SA Link?

I never said I was smart just that they sound somewhat stupid. Its probably just the underage element in their ranks. Rugmonkeys always sound a little slow.

dude if you're stupid don't call other people stupid.
and it requires a CC to join the SA forums so there is probably a greater percentage of people over the age of 18 at SA.
That's another typical comment, "I can't beat them so I'll assume their 13 (a great age to call someone)"

My personal rule of thumb: If someone accuses you of being a certain age, add 1/3 of the number they accuse you of being to find their own age.

It's accurate a surprising amount of times.

^^^ rofl, this whole post is totally drunken.

Silly furry hater (now after reading that, breathe. Good, now calm down and don't respond in anger. Be happy, "gay" as it were, and learn to correct spelling mistakes yourself, idiot. )

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Maybe Darwin and I can begin an all out spelling/grammer attack on these guys. Oh fun!



<snickers> How childish can yah get?

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Its sad how SA Goons somehow expects the SecondLife community as a whole to embrace them, when they attempt to ostricize a benevolant and creative part of us.

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<satire>

The welcome area on the night of SA's arrival:

Haney Linden (dressed as easter bunny): Hi everyone! Wow! We're chok full of new arrivals tonight, welcome to SL!

SA Goon: <shoots Haney with a popgun, orbiting him halfway across the world>

SA Goon: (To everyone else) Hello everyone! I want some land in that Landless program, who do I talk to?

</satire>
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Oh come on, the elevator prank in toontown was utterly hilarious. Totally childish and silly, but come on, you have to appreciate that sort of thing on some level, especially considering death in toontown is relatively painless. There is very little humor in this world that doesn't come at someone else's expense, at least on some level.



You're assuming that every single person from a forum community with over 30 thousand members is here to grief. An accurate analogy would be is if goons started accusing every single person who plays SL as a sexual pervert merely because someone saw a few furries. Would that be a fair thing to do?

The people who are actually actively griefing aren't the ones posting trying to prevent a mass banning, because they don't care. They expect to get banned anyway, so why would they bother?

Accusing every single person from somethingawful as a griefer who is here to cause trouble and hoping they get banned is just as bad as any of the grief that some of the somethingawful players have been doing.

Suuurrre, griefing a world created for underage players, where you cant even chat properly. How utterly funny.




Wrongo. Where in my post did I accuse people from somethingawful of being griefers? In my post, I explicitly stated "Its sad how SA Goons expects the community to embrace them." SA Goons has explicitly attributed themselves to the incidents reported in this thread and others posted here, by NOT taking steps to kick out the griefers part of their group. Did anyone force you to become a part of SA Goons if you came to SL? If so, I advise you to seek professional help.

If SA Goons wants to stop being accused of griefing as a group, then it should kick out the griefers, simple as that. Since they have shown no interest in that, there is no reason NOT to attribute SA Goons with the anti-furry and anti-gay hate crimes their members committed.



An even more accurate analogy would be the way SL Goons is treating the bestal insignificantly rare minority of furries. Goons are already accusing every single person who wears a furry avatar in SL as being a sexual pervert.



I agree with you here, accusing every single person from somethingawful is just as bad. Thats why I have not accused everyone from somethingawful as a griefer, just those who have refused to dis-attribute themselves with the griefers (the SA Goons group).

They'd actually have a valid claim to 'griefing' Disney. Everyone knows Disney is kinky. (But then again, so am I.)

Guess you had to be there. I had it done to me more than once, and even then I could still see the humor in it. I guess some people are just thin-skinned over internet videogames. I tend to realize that it's just a game, and not take it quite so seriously.



"Goons" is the name given to members of the SA forums. When you say that the somethingawful goons are doing x, it's assumed you are talking about the forum members, not some little group within a game that uses the name.

Most of the people in the SA goons group are only there to communicate with the other people from somethingawful. The people from SA came as a group, and it's to be expected that they would try to form some sort of connection ingame to be able to find eachother, so I seriously doubt that the entire group is out there griefing.

Do you really expect people to completely abandon all their loyalties to the SA forums simply because they disagree with the actions of some of the members? That would be like an SL player registering a somethingawful forum account to see what's up, and being banned because they refused to abandon their loyalties to SL.

Most of the people are only playing temporarily until they get bored or banned, because for many people there is no draw whatsoever to SL other than griefing. Most people need some sort of real conflict in their games to keep them from becoming completely boring.

anti-furry hatecrimes. Are you a furry? You seem to have a pretty large flare for the melodramatic for a 'mundane'.

I call them minors if they act like minors. And I didn't say I was stupid either.

Well, I am 49 next Saturday if thats any help.

We have heard this phrase many times, almost always from greifer who have been banned. You guys are to serious, it's only a game. Well, a lot of people here don't look upon SL as a game, and we DO take it seriously. What right do these f***s have to come in and spoil our in-world experiences. People like that can be so lame. In RL some of the actions your group has done here could get them arrested. Only a real loser gets his fun harrassing others.

