Annoying lame security scripts

Well, in this particular case one could argue that it forced her to fly 10m up to cross ban bars on my land as my land was on two sides of her parcel, including side facing telehub. However I see BIG difference between making selected griefer cross land at 10m altitute on one hand and sending random people to their homepoint on other hand. One is protective measure, but the other is simply griefing if you ask me.

That's irresponsible, Anshe. Do people go around encouraging everyone to neg rate you because you're a land baron and they disagree with how you deal with land you own? No.

There is one very rude individual who has large parcel of land south of Grizledale telehub. I think it very likely is same person that also frustrated finn. I tried claim land south of Grizledale, attempting to fly there from telehub at considerable altitute. Each time I suddenly end up at my home location, stuck, forced to reboot. There was not even message telling me what happened. I first started file bug reports and call liason since, coincidently, this all happen shortly after one new patch. One liason checked it out and finally found so-called "security" system.

After this I tried file abuse report to get this script removed. Nothing happened. I still got teleport home. I tried make the owner turn it off. He act like asshole and just laugh. I neg rate him. The next day I am tripple neg rated by at least 3 accounts.

The funny thing is that two weeks ago Linden Lab forced me to grant access for one griefer to one of my malls. I used the normal ban feature on my land, which does not teleport people home or crash them, but just forces them to fly 10m high and cross the land at that altitute. Still, I even received WARNING from Lindens because the griefer had land behind my mall and it is obviously unacceptable for one griefer to fly 10m high to cross my land. Well, after I unbanned her it only took a few days until she litter my mall with billboards to defame and insult respected Second Life residents.

I must say this frustrate me. The TOS is enforced inconsistently and rating system is completely broken. Maybe the only thing that can be done to change anything is gather 100 people and neg rate every owner of teleport-home "security" scripts and maybe the creators of those scripts too. Or post on the forum who those people are and encourage people visit there and drop their ratings. Such as Candy Manray in Grizedale 70, 122. I encourage everybody appropriately rate such people and change rating if they stop teleporting and crashing residents.

I don't think you, most especially, should be complaining about being banned. I think you should personally be thankful it doesn't happen more often.

I am not talking about people using ban feature on their land. I am talking about griefers use scripts that teleport people. That is two different things. Please go back read my postings.

search "anshe" and "ban" and tell me how many entries pop up.

I really thought the point of land was to build up pretty things and even sell them, wow your neighbors, amaze your friends. I can't imagine a whole lot of people actually need to use SL as not only an online escape, but an online escape within which nobody can possibly touch them.

Why are you going to pay so much in land tier fees when you're the only person allowed to look at your land?

I am started to get pissed off at the home security scripts that keeps killing me when I try to fly to some location.

I can somehow understand a script that has a namelist, and kills those who really have done damage, but to kill everyone is so frigging lame and annoying and against the TOS, as far as I can see it.

Chase,

Yes, close access to land if it is really needed, but killing ppl flying over is wrong in all cases.
I cannot start shooting down a DC 10 that happens to fly over my house either.

I can somehow understand a script that has a namelist, and kills those who really have done damage, but to kill everyone is so frigging lame and annoying and against the TOS, as far as I can see it.

I doubt I would be long in SL if I stood on my land and started to shoot at people who walked or flew over it

So siggy, if its their right, lets make a totally theorical excercise.
I buy my own little plot of land and plant my little own shop on it. Then i get unlucky and i get some really antisocial neightbors all around me, that surround my land with security scripts, that maybe go really high into the air too... result? Access to my land is prevented and my poor little shop goes to hell.

Thing is that those scripts not only prevent access, but they prevent PASSAGE. and if for instance a security script is placed on a big prop, it actually damages all other props of wich it stands in the way towards the nearest telehub.

Common sense and politeness (there shouldnt even be any need to go look at the TOS) say that one can do whatever he wants on his land as soon as it doesnt damage other people that pay for their props as much as he pays for his.

I can understnd denying access, but that is different than killing someone virtually.
If one do not wish anyone to enter, the script should simply act as a wall.
I do not see that anyone have the right to kill people randomly.

It is different of doing this to a person who tend to do damage on ones land, but not everyone.
The script should give a warning if someone stops on the land for to long, but walking towrads an invisible wall and be killed is childish.

So long as SL lacks a road system that grants access to every lot, these scripts killing everyone should not be used

If Linden is not willing to remove these, i shall try to gather a group of the biggest landowners, get a script that kills and add the name of all the killers to that.
Once these people will be practically unable to move within SL, maybe they will take down or atleast configure right their scripts.

