Jeez.. Another Nameless Twit..

The person in question dropped by my island the other night and he asked if he could rez something. In our conversation about what exactly he would be rezzing, it came out that it was a 3500 prim object. I asked him not to and he obliged. He was very polite about his "case" and his point that he had something that needed a lot of prims and that I had 9000+ free at the moment was well taken. He mentioned the sandbox banning and I felt real bad for him. I think that the sandboxes are there for everyone and if there is a limit, the Lindens should tell us about it.

But, as a landowner, I pay $195 a month for the right to have the use of 15000 prims and I can use them as I please. When my wife and I decided we wanted a tropical island environment that we could control, we did what was required of us in SL and spent the money. I am not able to justify underwriting this art project (no matter how cool it looks) and am not required to.

The Lindens, though, might want to take a good, hard look at his work and see if there is any way they can help hook him up with a project that can use his skills. He is a very talented individual who, for whatever reason, cannot pay the ~$75-$100 US a month it would cost to keep up his build.

His insistence on using other people's land to further his dream is not doing him, or his defenders, any good. In SL, what you use has to be paid for, period. If you use someone else's resources without their consent, it is stealing and there is no way to justify it. No matter how cool your build is.

sigh....

My main point is that he would have left if asked... there is no need for mass banning.

As you said he was polite and you asked him not to and he didn't.

Agreed - there is no need for banning - but has he put out builds without asking permission first? If he continues that behavior, he deserves to be banned.

sigh....

I wish you had chosen to respond to my other points as well.

While he showed me some respect, I have seen from other island owners that he has not done the same for them. Unfortunately, that means that I have to take action to protect my property.

Once you own something, you may feel differently about it.

As a side note, there appears to be at least 4 people here actively defending nameless. If those people, plus nameless got together, they could each donate about US $12 in tier each month and that just might be enough to support nameless's art.

How about putting your money where your mouths are?

a sim is 900 dollars plus 275 a month. (or something)

48 dollars would not cover that.

Not everyone has cash to throw around. The lindens do not like giving away anything for free. They did not like him using the sandboxes to work when someone else would have shelled out the cash to buy a sim.

He beat the system and the system banned him to try and force him to buy a sim of his own.

Your point is well taken about the lindens and I have already addressed that.

A sim is $980 ($500-750 used) plus $195 a month.

The figures I used would be $60. As it turns out, the $75 a month tier is needed. This is still within the reach of most mortals, you would just need to convince 7-8 people to join instead of the 5 I originally estimated.

You don't need an entire sim, just 1/4. That would get you 16,384 square meters and 3750 prims. With the 10% group bonus, it becomes 18,022sm and 4125 prims.

Also, the land could be rented. Several land owners rent both parts of mainland sims and private islands.

If anyone was serious about building in SL, they should have already done this homework.

We are all here because we are blinded by the potential of SL. We have so many plans and ideas that our heads are bursting. This is the place we have all dreamed of for years. Unfortunately, there is a price for it. You must pay to play, there is no other way.

Well if creating artful builds is so important to this person perhaps they should invest in buying some land.

see it's all about money with you people...

buy buy buy...

own own own...

one could make the same assumption about those who leech resources from others and that sort of thing.

Is it just me or this is comparable to how you could own a nice sized building and someone graffities over it. Sure graffiti is an art form, and sure it might be nice graffiti, but you didn't ask for it and they used the space you paid for to make it. Sure they couldn’t afford a wall to make it on, but does that give them the right to paint yours?

Just a thought I felt like sharing.

I continue to miss why everybody is so upset over this. The Landowner left build tools on and then threw a fit when they were used. If leave your windows down and your keys in your car you dont deserve to be able to complain when somebody takes it. It is negligence on your part. Also... I oppose the lindens stand to building his creation in the sandbox with a PASSION. Ive never seen the sandbox with more than 8000 or so prims used, And the creation doesnt have massive complex script in it either. This doesnt hurt sandbox performance... If he werent driven out of the sandbox he wouldnt have moved on to less legitimate building areas. Perhaps all of you should start looking into this part of the matter as well. The sandbox is meant to be a freeform area where you are allowed to create to your hearts desire... Not create to your hearts desire "To an extent" I think it very sad that he doesnt have anywhere to take his build. Yes, he is rebellious. No, not without reason.

[Edit] And as a response to the above post, His build was neither permanent nor visible from the ground.

I keep seeing people say that we said we had a "right" to do it. We didn't and we knew that. We broke rules. If there is one thing that I hope you guys get from this, it would be that we don't think we have a right to steal your sim space. We know it was theft.

