One Player --> Two Developer Incentives

sensual, you are not understanding - there is no intent to abuse the system. dwell bonuses very minor in this players business model. infact i doubt they figure at all. it's a LL oversight. and you benefited from it too.

It is not premeditated abuse, but it is still wrong, intention or not to allow it. The practice of holding land in various accounts is not wrong - Linden Lab is in the wrong here, not the player, for rewarding the same player multiple times - it does not add up to the same amount as if they were awarded once for the dwell total, and affects two other players negatively that are just as deserving.

Tell me how the heck I benefited from it? Dwell bonuses are NOT minor to the player... I am sorry but to me $250 USD and $500 USD is a big difference ..... and I am not talking about THIS incident, I am talking about this situation, period... and what it can lead to and the possibilities of abusing the award system.

Agreed - it is a loophole that needs to be closed because it could be gamed and abused. It cannot be 100% prevented, but in this case, one letter away in an alphabetical list is a pretty sloppy oversight.

Just another reason among the many why the dwelloper incentive should be shit canned.

1> you benefitted because two less players qualified and your pie share became bigger (towards the max)

2> you benefitted because the player who's tier is divided did not place as hig as you and some of their accounts fell off the chart, there fore not earning their full share of the pie.

3> dwell bonus is very minor in terms of the effortayoff ratio. dwell is a nice reward for people who enjoy making events but intelligent people would not game it.

4> as for talking about this incident - you called for a suspension, you called for the player to return money, and you blamed the player for unintentional bumping off of two players.

the effort that would go into earning two seperate 250 USD awards by one person is obscene. whoever does that deserves it!

I am convinced you have no idea what you are talking about.

he/she has never gotten dwell before.. i dont think atleast.

sensual, i don't feel like tutoring you in math.

Jauani I don't feel like giving you a run down on how the system works, I can not explain it to you anymore clearer than I have... however I have an 8 yr old, maybe he can explain it a little more at your level?
You are thinking of dwell, and DWELL and the DEV AWARDS are two totally different systems and work totally different than the other.

This would only be true if the alts were sharing 1 share of award money. They aren't. Two fewer players qualified, but no fewer accounts did. They now have 2 or 3 shares instead of 1. The amount of accounts the money was split between did not change, and therefore the only person to get more because of it is the one with the multiple accounts.

Just leave him be, call secondlife and get this shit straight who cares what the troll thinks aslong as you get the money your owed.

To my knowledge, Dev awards are basically a split of the top dwell-getters. Hence the nickname "dwelloper awards".

Now, assume Anshe Chung had only used one AV instead of two to own her land. Let's assume she got the same dwell on both lands. Anshe would have then gotten all the dwell on that one AV, and that AV would have picked up both shares of the dwell anyway.

So really, it's a wash. Let it be.

It is based on dwell but it is calculated differently. Dwell is based on an average over ALL parcels in SL, Dev awards is based on the average of dwell per PERSON.

It is not a wash, I don't think you would be saying that if I had alts and got 1st,2nd and 3rd place.

You're right, as far as I know. But it doesn't change the fact that Anshe would have gotten the same money whether she was one AV or three.

Now, if the awards were arbitrary, like, $1000 first place, $500 second place - etc - then I might complain - but as far as I know the money is proportional to dwell.

Keeping the present in mind, the term now used is traffic.

You are wrong, and you can read my previous posts, maybe you would understand better.

the money is split in proportion of the dwell accrued.

while player=anshe would have recieved a proportion of X/Z, where
X is her dwell and
Z is total dwell of top dwell recipients

instead she recieved she recieved (X1 + X2 + X3)/Z.
X1 + X2 + X3 +X4 = x

as you can see X4 did not receive a dwell bonus because X4's tier donation was not high enough to qualify. so infact anshe's total proportion was lower than what she really should have earned.

now because anshe's alts bumped off two other recipients, z became smaller than it would have been if anshe's was under one account and two more players dwell was introduced to the total.

so instead of each player getting X/Z
where Z = Z1 +Z2 + Z3 ... Zn

they are getting X/Z
where Z = Z1 +Z2 + Z3 ... Zn-2

where n is the total number of actual eligible recipients. so Z is smaller, everyone who remains has a larger portion.

now in a hypothetical circumstance, yes with the 250 max some player could abuse it. but that player would have to rank at the top with two seperate parcels. the current ranking is based on total for one land owner/group. like anshe didn't hit the top because her dwell was seperated between alts, neither would sensual and sensuale if her two sims were seperated (though i'm one or both may quite likely qualify for som reward).

that should be clear enough. sensual, maybe you can have your eight year old explain that to you.

if somebody got 1st 2nd and 3rd place to max out on the 250, i would say good for them. they were able to create three individual places of the highest calibre. quite an astounding feat. i can see from observing many of the players who make the list, that it takes a lot of hard work. definitely not something that is abusable. it's much more economical to get a job at burger king.

It is not a wash - it prevented two other players who deserved developer incentives from receiving them. It affects the entire curve of awards that are given out to all players as well. Anshe earned a developer incentive, no question - she does not however deserve three of them for creative tiering by putting her land into multiple alt accounts and then having all the land owned by her group of her own alts. Sorry, no fucking way they should just "let it be" it is hardly a wash.

Again as I have explained, you have no idea what you are talking about, NO ONE has a higher portion, except Anshe has 3 awards when there should only be one, but instead it is restricting the other 2 players to receive the award they are entitled to. Once you figure out how the awards work, please feel free to post your ignorance again.
Also, you dont have to get 1st , 2nd and 3rd to exceed over the highest prize of approx $250 USD.. that could be done with say... 7th, 10 and 15th...(just a guess) but it wouldn't be hard to do.

Sensual, Jauani,

There is no set number of people on the list of dwellopers. It has changed month to month. I am willing to wager that the list is based on a threshold of dwell - in this case Anshe bumps no one by having multiple people on the list.

Let's say there's 100 landowners racking up dwell.
Let's say 100 landowners make 1000 dwell.
Let's say LL sets the threshold as > 5% of total dwell, or 50 dwell.
The top 5 players have dwell > 50, qualifying for bonuses.
Let's name them A,B,C,D,E
A = 200 dwell
B = 150 dwell
C = 100 dwell
D = 75 dwell
E = 60 dwell
F and below = 49 or lower dwell = not on the list

Let's say Anshe is C and D.

Now, if Anshe were in one player, the list would look like this:
A = 200 dwell
C+D = 175 dwell
B = 150 dwell
E = 60 dwell
F and Below = 49 or lower dwell = not on the list

So, E is still on the list either way, and no one has been bumped onto the list. The list has essentially not changed. In fact, there's only a RISK to Anshe by having multiple AVs.

Let's say instead Anshe gets 175 dwell, but C=140 dwell, and D = 35 dwell.

Now Anshe would get her full share as one person under 175 dwell, but if she had both players, only one, C, would wind up on the list, and D would fall under the threshold.

sensual you are wrong. you all benefited. because anshe's total in the calculation was less than what she as a human with 4 accounts actually earned, and the total dwell of all winners was less because -->

because 2 players were indeed bumped out and you all placed higher for it.

now i will read you a bed time story written by haney linden, a favorite amongst dwell hoarders...

wrong again... it used to be (I think) 32 awards given and was recently raised to 43 or something like that, my numbers are probably off, but there IS a set number of people.

I dont give a rats ass if she recieved more or less money in this incident, the fatcs are it is wrong, and 2 or more other people DID NOT receive any award because of it.

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Now please, Sensual, retract your demeaning statements that you have made in this thread to other players.