A couple of different points - so I'll have to address them seperately..

Jep me too .



The script can't act as a wall - there isn't the functionality to do that (to my knowledge). And the alternatives I see via scripting wouldn't be much better (pushobject isn't limited to just your land for instance - that wouldn't be nice at all).

If one is unable to make a good script, I do not see that a good enough reason to use a bad one. Better have none then, and use the ban features provided by Linden. I am sure if Linden had wished us to kill everything we see they would have added that to the default features.

The key here is they you do not see that anyone has the right.. and thats well and good, but what people wish to make/create/build/script on their own land is outside the bounds of what you personally think.

I do NOT care what people do on their land as long as it do not kill me.

They are free to do that so long as they don't break the TOS... It may be inconvenient - you or I may not personally agree with it, or even like it.. but there is no difference between the freedom you have to build what you like, and the freedom they have to build what THEY like.

Well as we know, TOS is how one read it. If one can get banned for dancing badger I am sure killing people would somehow fit into the harrasment part.



Yeah it may be childish - but it's THEIR RIGHT to be childish if they wish! Now *I* choose to keep a list of who is allowed not allowed to visit my land, and just as someone who owns an island can banish someone - I have opted to build my own functionality using the tools available to do the same for some people..

Yes, they have the right to do what they want on THEIR land, but their actions do not only affect their land, but send me 50 sims away and often crash me. I also read in the TOS that one is not allowed to do harm to others PC, and if something makes me crash, I see one could use this rule

And honestly -- if someone came to me and told me what my script SHOULD do, or what my build SHOULD look like, or what the airspace laws over my land SHOULD be - I'd be inclined to tell them to sodd off.

I doubt anyone will tell you unless it cause extreme lag or do something idiotic. In both cases one should even tell you. If I had a script running that would be harmfull I would apricaite if someone pointed it out to me.



In your opinion...

I could also say that until there is a decrease in Frank Lloyd Wright homes currently in world, Juro Kothari must only make bavarian cottages..

And Juro is within his rights to tell me to go f*ck myself.

In fact If he didn't my opinion of him would drop

I do not see how what type of house you have on your land really have anything to do with this? *shrug*

I'm sorry but the right to build what you want on your land is no different to what I want to do on my land, or anyone else in SL... If some choose to use a script that you don't like - yes, it is inconvenient - maybe it's not configured the way you like.. But they are within their rights to do so - the best you can do is not fly over their land.

In this the big question would be. HOW am i supposed to know that I am not supposed to fly in someones air? When I find out it to late, doh.



It's not that Linden is not willing - more they are unable! If the script doesn't violate the TOS - doesn't crash the grid - or do some other heinous thing, they really don't have any business taking it down.. Look back over some things that DID impact various places in world (the Club Elite saga springs to mind here)... and see what the official party line was on those instances.

Have not looked into that yet.

You're alternative is quite within your rights.. but remember it also puts you in bed with the very thing you don't like...

Sometimes idocy has to be fought with idiocy.

Also seeing how I spend a LOT of time jumping/flying/driving over the world - and I *rarely* run into this.. I can only assume that either the problem isn't as huge as it's being made out to be.. or maybe they DO have a configurable script, and your name may be on it.

I spend some 3 to 7h flying per day. It happens maybe some 4 to 5 times.

My concern is more like if these scripts become more common. It will mean nobody cannot go anywhere. I just wonder why things always have to get out of hands before action is taken, would be better to stop the terrorists in the very beginning.

If my name is on it I would not have an idea why, hence it could also fall under the harrassment rule in TOS.

Siggy.

If one is unable to make a good script, I do not see that a good enough reason to use a bad one. Better have none then, and use the ban features provided by Linden. I am sure if Linden had wished us to kill everything we see they would have added that to the default features.

I do NOT care what people do on their land as long as it do not kill me.

Well as we know, TOS is how one read it. If one can get banned for dancing badger I am sure killing people would somehow fit into the harrasment part.

Yes, they have the right to do what they want on THEIR land, but their actions do not only affect their land, but send me 50 sims away and often crash me. I also read in the TOS that one is not allowed to do harm to others PC, and if something makes me crash, I see one could use this rule

I do not see how what type of house you have on your land really have anything to do with this? *shrug*
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In this the big question would be. HOW am i supposed to know that I am not supposed to fly in someones air? When I find out it to late, doh.

If my name is on it I would not have an idea why, hence it could also fall under the harrassment rule in TOS