Well, then you are going to have to learn to live with griefers. Griefers flock to people who take games way too seriously. Either grow a thicker skin, or lighten up and realize that even though this is an extremely freeform and fundamentally non-confrontational game, it's a game nonetheless.

Does griefing suck? Sure. I've been playing online games a very long time, I know how annoying griefers can be all too well, but after a while you realize that they are only doing it to get a rise out of you. If you stop caring about them, they very quickly lose interest in griefing you.

et tu brute?

Oh snap, I got furry-served.

I'm 3 day banned for some silly thing, and none of the other goons are in here keeping these threads going, so I figured I'd board warrior a bit and keep the threads active.

It passes the time.

I play CS and I am an admin on a server. We have a rule for trouble makers. Warn, kick, kick, ban. Many of the regulars think we are too easy on them, but we give them a chance to play straight and have fun. The point? Many of the people we kick learn that we are serious about our game and actually turn out to be great regular players. The others, they are gone, we dont have to learn to live with griefers.

SL is one world. Is a lot of connected servers, but it is one seamless world, controlled by one entity. Once someone gets kicked, they cant just log in somewhere else and continue their games. I think thats why it seems like it takes Lindens forever to actually ban someone.

Maybe a suspension is brought on too fast. It wasnt a hasty life ban, it was a (maybe) hasty suspension. The question is, will anything be learned from the suspension?

The real bottom line is we dont have to learn to deal with griefers. Thin skinned, touchy, whatever. SL does not tolerate it. And it is never going to be a way of life as it is so many other places.

I'm not saying that griefers shouldn't get banned, I'm saying that by the reactions of players, you're just egging them on.

I'm saying that if you guys are treating this game as more than just a game, and taking the griefing that personally, you're going to end up *encouraging* the griefers to come and cause trouble.

You used the CS analogy, and it's a good one. However, the comparison would be, instead of warning and kicking griefers, the members started going on a huge tirade over how you are ruining the game for everyone, and complaining nonstop about how the damn kids are messing everything up. You're a server admin, you tell me how well that would work to discourage griefing.

I don't have a problem with the linden's reactions to the situation. I'm saying the reactions of the players is just serving to egg the people who are only here to grief on.

The members (regular players) appreciate the job of admin we do on our server. If there was a big outbreak of crying about something. The same standards apply to them, as with everyone. Maybe the whole server gets kicked that night. Maybe I dont understand your question. An uprising like you are talking about doesnt happen among the regular players that understand their expectations.

We (the admins) dont get out of hand and needlessly kick players that happen to bother us personally. We follow the guidelines we set up. I have been called so many names for kicking someone, I know it all too well. But, by having the rules in place, the regulars know they can log in and have some good gameplay with skilled players. They know that griefers wont be around too long.

I definately dont dispute the fact that griefers crave attention. But, I dont think we should just allow the behavior. They get bored with me and they go find someone that will feed the fire. What good is that?

Well, you run a server, you have to realize that the way SL's players have been reacting to the whole situation only serves to hold the interest of the people breaking the rules for that much longer.

eh i managed to keep a server clean for 18 months *without* bein an admin. Generally the best solution was to let the cheaters/td'ers make their own mistakes, and have a sytem in place that made them pay for them. Worked like a champ

Attack people in SL, for *whatever* damn reason and the system, the admins, and about 2/3 of the playerbase is gonna come outta the woodwork to ensure you won't stay long.

On the flipside... learn from a warning or a suspension that the behavior will not be tolerated, and stop doin it. Chances are good that eventually SL will warm to you like it has so many waves of 'invaders' before. These days, threaten our WW2OL'ers and you'll raise the ire of many of the same people *they* griefed when they first got on. The world on here is kinda funny that way... But then again thats why so many of us are here.

And the longer they play, it should become more obvious that its not acceptable behavior. If they cant cant change their ways, they will be banned eventually. Its really hard to ignore this type of player.

I know there are people that dont care about being banned, and they know that they will be banned eventually. They are the hopeless ones that will have to find somewhere else to do it.

I just hope that people that want to be here are able to understand the social requirements in doing so. A temporary suspension should be a big heads up.

heh damn loki its a shame i never found yer server after my 'home' away from home as it were went under, sounds like one of the last fun places CS has to offer.

then again im a reasonably happy SL'er now and prolly wouldn't find the time to get back into CS even on decent servers like yers sounds to be.

* searches for his Pink Poodle of Pestilence av *

Hey, SA's my old stompin' grounds. I gotta stick up for my forum homies.

(Also, hi again! It's been a few months but I'm back!)

Welcome back Schwarz!

Now DIE you SA sleezebag!