For those of you sticking up for us, I appreciate it. For those of you stating your oppinions against our actions, I appreciate it.

This was an experiment and we seem to have some very conclusive data.


Thanks for sharing everyone, and I hope to see you all in world ^^


- !@#$%^ Braeden Maelstrom

This is totally wrong. You can't go down the street rattling door knobs until one opens, then go in. It is still trespassing.

I can't believe you said that.

I just can't.

With that attitude, I am sure you will be banned in no time, and good riddance.

Was it an experiment to see just how much attention you could garner by being childish irritants? That's what it looks like to me.

I seem to see some people pointing fingers at Dougal Jacobs as well. He is simply trying to douse the flame that's being put on his friends. He had nothing to do with this particular incident.

Finally, an honest man.

Who steals.

But at least you aren't hiding behind lame analogies or making excuses.

I trust your experiment has concluded.

I for one have absolutely no respect or sympathy for said nameless twit, after being insulted and harassed in a very pretentious manner by them. I don't think they contribute anything at all useful to Second Life, and we'd be better off without them.

I disagree. I know Braeden, he is very talented. We have chatted at length and he has some good and interesting ideas. I think Second Life is a good place for those with creativity like Braeden's.

He admitted to his crime. I think to continue to call him names here in the forums is wrong.
Second Life is not a private club. Its is not up to us to decide who and why someone should be part of it.


fen-

I was, firstly, referring to the other person involved. I have never met Braeden, but judging from this "experiment" and the company he keeps, I can honestly say I would not care to Having interesting ideas does not mean someone is a good person, and I don't think that admission of guilt should absolve them from being banned by anyone who doesn't want them building on their land.

ok, my error.



I never said that building on anothers land was ok. I never contested that banning them from your land is wrong either.

What does bother me about this thread is that so many were so quick to attack someone they did not know, become the judge and jury, convict and then punish.

fen-

That's fine, but I sadly do know one of the parties involved, though not very well. Well enough to know that they possess no qualities I respect, though.

There are plenty of people that have successfully gotten to know the person in question. You might be rash, quick to judge, have hate in your heart, or just didn't try... I can't think of any other reason you feel the way you do.

It is one thing to disagree but it is another thing to not respect someone just because they have a belief system different then yours.

This is between only the person in question and ONE SINGLE island owner. No else. Every other person who chimed in with a "me too I will ban" just wants to assert the fact that they are also part of the elite. Even someone wihtout an island wanted a peice of it and exclaimed "me too I will tell my friends with islands"

Use your heads people... many of these me too bannings are on sims that he wouldn't have used anyway because of not enough prims or sufficient prims but with an autoreturn. Those bannings are out of hate, not fear.

Belief systems have nothing to do with it. I don't like the person in question because in every encounter I have had with that person, they have been pompous and arrogant and insulting. And if they are banned out of hatred oh NO! Some person hates another person! What a surprising and rare occurrence! I find all these people using arguments such as "oh but he's an ARTIST! He's a REBEL! A FREE THINKER!" to defend what could be considered a griefer laughable at best and utterly despicable at worst.

No.. we were not asking for it. And you evidently haven't been to the Chaos sim since you have no clue what is there. We actually have much less mature stuff than anyone who knows us would expect. Unless a massive trailer park is automatically suspect.

The land tools are unfortunately not sufficient ... to answer those individuals who think we should simply turn off build, or invite everyone into our land group. We provide a rent-free space to invited vendors... which means that we can't set auto-return without inviting all the vendors into our land group.. since a private sim cannot be subdivided in group.

What I hear you saying is that if I am not using something I own, then anyone who wants to has the right to do so. By that analogy, if you are not using your car, then you won't mind if I borrow it. And if you aren't using the spare bedroom in your house, I can move in.. all without asking you.. just cause I'm me.. and special.

Your IM also suggested that since he wouldn't have been allowed to build there anyway if he IMed one of us asking, that therefore it was OK.... We have a number of people who are invited to build here.. They all asked. You are correct in that this individual would not have been given permission because I have been first-hand witness to two griefing incidents this person performed and because they generally have a poor reputation.

Letting other people who might be affected by the prim-limit auto-return bug know that there is an individual who feels it is OK to drop 3,500 prims on someones land without asking is not overreacting. It is taking some of my valuable time to make a contribution to the community.. so that innocent bystanders don't get hurt by this individuals blatent lack of respect for others.

Let's examine THIS gem of logic further. By your way of thinking, it's ok if someone hits you in the head with baseball bat. OOPS! You forgot your helmet today! No complaining for you!

You are completely absurd