Jeez.. Another Nameless Twit..

I have the greatest respect for you feniks. We have also had the squatter phenomena, which was well done and very entertaining. We have invited the group who did the hobo thing to come and do a build if they like. I am hoping they will.

I'm not really sure what else we can do at this point but pass the name around. This person has been banned from the sandboxes for pulling inapproiate stuff. In the absence of effective land tools.. or at least ones that meet our needs. And with the priority bug that caused a few sims to be wiped. And considering the "I'm going to keep doing this as long as I'm not caught" attitude... don't really know what else to do...

Ratings are problematic at best... The forums are an excellent place to raise your bloodpressure.... shrug

I am VERY happy with the speed at which the Lindens responded to one of our friends who alerted them to the problem even though we weren't online.

I believe in due process too. But I am completely frustrated. I was present for two first-hand griefing incidents over the space of the last few months involving this person. I have it on good report that he was banned from the sandboxes for inappropriate resource use.

I will pass you the name, however, it is NOT appropriate to post it in the forums. Don't make me come over there and beat you Darko.

Your land, your choices.

We provide rent-free spaces to vendors by invite... and since an island sim can have only one group, and we don't want them in the land group...

Also, we have a lot of people who are free to build on our land, but are not in our land group.

I really wish we had better land tools.

I had the somewhat dubious pleasure of reading a novella length notecard of the interaction between this individual, his buddy, the Linden who responded, and the two people from our sim who reported it.

The action coupled with the dialog made this seem the approprite response in terms of protecting the community. If our entire sim had been wiped by this - known bug.. the Linden's and all of the people who live in our sim would have been doing more than rushing off to the forums.

I have had the pleasure several times in my life in living in places where you could leave your doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition without worrying about thieves.

If my windows are open in RL or my keys in the ignition.. and you steal my car or enter my house through a window univited.. well the police arrest you, the judge sentences you... you get to visit friendly people named Bubba in jail. If you're lucky. I lived for awhile in Texas where if you found a stranger in your house or stealing your car, you had the right to shoot them dead... which I consider slightly extreme.. but just to answer your analogy.

These bannings are out of the exact same reason for me starting this thread. I don't want it to happen to me. So long as that pesky bug that wipes sims is out there, I would want any of my fellow land owners to warn me of a situation where someone deliberately might risk activating it. Especially since this person seems to feel it is there right to do so.

Sorry not to put all of that into one really long monsterous reply. I wanted to be sure and hit every point.

We were out on a RL trip to Guatamala all day, and playing catchup both in RL, SL, and the forums has made me a bit manic.

Hopefully I didn't repeat myself too much....

Ironically if this person had (1) asked us, and (2) hadn't griefed us back in Riiki several months ago (the abuse hurling kind of griefing) and (3) hadn't griefed an event we were at..... we would have probably been willing to let him build. We let a lot of people use our land for temporary builds, as well as the core (probably fetid) group that does permanant ones here. Ferran and I are both generous in sharing our resources with other people, however, respect is the absolute bedrock of all our relationships.

I think just about everything that can be said on this topic has been. I will check back tomorrow. I hope you all are having a good weekend.

you really have no idea who the person in question is do you?

he does not go to events... and he has not a single linden friend.

You have yet to explain how his building could possibly *hurt* any of you.

It has no effect on what is already there... it is using unused primlimit and it is in the air out of sight.

You might feel like he should not be tresspassing on what you 'own'... and that is your right...

But...

It is impossible for his build to cause ANY damage to you or your sim and builds.

It isn't even scripted... it is just a big set of prims... if he reached the prim limit the system would just not allow him to build further (parcel is full).

what bug... when parcel is full you can't build anymore...

I witnessed first hand the event problem. I was there. I saw it. Believe what you want.

Rezzing a 3,500 prim object is just the kind of thing that could cause the annoying return bug. The one where the Lindens have to do a roll-back on the sim to fix it. Read the forums more closely if you haven't heard of it.

When my son was about five years old I had to explain respect for other people's persons and property to him. When he was 15 I had to explain that he didn't get to decide what was fair & proper use of other people's time, persons, or belongings. Adults shouldn't have to have this explained. Nuff said.

I am wondering if this whole thing is an experiment by one of the universities or colleges that are conducting classes in our world.

The world wonders.

AMEN

This also was not the first time that Surreal & Ferran were griefed by this person. It apparently happened before when they lived in Riiki.

Its really no different that your RL neighbor knocking on your door to tell you that there have been a recent rash of car theft's or house break ins. Surreal is being courteous as there have been other land griefing problems in alot of the private sims etc. I think everyone who has responded has been land griefed recently.

Yes it was right after they moved, I think. The person seemed to enjoy insulting me because of the clothes I was wearing. The mark of a free thinker, no doubt.

You obviously are very new and don't know what you speak of. If the said miscreant reached the prim limit he would not be stopped...each new prim he rezzes after the prim limit will send back a previously used prim of the owners.

Again so you understand....when the parcel is full you can build more as previously placed prims will be sent back to the owner.

This thread is in the result of a workaround for something that needs to be fixed.
If LL doesnt supply landowners with the proper tools (and fix that nasty object return bug), landowners will take their own steps.

Whether I agree or not with any steps that anyone takes is of little matter, if this happened to me, I too would feel the need to protect my investments.

Land abuse by others will continue, landowners will continue to protect themselves, until LL gives us better and more granular land tools.

I would hope that we could move away from this particular thread and add to this thread.

There are some interesting ideas there.


fen-

Buy his own land???

i have read the postings and the same thing keeps coming up, that this person built an unwanted build without permission and tried to hide it, that tells me that if he was hiding it, he didn't want it to be found.

I think that in my opinion his actions were wrong, and that people pay good RL money to support their own projects, and when someone doesn't ask permission to build on their land it is essentially stealing from the owner of the land. no ,matter how you try to slice it and deffend the person in question, it is wrong to use something without permission,

To those who keep defending his actions, why don't you have him build on your land, let him tie up you prim usage, and you pay the teir fees for him. could it be you don't want him using up your prims?

Apparently the squatting has become a problem, and I think it should be delt with. If we have to pay for tiers to build why shouldn't they. I undestand that with build permissions on you allow someone to build/rez objects, but that doesn't mean you should build massive prim objects on anyones land.

I recently encountered a prim shortage myself, and upon spending several hours looking through the sim was unable to find where the objects were, and I am reffering to about 300 prims, looking underground as well, then I turned to the sky, I found the prims being used, though I could have said something, I just returned the objects and went on. If the incedent repeated then i would have definantly contacted Linden.

I don't think anyone wants to unjustly degrade anyone, they just want things to be fair. If the person in question has been banned from the sandboxes, there must be a reason. would I let him build on my land, probably not. keeping prims down is hard enough without someone using them up for you. We all have creative ideals, and if you don't have your own land to build on, ask someone first, don't just do it and try to hide it, it is essentially stealing from the owner.

I recently was the victim of a few griefing sessions, I asked once to stop they repeated, and banning those persons involed from the property solved the problem, I think it is everyones right to keep the trouble makers away. if you are going to cause problems then you should be banned. I don't allow people to do what they want on my property in RL, why would i want them to in SL.

If someone allows you to use their property then go for it, if they don't want you there then leave, don't be a pest. And if they would have asked first, there would be no posting in this forum of the incedent, and as far as Linden is concerned, any and all problems I have reported to Linden Staff have been delt with in a prompt and timley manner, I have no complaints what so ever.

WildThing Magpie

PS: I created a group to combat the extensive griefing in SL,
SL Anti-Terrorist Alert Group - Don't be caught off guard!
Ban together, there is strength in numbers