Banned for no reason, and no support

Since when is someone able to get banned for shooting someone on UNSAFE land? Seems like someone has a little pull with the Lindens, or they starting to slack off cause if they even looked GNO ILAND is NOT safe. And I was banned for shooting on there

Well in my opinion, setting land to 'unsafe' and giving permission to be fired upon are not one and the same thing.

there's a lesson to be learned in this somewhere.......

If someone shoots me, and I'm still standing there for some reason, I won't hesitate to send his ass flying. I popped someone today in Island Sandbox around cleanup time because he thought it was funny to hit me.

Do not think of unsafe land (damage on) as a place where consent is assumed or you are going to get suspended. Turning damage on for a parcel of land is a feature for allowing wargaming but all TOS and CS rules still apply. You will find certain sims like Jesse have been designated with relaxed rules when it comes to wargames. You may be more comfortable there.

I had a friend banned for shooting back and people who shot at him first. I think some "Self Defense" rules need to apply -- as should the ability to declare land literally unsafe. Perhaps having some lawless sims would be cool -- but I'm not exactly sure how well that would go over. All I know is that I should never be banned for taking some out who has been aggressive/ghosted a friend.

It's far more effective to simply report that person. If their behavior is actually unwelcome then shooting back is more likely to encourage them to continue and move on to other targets. Better to file an abuse complaint so the individual can be taken out of play, sparing innocent folks from the menace.

If on the other hand you are not completely opposed to taking the matter to fisticuffs, then I suggest adjourning to Jesse where you can lay the smackdown on their ass in the name of justice! And without fear of Linden action.

see funny thing is i know who did the banning and i know he must be good friends cause all he did was "shooting eh?" and i said it was accident and besides its "damage on" and he just ported off so i know its a little something something. ANd watch just me for posting this will probolly get banned but im sick of this. Still even no responce from the week old emails ive sent out about this. In game either "no one is able to handle this" but yet, they able to ban yet not unban? like come on. Plus im from Canada so theres no way I can call the support cause its US only. im so sick of this.

i argee man. its boges in the xtreem and sumtin needs to be done about it! jus da other day i wuz like standni around with my gunz and just minding my bisness but then sum body got all up in my face n they were like why r you so young and stuff, an i wuz like this isnt kewl! ya know?

so........was it? or is that just one of those meaningless apologetic noises people make to get people off their back like "jeez sorry" or "what are you crying about i'm the one who's in trouble"?

must....give.....Ardith.....all my......money. wait that's the wrong subliminal message.

Well.. as you know there for awhile my sim was a combat zone with war game events.. I had to get approval from the lindens.. post signs all over the sim border saying people are entering a combat area and that they are leaving one and i was told when i first asked that to turn an area into a combat area for war games that it had to be a decent sized peice of property with the signs and properly named.. i dunno if same rules still apply

whee! it's the beginnings of a good story, i guess. It has elements of Linden favoritism and conspiracy, fetid island owners getting what they want by snapping their fingers, much maligned poor innocent shooters and a public protestation of unfairness.

I suggest you add a bit more drama, though. Or bring in some alts to support your position.

Anyhoo, if anyone cares, my opinion and reaction would pretty much be the same; my having land set to damage means I want you to die when you act like a fscking noob while flying/landing, not that I want you to cap me in the ass. I'd have abuse reported you. To my pocket pet Linden, obviously.

I hate ARing people. I accept a level of griefing as a part of the game -- infact I generally welcome it(a level of). I have always felt that contrast and conflict are very important for any enjoyable experience outside of Tetris.

I really think that in any PVP abuse report should check for PVP actions by the reporter onto the victim(assuming SL can log this and if not should). I'd rather pull out a gun, cap them and go on with life. I prefer to save ARs for people who don't drop it. Come by and pushgun me around once -- yeah, OK. Maybe even twice or three times is OK in my book if you're being semi sporting about it. But I tend to be more tolerant about most things in SL from a rules standpoint.

And come on, Jessie just sucks.

I dunno, considering my SL dream has always been to commit acts of air piracy from a 1940s style zeppelin, I have always wanted more laxed PvP rules for outside of the combat sim. I'd kinda like to see bad things being skillfully and tastefully executed.

