SA Link?

HOW COME YOU CAN STILL NOT SPELL MY NAME WHEN IT IS RIGHT THERE ?????

When we refer to "goons", we are refering to, specificly, the SA Goons group in game. More specificly, the ones who act like, well... goons.

As for if the entire group is out their griefing, no, probably not. But enough are to give the group a pretty sour reputation. I've had to deal with them on plots I own, I've seen the horrors of Darkwood and Cordova... Heck, I was in Cordova last night while a veritable flock of them were there.

If you can't see why we are a bit sour to the group as a whole, perhaps you really don't realize the amount of your members that are acting like, as I said, goons. Believe me when I say, I have not *personally* ran into any that I feel don't fit the label the entire group has been branded with. Are they out there? Yes, sure. But they seem to be a very silent faction.




To an extent, yes. To make a more apt analogy, lets say you visited, oh, Japan, with a group of friends. As soon as you get there, some of your friends start spitting on shrines, taunting people, being disruptive, insulting the way people do things, calling the people perverts, etc. Now, lets say you don't share these sentiments, and actually want to be in Japan because you like it there. Wouldn't it make some sense to distance yourself from these people? Maybe make some show of dissasosiating yourself from them?



This is what we are saying. The majority of the SA Goons group seems to fall in this catagory, and these are the people we have the problems with. Put it this way, if there are, as you say, people who like this game and want to stay here, why are they staying grouped with people to whom their entire reason for being here, by your own admission, is to cause problems?



Fun fact: If you meet the average Furry in day to day life, there is little or no difference between him and anyone else, including in how they react to being a victim of crap like this. If anything, we probably have a slightly thicker skin... It's been going on for a long time now, we are to an extent used to it. The SA Goons are being particularly obnoxious about it, however.

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What's CS?
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Counter Strike?

See http://www.counter-strike.net/

CounterStrike
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Sorry, didnt mean to hijack. This topic has strayed a great deal, my apologies. Sort of got caught up in conversational posting, a couple of us were responding almost immediately after another.

BTW, yes its Counter-Strike. The topic had actually already strayed. I just brought up CS cause it has a lot of griefers and my particular server does not deal with them, just like SL does not tolerate griefers.

Anyway, my apologies, back to whatever we are talking about in this thread

I imagine SA has their bad apples just like any other random collection of people.

If a couple of them want to go around being judgmental and saying hateful things to people, well they will suffer the same consequences people like that do in RL.

Any kind of misbehavior by someone affiliated with SA will typically reflect poorly on SA in a lot of people's eyes. Every other group in the world has had to deal with this and so will any kind of SA organization here.

One thing I really like about SL is the high degree of freedom everyone has here. Naturally, because I like the idea of this freedom it irks me to see people condemning others. Personally I am a bit more sensitive to this seeing the current political climate’s love of censoring things in the name of morality. Geez… If I wanted to live in a theocracy, I would move. I would much rather see something I don’t like than having someone else arbitrarily deciding what freedoms to take away.

I think aside from a few unpleasant people, having some people who all happen to enjoy SA should be good for SL.

Racism is beginning to rear its ugly head in SL.... Furries are just like anyone else in this game. There is no reason to hurt people becasue their different! I do not like this behavior, and i am going to watch over any furry i see being mal treated. I do not mean stupid things like maybe shooting, but i mean the truly nasty things you guys can do.

If you ask me this will probably be another griefer war like the GL's vs the WW2 guys. I've been to both sides and have some nice ppl inside, but some are nuts! I say prepare for war furries, this is going to be a strange one....

Hardly anyone on SA is actually racist. Most of the humour on SA is based on around imitating the worst of the internet, so pretend racism is just one of the jokes. If someone is genuinely racist, they are banned from the forums. It's the same for homophobes and pedophiles - anyone who actually is one is banned (pedophiles are permabanned - if someone actually posts child pornography, they can never come back in any circumstances), but most of the time it's just joking around.

Eh, but what alot of people in SA don't understand is where to draw the line.

