Bann Christmas at Schools in the United States? What's next?

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I am soooooooo converting from Judaism over to Chinesity.

True..there are alot of Evangelistic Idiots out there and hypocrites telling people.."God told me that If I don't take this amount of offering in that he will take my life" kind of shit..namely from Oral Roberts. Or Jimmy Swaggart teaching religion then going out and F*cking a prostitute or the Jim and Tammy Baker issue where Jim took all these peoples money from them investing in their properties. Maybe if the government sponsered Television they wouldn't be on TV either..hmm..matter of fact..Presidential Elections have been sponsering Television..maybe Religious shows should be taken off of TV as well?

*Ponders*

Why do I feel like I'm trolling by actually replying to the orginal topic Oh well here it goes....

I don't think they should bann xmas from schools, however, those with religions that don't celebrate xmas shouldn't be forced too. With that being said, I think children...at least elementary children (and i can say this cause I have a 6th grader at home) don't look at xmas as a religious holiday anyways. They look at it as Santa, Reindeers, Candy, Snow and most important PRESENTS!. By trying to take away that choice will be hurtful to alot of kids.


Just my thoughts.

Huggerz,
MJ

Agreed. It's all in how someone wants to look at it. Christmas=Santa Claus or Christmas=Religion or Christmas=Just a good time to Party and get Drunk.

Get rid of all the holidays.

Just another whining Christian complaining about how hard it is to prosthelytize. Honestly, come back then someone has nailed you to a wooden stake and we'll talk about it.

Otherwise, go back to celebrating your religion with booze, excessive spending and tree worship. Just don't do it in the schools.

I no more want to indoctrinate my children in ritual consumerism than I do in ritual religion. Have your celebrations at home. Leave school for teaching things that matter, like history, science, math, and launguage skills.

Dude, you really have no grasp of the difference between state action and private action. "Piece of shit world"? I know a really quick fix for that and from what I hear Jesus is waiting for you (unless Jesus doesn't forgive felo-de-se, but he never told me)

Well the majority of people here do not believe in god as posted on another topic. So I expected I would get flamed. lol.

Whether or not someone believes in God isn't the issue. Separation is a good thing, and it protects YOU as much as it does US.

'Article the First: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' The establishment and free exercise clauses of the first amendment to the constitution. This is a fundamental principle of the United States. Learn it.

By the way.... the motto of the United States is 'e Pluribus Unum.' NOT 'In God We Trust.' That was only widely added to currency in the 1950's.

Key Word Prohibiting

As for the Motto..I never said it was. It is on U.S. Currency.

Actually the key words are 'respecting' and 'establishment.'

IGWT wasn't on currency at large until the late 1950's. Prior to that, it was found only on a few coins, and even then it wasn't mandatory. (Putting it on coins wasn't a congressional issue... the treasury secretary could establish it. It wasn't mandatory on coins until 1908 and wasn't established on currency in general until congress decided to placate Joe McCarthy.)

Referring to this Issue the key word is Prohibit. Because the Issue is Prohibiting Christmas in schools. But then there is also the issue of Seperation of Church and State and what the original definition was mean't to be. Can be construed as contridictory depending on peoples opinion or definition thereof. That's why it's a big dabate.

No.... it's a big debate because christians think they have an inherent right to prostelytize and to have government endorse their religious beliefs.

Christmas isn't being prohibited.... its promotion by an agency of the secular state is being removed. What you want to do on your own time is your own business.

Atheist are not closing down churches, banning bibles or imprisoning people for discussing Christianity to a non-captive audience in this country. There are no laws preventing you from holding a prayer group in your home or even from walking over to your neighbors house to sermonize (though your neighbor does have a perfect right to ask you to leave - I most certaintly would).

Christians are however, closing strip clubs, sex shops and banning or criminalizing the sale of sexual aids. Christians are banning books and have even burned them in the [recent] past. Christians have bombed planned parenthood clinics and have killed doctors and nurses.

If you don't want to be associated with this type of extreme fundamentalism as a Christian, then make it clear to everyone that you do not condone it.

I find great irony in your religion oriented posts considering that you initially introduced yourself to SL as a Male Dancer for Hire and that you are married and have SL relationships outside of that marriage.

Note that I am not moralizing about this as I really don't care what someone does in the privacy of their mature sim. Nevertheless, if you strictly adhere to the fundamentalist ideals of Christianity, then your SL activity should be reconsidered.

If you don't live within ideals of Christianity - then you are a Cafeteria Christian.

Which ever way it is - my point is: Don't hold me to your standards and ideals and I won't hold you to them either.

Here's a question for you Blake... why are Christians so hell bent on having Christmas in public schools when they know it excludes and offends a lot of people? Is it because you enjoy offending people or because you don't care if you do or not? Is it because you're afraid if your kids don't praise jesus for six hours a day god won't like them anymore? Is it because you want to proselytize to people who are asking you politely not to? Is it because you can't think of any other reasons to hand out cookies and candy that would include everyone? Is it because you simply can't stand the fact that you share this country with people from diverse cultures and belief systems and want to force them to adopt yours? Is there a single good reason for having Christmas in public schools that is rational and free of arrogance and has more substance than "because we like it and if you don't, well tough shit"?

I fail to see that in the Constitution or Seperation of Church and State..your point is based on opinion which this whole debate is. In my opinion most embrace Christmas as a time of giving and sharing..the Celebration of Christs Birth can be acknowleged in Church or in the privacy of your own home. I believe the Celebration itself in schools is not based on the Religious aspect as so many left wing liberals try to make it out to be. *Gets ready for another flame* but based on Santa Clause..Christmas Trees and giving Gifts.

Santa Claus is a fusion of St. Nicholas and Christkindlein, the Christ child. It doesn't stop being Christian mythology just because you dress it in a velvet suit and pull it behind reindeer.

And you have the right to believe this, but many don't believe what you do.

What if we celebrated Hanukkah in school every year instead of Christmas. And Christians were left out. I'm sure you'd be severely upset.

One can always put things in an Extreme Perspective.

If I lived in Isreal I would understand. I also understand your point. If I lived in Russia I would understand..and would not expect them to Celebrate Christmas. If it extremely upset me..I would not be there. And I would not take offense at the Russian people for what they Celebrate. I would however miss my homeland Celebrations im sure. But I may also enjoy the Russians Celebrations without Prejudice.

goddamn you come up with some gems

LOL Lecktor..hehe..where's them damn sheep at? I want to Celebrate Sheep!

So, once again, you are saying that the United States and christianity are one and the same? The United States is one of the most diverse countries in the world, especially if you consider that most of it's inhabitants are decended from emigrants that arrived on these shores not all that long ago, historically speaking.

There are many, many non-christian born and living in the U.S. Blake. It's not the "Official National Religion"! In fact, it not being shoved down our throats is one of the few things that seperate us from many other countries that have very little tolerance and individual freedoms (such as Iraq).

Gee, I guess you didn't notice that I wasn't laughing. I find your last two threads extremely naive and offensive, absolutely nothing to laugh at here.

What difference does it make whether you're here or in Israel?

The law is 'no government endorsement of religion.' The fact that other nations don't have this clause (although most do these days) doesn't change anything. We're talking about the United States and we have a secular state that keeps itself completely separate from religion here. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Great.... you want christmas celebrated. Since you don't have a problem with state endorsements of religion, let's throw in a saturnalia orgy as well.... why not? Apparently there's nothing wrong with the state endorsing religion.