But in large the community doesn't want their fun spoiled and I suppose thats understandable. The user age in SL seems quite high, while I my self am somewhat young in that respect. A lot of people just want to hop in, go to a party and not have anything disrupt that. I love conflict, personally. Life has never been able to stress me out or excite me at it's worst and busiest unless a woman has been involved. Sure, Linden Labs gives us Jessie and Rausch -- but no one there has any sense of fairness or style.

So basically when someone welcomes combat either by starting or by setting their land to damage(if you wanna kill bastards on your land, set it to damage before they kill you) I don't think they should be able to turn around and say "WHOOPS! YOU'RE WINNING! I SHALL AR YOU AS AN ACT OF ASSHATITUDE!"

I think Linden Labs should say "You started it" and tell them to shut their trap.

Oh well, I can always shoot Ben Linden.

Sound familiar?

LOL! very

Now where's my free money?!

You should feel lucky that they haven't discovered that you are a minor yet. When they do the ban will become permanent.

It's not as easy as it looks to do that..is it?!!

Great job Ardith!

go play CounterStrike

I love 'Banned for no reason' kind of threads. They're like crackerjack, you eat your way through all the tasty posts, and *blammo*! You get a prize! As in, you find out what they did, and they end up totally deserving it.

*sigh*

Good times.

oh really? look at the "police blog" thing, look for GNO ILAND and ull see assault scripted objects banned 2 weeks and GNO ILAND is DAMAGE on, kthx

and its funny they can delete my posts about lindens having friends and them doing favors for them but they cant look into this unfair suspension. hmmmm

I understand the Lindens have an ongoing bias in favor of cooporative, productive, and respectful residents that follow the TOS/CS. They ALSO unfairly persecute disruptive, immature, venomous people. Such favoritism! Fight the power Presidium.

Aimee Aimee Aimee hun, what ever are we gonna do with you your not suppose to tell them to go beat their heads on a rock wall. I mean I know you Love WWF smack down and all but them bloodying their own foreheads just isnt the same thing...They gotta get slammed down to get the blood out not self inflicted ...LMAO


Shadow

I'm mostly in it for the pre-fight posturing. Bonus points if they rip their shirt off.

There is a warning in SL that explicitly states that if you see the heart icon, be careful, you can be damaged. It is a Tip of the Day. <edit> And has been around since I can remember, without any contingencies.

People can say what they want about the "intent" of this message, but to me, it's clear. And I don't know any section of the TOS that explicitly lays out rules of the "must be consensual" for damage enabled land anywhere on the grid. By explicitly I mean actually clearly states the fact, not a sited passage that "likely applies" (saying, "The TOS Applies" has become the standard knee jerk for anything that displeases the eye or upsets many notions of "what SL is meant to be".

If you don't want to be damaged, turn damage off or leave the area. It's no good for games anyway since anybody can make a 1-shot-1-kill gun effortlessly. If steps are taken to control those weapons, then the shooter will require one of those weapons, negating possibility of the crime (if proper script controls are in place, like a "gun registry" for the land, which is something I actually use under the hood at the Vorago).

Jessie was different only because there was no safe land, and never would be, because damage is perma enabled. Even the land owner can't (or couldn't) change that. And I remember people complaining about that (I bought land in Jessie and got attacked I can't believe it!). Ah...NOW you know why it was so cheap.

If you were banned for shooting somebody on damage enabled land, I'd say, shame on ye Lindens for confusing us. After reading that warning, I would expect a firefight anytime I crossed such a boundary.

However, that is, IF you were banned SOLELY for shooting somebody fair and square on damage enabled land. Not from over the border so you yourself could not be attacked, and not repetitively after being asked to stop (even though I would then say it is incumbent on the person that doesn't want to get shot to get to safe ground or ask the owner to disable damage and/or ban the shooter).

This is a very, very old debate. For my part, if I enable damage on my land, I know what I'm getting into and expect it, and I'm not going to hold people responsible for taking advantage of it.

This is exactly why I built a weapons system that in no way requires "real" damage.