Taxation Without Representation?

I read a proposal along the lines of everyone foregoing a certain percentage of their stipend which would go into a pool that would then be redistributed to subsidize events.
And Philip is rumored to be considering this?

I wholeheartedly DISAGREE with this proposal!

In my opinion, this proposal equals nothing more than a TAX that would be collected by the Lindens, THEN redistributed into some form of SL social programs.
The worst part is... I dont get a say in what actually constitutes an event worthy of MY monetary support?
TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION! Pure and Simple.
What is next?
Pork Barrel Politics?

When the financial incentive of Government funded "Social Programs" no longer exists, the requirement to put thought, creativity and effort into HOSTING an event people will WANT to attend for reaons OTHER than monetary gain becomes the norm.

When the financial incentive to ATTEND events no longer exists, the new status quo will be attending events that actually matter to you, as opposed potentially making a quick buck.


NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!
Force the bloated sacks of protoplasm OFF of the WELFARE SYSTEM!
Maybe now the Events List will be populated with something other than the putrid mess it has become!

You know, I agreed with you right up to this point.

What is it with people that think that anyone who wants to be a part of Second Life but doesnt want to create or host or teach is a "bloated sacks of protoplasm".

IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A JOB IN SECOND LIFE!!!!!!

Yes, if you want money to spend, then it has to come from somewhere, and as I've replied in two threads in the last few minutes, I don't agree that people should just expect free money handouts to fund their entertainment. But I'm also not so bigotted as to think that people who want to just come and enjoy themselves are scum.

What you read were a couple of tongue-in-cheek proposals for a progressive income tax to prop up the consumer end of the economy, both in purchasing and in event-management.

And you wrote a propaganda poster about it. tRoLl

Here's what will happen: Businesses in SL will start to sponsor events. Gives the business advertising and gives the event organiser cash. Everyone wins. Baddabing.

It should be.



Lets make a small addition to your statement that you omitted right before the "are scum" and see if you still feel the same way?

Lets add:
WHILE GETTING FREE HANDOUTS

Actually I am merely responding to the rumor that Philip is actually considering such a proposal.

Yes of course I feel the same way! Do you not think I realise what the situation is or something? Are your biased words somehow supposed to change the real situation?

I'm not even going to try and debate it for you, because this kind of narrow little bigotted mindset will not change because of a few words from me or anyone else. That much is obvious. If you care what my thoughts on the subject, then try here.

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Essentially, I feel the same way as you. But I really don't think they're scum. LL offer the allowance. What are they supposed to do? Return it and say no thanks?

As for jobs should be a requirement... thats just pathetic.

Ok buddy, everyone and I mean EVERYONE pays something to play SL, whether it be a one of small payment, or someone like myself with a $75 yearly account, and a $195 a month sim!

I am not agreeing that ppl should get handouts at all... but alot of ppl don't have the creativity or skills to make things to sell for big bucks, wtf do you propose they do huh? (and yes I suck at everything so I AM one of those ppl, fortunately I have savings )

Thank you. Like you, I realize that many people here have real lives and just want to use SL as a convenient place to relax, hang out, and see something different. If SL is not supposed to be friendly to this sort of clientele, then it needs to be made clear to them.

Well, my thought of what Phillip suggested considering is fair. There needs to be a Tax System as in any Economy. The amount of Taxes collected from Players should be based on their income level, this part is my opinion as far as income level. This would contribute to an economical budget to help fund different things that various account holders want and want to keep. Bottom line is, the people that oppose funded Events will still say, "I don't go to Clubs because of this and that, why should I have to pay?" Reality dictates in a real economy that people have to pay certain Taxes that they do not like or want. I don't like paying Personal Property Taxes on my House because I feel I never truely own it, the Government does. Is my view going to change it? I doubt it. It is a big chunk of necessary funding through Taxation to provide other needed things to keep the Economy maintained.

If you label someone as a "Biggot" for not only wanting, but EXPECTING that everyone pull their weight?
BINGO!
Im a biggot in SL for wanting the world RID of the "Free Ride" mindset.
Guess what? Im a BIGGOT IN RL too!

But thats only fair, because I get to label you a liberal weenie.

Just remember, when taxes come, why they came. When people bring up the issue, it has to be addressed. Issue meaning whining about certain issues.

WRONG!
Reality in SL only dictates we need taxes if WE should be expected to fund social programs.
Be social for the joy of being social. Not for the potential money.

And for the record you pay your Property Tax with your tier fees.

IN this game Doctor, it is a Social Program.

so·cial ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sshl)
adj.

Living together in communities.
Of or relating to communal living.
Of or relating to human society and its modes of organization: social classes; social problems; a social issue.
Living together in organized groups or similar close aggregates: Ants are social insects.
Involving allies or members of a confederacy.
Of or relating to the upper classes.

Inclined to seek out or enjoy the company of others; sociable.
Spent in or marked by friendly relations or companionship.
Intended for convivial activities.
Of, relating to, or occupied with matters affecting human welfare: social programs.

If this Taxation Without Representation does come... it will come because of the liberal weenie factor wanting EVERYONE to shoulder the burden of funding social programs.
Its bullshit.
If I dont attend, want to attend, or see a need to attend any of these things, why should I have to pay for it to be held in the first place?

I wasnt around to try and fight sweeping changes when my countrys government was founded, but I am around in SL's relative infancy. And these are sweeping changes.
Social Funding is NOT my problem and Lindens shouldnt MAKE it my problem.

Since it seems to be the fashion to crosspost the same crap to every thread, allow me to respond in every thread...

No way no how!!!

I DO NOT attend events. I DO NOT want to pay for other people to attend events. I DO NOT expect to be penalised for my earning potential to prop up people who want a free ride. I pay $195USD every month for an island that I spend 90% of my time on. The rest of Second Life could not exist and I wouldn't much care. We each play SL our own way. Mine doesnt involve financing yours.

The absolute surest way to make me quit Second Life would be to introduce something like this.

Btw, Doctor, if you notice, I feel much the same way as you, as I have already pointed out. But you're so blinded by your own self interest you havent read any of what I've written or bothered to understand it. Not sure how I'm a tree hugging liberal when I actually agree with you, albeit that you seem to have nothing but contempt for people who like to play the game for fun.

Tell that too your Government, and people represent The Government.

WRONG!

For the love of all that is holy!
DO NOT confuse the "social aspects" of SL with MY money HAVING to fund events I do not wish to attend.

You have the right to choose who you wish to be social with.
You should have the right to choose whether or not to fund activities that people wish to attend. You should vote with your wallet. Not mine.

Blake. For the love of god... this is not the real world. there is no government. we have a privately owned commercial entity, Linden Labs. And hopefully even they won't enforce an unfair tax on us all to pay for freebie entertainment for those who don't want to earn or inject their own cash.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

The many expect free handouts financed by the rest of us, do they? Actually, even though SL has plummeted downhill fast in recent months and the community has gone to shit, I still think you'll find that doesnt hold true.

Only very selfish freeloaders are going to expect that. And I shall be there to tell them where to shove it

This is a mirror of the Real World. It has an Economy, and an Economy without a Budget and Government will faulter; we are the people and Linden Labs is the Government that manages it. Reality of a Virtual Economy is a reflection from real life Economy which dictates necessity.

Well Kris, out of the box you label me as "anything" because I feel that people should be expected to pull their own weight.
You said they were "scum" not me.
Just so you know, we are all sacks of protoplasm, some more boated than others.
But the ones wanting free handouts are far more bloated than the rest of us in my opinion.

Get off my planet! Stop wasting our air! We need it for the INTELLIGENT People.

Jane you magnificently ignorant slut!