
Join date: 17 Aug 2004
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01-16-2005 11:54
From: Charlotte Gillespie
If he wasn't, he should be for a) misrepresenting me, b) misrepresenting Miss Torgeson, c) posting bigoted drivel

There is no bigotry, the fact is that i take offense to Torley saying "i have autism" and "my autism" and "i am very open about having autism" and basically saying "I HAVE FUCKING AUTISM EVERYONE COME AND BE MY FRIEND". She didn't really say this. People with autism and asperger's syndrome are like me, the ones you are shouting at, Torley does not even have Asperger's syndrome, http://www.sluniverse.com/language/ is where the interview is posted, compare her to me, you'll know who has a spectrum disorder just by knowing both of us.
billy Madison
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01-16-2005 11:56
From: Willow Zander
I befriended samuel in world, when he was a noob, and he unfairly slagged me off too, calling me all sorts of things to a friend of mine... and NO I am not a bitch :p and everyone that knows me knows so!.... therfore I do believe, its just the sad lil thing he does :rolleyes:



lol you are a bitch thats why i love you. You tell it like it is but dont hurt peoples feelings doing it =)
Charlotte Gillespie
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Join date: 19 Nov 2004
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01-16-2005 11:57
From: Samuel Biggles
There is no bigotry, the fact is that i take offense to Torley saying "i have autism" and "my autism" and "i am very open about having autism" and basically saying "I HAVE FUCKING AUTISM EVERYONE COME AND BE MY FRIEND". She didn't really say this. People with autism and asperger's syndrome are like me, the ones you are shouting at, Torley does not even have Asperger's syndrome, http://www.sluniverse.com/language/ is where the interview is posted, compare her to me, you'll know who has a spectrum disorder just by knowing both of us.


At least you can tell the difference between me and Torley now. Good lad. Torley's the one who never says fuck off.

Anyway, I'd love for you to tell me how you know Torley better than she knows herself.
Samuel Biggles
So Shallow Sam
Join date: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 54
01-16-2005 11:57
From: Jillian Callahan
Entirely different? Pallie, that's not what the DSM IV (299.80) suggests.

Let me give you an example as you are uninformed and probably too unintelligent to understand what you pointed me too.
A person with Autism, 40 years old, could believe they are 14 and still want to have a girlfriend and play on the swings.
A person with Asperger's Syndrome, 40 years old, could be a rocket scientist with a family and a beautiful big house.
Saying "i have autism" implies you are a person with a serious disability". Having a spectrum disorder may not even be noticable. The truth is, Torley uses it as a BE MY FRIEND card. There is no such thing as a BE MY FRIEND card, it is a metaphor or something.
Samuel Biggles
So Shallow Sam
Join date: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 54
01-16-2005 11:58
From: Charlotte Gillespie
At least you can tell the difference between me and Torley now. Good lad. Torley's the one who never says fuck off.

Anyway, I'd love for you to tell me how you know Torley better than she knows herself.


:(
Charlotte Gillespie
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01-16-2005 11:58
From: Samuel Biggles
Let me give you an example as you are uninformed and probably too unintelligent to understand what you pointed me too.
A person with Autism, 40 years old, could believe they are 14 and still want to have a girlfriend and play on the swings.
A person with Asperger's Syndrome, 40 years old, could be a rocket scientist with a familt and a beautiful big house.
Saying "i have autism" implies you are a person with a serious disability". Having a spectrum disorder may not even be noticable. The truth is, Torley uses it as a BE MY FRIEND card. There is no such thing as a BE MY FRIEND card, it is a metaphor or something.


Torley makes friends because she's lovely. Torley has the right to describe herself as she sees fit. You do not have the right to tell people what they should and shouldn't describe themselves as.
Willow Zander
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01-16-2005 11:59
So Shallow Sam... about says it all...

Sam I thought you were a bit deluded but MAN you've lost it with this thread
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