Where does a dead baby joke cease to be funny? At the exit point of the womb?

Where does a "kill the furries" thread cease to be funny? At the first public lynching of a sports mascot?


You guys have to draw lines and stick to them. Marching in and calling people names just because they don't act like you is mightily grating to some people.

LF

I wouldn't say the average furry. Maybe in your circle of friends the skins are pretty thick, but the average furry reacts to criticism of furries as a whole with heaps of drama unseen in almost any other community, which is why they are such targets.

Anyway, this is a hijack again, if you want to continue debating about furries, send me a PM. (You have them disabled, or I'd send you one)

except forum trolls... man they're the worst x.x

Hahaha, I'm not sure if that's smartass sarcasm or not. Touche' if it is.

I like you. You have more of a sense of humor than most people here seem to have.

Aw. The SAers are already starting to lose interest? Man, they've got no stamina at all.. I can't remember the last time a controversy died out -that- fast 'round here.

As far as SL being taken too 'seriously' because it's a game... You can see a kind, clean version of what happens when people call it a game in the New World Notes forum. The thread called something like "What do we call this thing of ours?" People get irate because about half don't even consider SL a game, since it's not an -actual- game without someone making a game within SL.

Don't worry, Moleculor, the controversy is far from over.

The current SA Goons strategy is to flee the SA Goons organization and reform under a less attention-getting group name. They began to leave the group when the permabans started up, under the mistaken impression that the entire group was being banned, and have now decided that it is a good idea in general. As a side note, observant goons have noted that the bans ("from this computer" are keyed off each individual computer hardware profile, and can be bypassed.

To continue: those goons who find SL to be rewarding will build a positive reputation under this new, not quite so inclusive group. Only after sufficient time has elapsed for all of this emotional involvement to die down will members of the new group begin a new, somewhat quieter and more subversive campaign to further whatever agenda they have decided upon at that time. Given the hot and cold nature of the SL forums and the rapidly evolving world, that new initiative could be less than a month from now, perhaps as little as two weeks.

To parallel a previous post of mine (in another of the umpteen threads on the subject), the first type of goons have been "dealt with" -- in other words, they've realized that straightforward griefing is pointless and swiftly rewarded. The second type is fully implemented: those that learn everything they can about the system and then do their best to break it. I suspect the social system is more at risk here rather than the world/hardware/software itself.

As for the third type, those that learn everything they can about the world and then realize that it's actually rather a neat idea and become valuable members of the community, we've already seen one or two. I suspect that given a long-lasting group and investment of sufficient time will increase the number of successful conversions.

Give them a chance, and ban those that abuse it. But give them a chance. Just as we had goons in world before the "freebie code" was popularized, we will have goons in world long after.

Hi guys, I would just like to put my input on this subject as I am the leader of the new "SA" group but we are a non-griefing group. Anybody found griefing in the group will be booted directly by me and will not get more than 2 warnings.

I greatly apologize for the way some of the goons acted and hope that most of you can forgive the people who realized they dont want to get banned and they want to partake in the pretty good community within Second Life.

If you guys have any problems with any of the members in the new group (The group name is undecided yet so ill get back to you all on that) then please let me know IMMEDIATLY so I can take action. Please do not take the situations into the Lindens hands because they are very busy and I dont want the new group to have a bad reputation with the Game Masters (Lindens).

I really appreciate some of you guy's sincerity and apologize again for the immature behavior some of the goons have shown.

Anyways, ill be in as Kurokami Khan as soon as the zone im in starts not lagging so I can finish the Welcome place tutorial to get some L$.

Kurokami,

your group polans sound excellent! please let us know the name of your group so we can welcome you properly (as in friendly).

also, if you're talking about a 'lagging zone' that's in-world, there may be an issue you're not aware of. the Welcome area doesn't allow scripts. if you're wearing anything that's scripted, take it off.. that will get rid of the lag.
..(i know this from personal experience, didn't realize my scripted wings were causing the lag i was experiencing, then thought to take them off and *poof* no more lag)

Welcome!

Hey Schwartz -- good to see you're back.