Bann Christmas at Schools in the United States? What's next?

So?

Thats the problem.... you thought. Polls are unreliable at best.

Oh well that's alright then. Assuming that to be true, you're only insulting and disrespecting the other 87,908,271 of them!

So what?

- Ace

First, you have to find a way of uniting the one hundred zillion Christian sects in the USA.
As you may know, most Protestants don't see eye to eye with Catholics. And even within Protestants, there is a new church founded every day, with their own interpretation of the bible. Good luck.

Even in Mexico, where the population is 99.5 percent Catholic, there is a strict separation of church and state, to a degree where the church is NOT allowed to own property, or prayer in the schools. They learned their lesson of the church having political power, the hard way...

- T -

If the Poll are false..then this certainly wouldn't be an Issue in the U.S right now. Anything is debatable. If you don't believe in God..I don't disrespect you or anyone..I respect those that put thier lives on the line to defend that right of Freedom.

/moonwalk

Callate pendejo !!

What in the fuck are you babbling about.....whose life is on the line in this religous bullshit?

The thing is you can do this privately, but when the school or teachers start openly celebrating it and having things such as a Christmas party. (We had them in school) and the kids who didn't celebrate Christmas were left out .. this is definetly not fair. Push it in a private school.

Even China practices separation of state and religion:

Freedom of Religious Belief in China

Information Office of the State Council
Of the People's Republic of China
October 1997, Beijing

China has the following national religious organizations: Buddhist Association of China, Taoist Association of China, Islamic Association of China, Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, Chinese Catholic Bishops' College, Three-Self Patriotic Movement Committee of the Protestant Churches of China, and China Christian Council.

Religious leaders and leading organs of the various religious bodies are selected and ordained in accordance with their own regulations.

Religious organizations in China run their own affairs independently and set up religious schools, publish religious classics and periodicals, and run social services according to their own needs. As in many other countries, China practices the principle of separating religion from education; religion is not a subject taught in schools of the popular education in China, although some institutions of higher learning and research institutes do teach or conduct research into religion.

The various religious schools and institutes set up by the different religious organizations teach religious knowledge in line with their own needs. All normal clerical activities conducted by the clergy and all normal religious activities held either at sites for religious activities or in believers' own homes in accordance with usual religious practices, such as worshipping Buddha, reciting scriptures, going to church, praying, preaching, observing Mass, baptising, monkhood initiation, fasting, celebrating religious festivals, observing extreme unction, and holding memorial ceremonies, are protected by law as the affairs of religious bodies and believers themselves and may not be interfered with.



Why do Christians always make blanket statements that carry things to an extreme that will never happen? I'm not trying to take away your right to practice Christianity, all I ask is that you Mr. Christian, not shove it down my throat. I don't want your censorship on what I watch or what I read. I don't want your censorship on the relationship I have with my doctor. I don't want your censorship on the scientific community and I don't want to hear your "message of love".

I know of NO instances where a Christian was taken from their parents and put into an "atheist " School and made to live in an "atheist " home to assure that the child became atheist . I do however have personal experience with this happening in reverse. It happened to a member of my family. He was forcably removed from the reservation, taken from his mother and put into a Christian boarding school so that he would not learn "heathen" practices.

Why can't you just go to church like a good little boy and stay the f**k out of my life?

I missed flakey's drama!!

Flakey Flakey... be careful what you say!!!! haven't you learnt by my mistake!

Well..maybe Im not like some people..but again..If I was in China..and they were having a Celebration..I would not be offended..nor would I not participate..I would particpate and enjoy it..and eat drink and be Merry..no matter what. Someone pass the Eggnog please..double Vodka. lol.

I think they should ban it until they start accepting the pagan roots of Christmas. Until then it is just deceptive to children I think. hehe

Of course then I still wouldn't want it in the schools because it still has religious roots. Of course so does Halloween and Easter (both also with pagan roots), Valentines Day and St. Patricks Day (both catholic and some pagan roots). And I'm sure there are some other holidays that are slipping my mind right now.

The only holidays I think are fine for United States schools are Thanksgiving, Memorial Day, and any other political holidays that have their roots in the US and are not based from any religion.

That's my extreme opinion though. And for the record. I celebrate all these holidays with my family, but we just have different perspectives of how and why we celebrate them.

Nope..can't Celebrate Thanksgiving either..because the Pilgrims gave thanks to God for the Food provided LOL! Lets just do away with Holidays..then maybe everyone will be happy. The Great Pontius Pilot has spoken. Nail that man to the Cross!

Doesn't matter if they did or did not do that. The purpose of Thanksgiving is a celebration of our coming to this new world. It is a political celebration. Public Schools are Government Schools. Therefore I am fine with any "Government" holidays being in them. If I do not want my child to be in a Government School, I would send them to Private School or Homeschool them. There *are* options.

I'm all for doing away with holidays. Just have national days off. People can use them to celebrate whatever they want.

In reality, this is not a bad idea at all. For a short time I worked for a company based out of South Africa and their policy was to give their employees 6 weeks of holiday leave that you could take at anytime you wanted. So if you wanted Christmas off, you could use the leave at that time, the same held true if you wanted Chanukaha or some other holiday.

It was a very nice policy.

Nope can't do that either..some may not believe in it. Veterans Day? hmm..nope..a Facist may not believe in it..hmm..lets see there are others too..the Majority may have to vote on this..hmm..or have they already? Oh..doesn't matter..somebody somewhere may not like the National Holiday either..nope..no National Holidays.

Reductio ad absurdum

BRILLIANT

<<Bann Christmas at Schools in the United States? What's next?>>

Umm, banning the teaching of evolution? And some 60%+ of the cro-magnons in the good Ol' U. S. of A think this is a good idea. But they are wrong. Simply, basically, factually, utterly wrong - as wrong as if they wanted to expunge the heliocentric model of the solar system or teach Aristotelian physics.

My daughter goes to an splendid public elementary school. They no longer have Christ in their Saturnalia, but they are going on a field trip to some xmas thingy at a nearby parochial school. What ought I do?

Okay, I'm selfish, I opted for (c).

And in case you are wondering, I have no religion. But did go carrolling with my public high-school choral group which was about 80% non-christian and had a blast; but I also had a choice about my participation.

Well this Thread has been a Riot! Interesting topic. In closing..do what the hell you want..I don't care..because I will do the same and enjoy what's left of this piece of shit world. Hmm..maybe that's why I practically live in Secondlife after all. Oh..and don't forget to take down the goddamn forced Prim Christmas Trees all over Secondlife..someone may be forced into flying by them. LOL!

Glad you enjoyed royally pissing me off.

Guess what? Sorry to dissapoint you, but you can't force christianity on people in SL either. Do you see LL forcing folks to worhsip Christ or take part in religious observances? Do you see LL pronouncing that Christianity is the one true religion? Guess SL must be a piece of shit virtual world huh?

I do agree with you that the World is going down the tubes. However it's because of narrow-mined, judgemental, self righteous, holier-than-thou, evangilistic idiots, and not those that believe in individual freedoms, seperation of church and state, freedom of religion, freedom of speech common sense, and physically evident science.