Jeez.. Another Nameless Twit..

Not mine. I ban people for what they've done on my land, not what they've done on someone else's.

Ditto.

Besides, if you don't want squatters, either A) Auto-return or B) Set No Build. We're given groups and land tools for a reason. Use them.

That's all well in good, but those tools really don't help land owners who offer vendor spaces or other multi-use areas that require build be turned on.

That's why we have group permissions.

Precisely. It's too simplistic an answer to cover every possibility.

For one thing, I have found that the biggest problem on the flipside, as someone who wants to place vendors, is that people invariably want you to join their land group to manage it, and given that that is the only way we can effectively manage other people's stuff, it seems fair enough. Except we only have a 15 group limit. And tho you can temporarily join a group, set your stuff up and leave the group, which helps, it's still a PITA generally. Since people manage by group, you miss announcements and stuff if you leave them again.

I really think it's high time that we had some other kind of management capability to facilitate hosting, or simply raise the group limit significantly. Personally, I think something like a lock that can be toggled by either land owner or object owner that excepts items from 'return objects' would be cool. Or like a secondary access list of 'trusted content providers' who can put stuff on your land and be exempted from returns.

It's the same for groups though; and I'm especially thinking about landowners who want to host other people's stuff here; I'd really like to see an overhaul of group positions. Instead of just members and officers, I'd like to see permissions that allowed you to set what each person could do, or more flexible membership tiers.

You see a lot of places, particularly malls, and most wholly owned sims and projects, with multiple groups, usually at least ones for 'residents/workers', one for 'content owners etc. It'd be nice to have the flexibility to manage all of this within a single group for your business, sim or plot. Or conversely, the ability to set your land to more than one group, or except more than one group's stuff - but again, with the group limits as it is, thats almost as useless as it is now.

With the way SL is going, commercially I mean, I really think a revamp of how we're able to administer and manage our land, groups and content is in order if we want to progress.

Kris, you are totally right.


Levels of Trust

wow. And you got no responses at all?

Oh well. Must be just you and me then.

Haha, when I put out a big idea, it tends to be novel-length.

Maybe I should serialize it, like Dickens did, and more people would read it.







Nah, they probably wouldn't; not even if it meant not finding out what happens to Pip, or his poor objects or editable land.

You obviously missed the "group" part of my post.

I said: "We're given groups and land tools for a reason. Use them."

Instead of stealth building I'd like to rez a slowly moving house that can float across the sims.

That is all well and good, if those tools were actually effective. I have had an entire build destroyed by auto-return, when the build was set to the correct group. You can't set land to no build as a group - group members cannot build on the land, which is just plain stupid and makes the option pointless. Have you also completely missed the constant posts about items being returned that belong to the land owner/group BEFORE the new items that are put onto the land? It is being used as a way to grief and destroy builds. So you can emphasize all the words you want in your sentence, the tools we have are very ineffective for managing land.

Hey Surreal.... drop me a line with that name....thanks

Massively overreacting... He left as soon as you caught him anyway and its not like you needed the prims...

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Oh you were sort of asking for it with 4k m full of XXX junk, left with full puild perms, With the rest of the sim empty

Dumb asses

How pathetic - act like an asshole, and then blame others for it. Typical.

What are puild perms! I want them! NOW!

I dont know if you were implying that I did it but it wasnt me. I know how did It though. And im far more inclined to side with him than you. You werent even logged on when the event occured and yet you IMMEDIATELY go rushing off to the forums to tell the world about what a jerk this guy is...

I was referring to your statement actually. I said nothing about the person who did this. The attitude that it is alright to do something just because you can get away with it is lame, and childish. Somerone can leave their car open, it doesn't make it right to steal the car, no matter the justification. If you aren't paying for the land, you have no right or any invitiation to build on it - build tools turned on or off. I didn't need to be at the event in question - for one thing, Surreal's reputation is beyond reproach, and I go through the same thing all the time with my own land. You can make all the justifications you want for bad behavior, it still doesn't change it. Nice try though.

PS - how do you know if I was logged in or not at the time? And funny thing, the thread started yesterday - this is hardly running to the forums to reply to a thread A DAY LATER.

What does justify his behavior is that he has an absolutely MAGNIFICENT build... ive never seen anything like it. But since it uses so many prims he cannot find anywhere to put it. The lindens have even forbid him from rezzing it in the sandbox. He just wants to be able to create his art. I dont think there is anything wrong with that... Though i dont agree entirely with his methods, I dont see any way he can work on his project.

Maybe a car thief with MAGNIFICENT driving skills would be justified in stealing your car -- but not mine.

If he is so talented, then ask someone for permission - just doing it the way he is doing it is wrong. If the work is so valid, he will find a place for it. Just taking someone's resources because he needs to create his "art" is not valid excuse, no matter how brilliant.

Then buy land like the rest of us, or rent from an owner willing to display his work.

Stealing the use of a land owners prims, regardless of the land tools set is wrong.

This would not be aceptable in rl, and i don't see why we should allow it here.

If a land owner is willing to share his prims and space for this person to work on a project or display art, thats fine, but to just show up and build somewhere without permission, is irresponseble.

why did he do anything wrong?

You were not using the prims... and he would have left if you asked him. or right after he was finished with the build.

I don't understand really what the big deal is.

The lindens won't let him work on it in the sandboxes what is he supposed to do?

Hate is in your hearts for banning without trying to understand.

Ownership is very real in sl, just as it is in rl. In rl he would have to ask/rent/buy space to work and display, the same in sl. I would not let someone just decided to build something in my lawn without asking first.

Would you be so 'considerate' if he built on your land and caused your house, club, mall or whatever you have to be returned or deleted when you went over budget? Because that's what happens. People building on your land can destroy your business. People building 'stealth' builds aren't making art, they're griefing.

You (or your friend) want to build big? Then buy land. Simple as that. There's a lot of it out there.