Consistent Message: SL is/isn't a game

Nolan, you can stop with the "they" business.

I've made my points about the personal attacks, and also about the problem of a Linden correcting a player on his terminology.

It's not my goal to batter these people into the ground, and yet, that is what happens when I stay in the debate, and keep reiterating my points.

Nobody has done a crime big enough to deserve any more battering from me; they've already received more than enough. And so that I don't dish out any more in the course of staying in the debate, I'm going to exit.

coco

P.S. Exactly, Jillian. I'm agreeing with you on that. And also that the Lindens can and should make it clear to the public that it isn't a game in the EQ sense of the word.

Nolan, you can stop with the "they" business.

It's not my goal to batter these people into the ground, and yet, that is what happens when I stay in the debate, and keep reiterating my points.

What follows is the perspective of a person new to SL, who doesn't know any of the people on this thread, in game or out of game.

I think that SL falls comfortably within the realm of online games, and also within the loosely defined concept denoted by the word "game." Jake Reitveld was right to cite a dictionary definition. It was pertinent here. Anyone who insists on a more narrow definition for the word needs to cite some sort of authority for that.

It bothers me that the Lindens want to call SL "... a platform that is used to create content, socialize and network and allow residents to monetize their efforts by selling their content and/or services."

That just sounds really unattractive to me, especially the part about creating content and selling it and services. I don't know, it just seems kind of cold, and makes me wonder if I want to hang around SL much longer. Perhaps it is not the absence of the word "game" that bothers me so much, so much as it is the absence of other words like "play" or "entertainment," or "relax," or "fun."

I visit online games to seek play, entertainment, relaxation, enjoyment. For me in SL, that includes the fun of playing around with building, texturing, or scripting. I suppose to someone else, the same activity would be called content creation, and it could then be "monetized," whatever that means, exactly. It wouldn't bother me if others treat it seriously, as long as they don't prevent me from having some of my own fun, in the process.

However, if the proprietors of SL have a view of this place, that is primarily business-oriented, and it is really about helping people make real money selling one other goods and services, then I don't think I want to be here. Well, I expect the Lindens to be about business, since they are running one. But I'm not very interested if their primary offering to me is a business platform. I'd much rather play a game.

I think the concerns of Catherine Cotton and Cocoanut Koala are valid, and those individuals should be treated with respect. I don't see that happening in this thread. Instead, I see a rather disturbing display of bullying by a number of people. I can completely understand why both Catherine and Cocoanut have been driven to yelling in frustration. They've made some good points, expressed some valid concerns, but they're simply being dismissed, and condescended to. No one else has to agree with them, just treat them with respect.

Oh goodie!

I've now been around long enough to have "history."

In the past, when as a newer player I went to the defense of people getting piled upon for no good reason, I was told there was a "history" I was unaware of, and the inference was, if I just knew that "history," and how horrible those people really were, then I'd jump on the pile, too.

It is because I won't jump on it - and ONLY because of this - that I am on the bottom of the same pile.

I just wanted to take a moment to thank Pendari, Weedy, Enabran, Ardith and Cris for making such excellent points! (In other words, your TOPS - because you agree with me!)

Thank you!

Hugs-n-kisses,

Friends for all time, Nolan Nash

And if it is true, that no one ever receives warnings when they make clear and unwarranted personal attacks and character assasinations against other posters, then I will lose faith entirely in the Lindens, and consider that perhaps we might be better off with legal assistance.

Legal action for Forum posts? Even Judge Judy would toss that crap out. LOL

There *is* a history here you don't know about. But knowing that history should never make you be or say what you would not otherwise. That was *never* what people told you. No. You should learn history so you know who *we* are. But honestly, I feel you don't give a flip about us, so I don't think you ever will.

No. It is because you are full of sell pity, ignorance, and a holier than thou attitude. You refuse for even a moment to think anyone that disagree's with you could *possibly* have a point. You sling insults and threats like they were candy. You do not respect other people, you do not allow others to have an opinion, you contantly remind us of how wrong we are and how right you are, and you never stop complaining.

That is why people may not like you. It is at least why I have grown to not like you. Even though I tried. And hell, I like everyone.

Don't worry about most new people Coco. Most everyone will like "them" just fine (as history proves). Worry about yourself. Worry about why people may not like *you* if you must. But most other "new" people will be just fine. Because they (meaning most new / old / general population of people) don't have an attitude of "Everyone sucks but me" like you seem to.

Sorry everyone. But I'm just sick of Coco condecending everyone and spreading such horrid negativity. I had to say something!

Thanks Eboni!

Hugs!

This is what I call a personal attack.

I AM you Pendari.

You plural, Pendari.

As in, "you need to learn the history of who *we* are."

As in, "you will never give a flip about us."

It isn't a handful of you and everybody you happen to like, and those are the people who own the forums, and I'm not a part of that.

I am part of you.

As is every subscriber who wishes to post on these forums. Without, I might add, personal attack or piling on.

All are equal.

coco

I will just report them.