What does the Christian God want from us?
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-25-2005 10:01
From: Dianne Mechanique There is just so much wrong with this sentence ... and the funny part is it's almost certainly unintentional on your part. Parochialism, mixed metaphors, hyperbole, paternalist (sexist) language and outright misinformation in 13 words or less!  You said, what I've been thinking. Thanks.  ~Ulrika~
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Kevn Klein
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10-25-2005 10:22
From: Dianne Mechanique There is just so much wrong with this sentence ... and the funny part is it's almost certainly unintentional on your part. Parochialism, mixed metaphors, hyperbole, paternalist (sexist) language and outright misinformation in 13 words or less!  I am guessing that you are a white, American, Christian oriented male? Aww, I know you are feeling left out. I love you too Dianne, don't be jealous
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Kurgan Asturias
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10-25-2005 11:40
From: Dianne Mechanique There is just so much wrong with this sentence ... and the funny part is it's almost certainly unintentional on your part. Parochialism, mixed metaphors, hyperbole, paternalist (sexist) language and outright misinformation in 13 words or less!  I am guessing that you are a white, American, Christian oriented male? <sarcasm> The United States of America is a conglomeration of individuals from numerous locales of the planet Earth who embrace a plethora of religions; from the most primitive evidenced to the most modern enthusiasms in religious factions (that the Homo sapien populace of said planet has knowledge of)... Wow, look at that, it has changed the entire meaning of the sentence. I am not sure that the uneducated masses would have gotten the true meaning of the original author's intent. </sarcasm> From: Kevn Klein The USA is a melting pot with nearly every religion known to man represented How is this Parochialism? I can't find an ounce of it in this quote... Is there a single religion that is NOT allowed in the USA? If I drive a car at 100.25 km/h, am I wrong in answering someone asking "How fast you going?" with "I'm doing 100"? Will they misunderstand what I was saying / meaning? Doubtful... And where exactly is the misinformation?
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Seth Kanahoe
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10-25-2005 13:00
Gawd, these Christians! Can't make a strong woman bend her knees, so they remind her of her barefoot "duties" and try to get into her pants - in a literary sense. Give it a fucking rest. You can't destroy her credibility by reminding the world of her gender, or yours. 
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-25-2005 13:22
From: Kurgan Asturias <sarcasm> I respond to no post that uses the tired HTML-tag cliché. ~Ulrika~
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Kevn Klein
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10-25-2005 13:23
From: Seth Kanahoe Gawd, these Christians! Can't make a strong woman bend her knees, so they remind her of her barefoot "duties" and try to get into her pants - in a literary sense. Give it a fucking rest. You can't destroy her credibility by reminding the world of her gender, or yours.  If you are right why are you defending her credibility? I don't see anyone trying to bend a woman, but I'm not above trying, she's cute 
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-25-2005 13:53
From: Kevn Klein I don't see anyone trying to bend a woman, but I'm not above trying, she's cute  There it is.  A self-proclaimed Christian making crude sexual remarks on a public forum. Looks like you'll have something for confession this weekend. Misogyny aside, I find it amazing how much you're like Billy Grace. Despite being a devout Christain he too engaged in a lot of crude sexual banter in the forums. You two should really hook up. You could reinforce each other's mysticisms while sexually assaulting each other in the forum. *shiver* ~Ulrika~
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Kurgan Asturias
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10-25-2005 14:28
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I respond to no post that uses the tired HTML-tag cliché.
~Ulrika~ Really, is that all it takes to evade a repsonse from you? I figured it would take a lot more than that from the intelligent responses I have seen from you so far. 
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-25-2005 14:59
From: Kurgan Asturias I figured it would take a lot more than that from the intelligent responses I have seen from you so far.  I reply to no posts which attempt reverse psychology. ~Ulrika~
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Kevn Klein
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10-25-2005 19:39
From: Ulrika Zugzwang There it is.  A self-proclaimed Christian making crude sexual remarks on a public forum. Looks like you'll have something for confession this weekend. Misogyny aside, I find it amazing how much you're like Billy Grace. Despite being a devout Christain he too engaged in a lot of crude sexual banter in the forums. You two should really hook up. You could reinforce each other's mysticisms while sexually assaulting each other in the forum. *shiver* ~Ulrika~ Stop playing hard to get. Come on, smile, it suits you better 
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Juro Kothari
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10-25-2005 20:30
From: Kevn Klein Stop playing hard to get. Come on, smile, it suits you better  ROFL - Kevn, a wise man knows his mental and physical limits - and let me tell you, Ulrika is WAY beyond yours. Between you and I, I think she's really Æon Flux, but I cannot prove it.... yet. 
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Kevn Klein
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10-26-2005 07:04
From: Juro Kothari ROFL - Kevn, a wise man knows his mental and physical limits - and let me tell you, Ulrika is WAY beyond yours. Between you and I, I think she's really Æon Flux, but I cannot prove it.... yet.  Juro, I sense a bit of jealousy from you. Between you and me, I think she likes me more than than she likes you. Does she follow you around through several threads? 
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-26-2005 07:56
Oooh! Pretty letter.  ~Ulrika~
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Juro Kothari
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10-26-2005 10:50
From: Kevn Klein Juro, I sense a bit of jealousy from you. Between you and me, I think she likes me more than than she likes you. Does she follow you around through several threads?  Oh dear. Kevn, don't take her stalking you through the forums as a 'like'. Much like the great African Lion, she stalks her prey, waiting for the perfect moment to pounce on the unsuspecting prey. You have been warned.
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Kevn Klein
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10-26-2005 10:53
From: Juro Kothari Oh dear. Kevn, don't take her stalking you through the forums as a 'like'. Much like the great African Lion, she stalks her prey, waiting for the perfect moment to pounce on the unsuspecting prey. You have been warned. Juro, I'm not hiding. I hope she pounces. meow.....
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Juro Kothari
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10-26-2005 10:58
From: Kevn Klein Juro, I'm not hiding. I hope she pounces. meow..... Mr. Mantis made the same fateful decision, Kevn, and look at him now.
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Kevn Klein
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10-26-2005 11:16
From: Juro Kothari Mr. Mantis made the same fateful decision, Kevn, and look at him now. 'shrug' I don't know who Mr. Mantis is. Are you suggesting I should fear her? It would be ashame people would fear giving an opinion on these forums for fear another poster would try to intimidate. I'm sure she wants all opinions expressed freely.
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Juro Kothari
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10-26-2005 11:22
From: Kevn Klein 'shrug' I don't know who Mr. Mantis is. Are you suggesting I should fear her? It would be ashame people would fear giving an opinion on these forums for fear another poster would try to intimidate. I'm sure she wants all opinions expressed freely. Mr. Mantis - the little creature that is so blinded by adoration (and hormones) he's willing to ignore his impending demise just to get some. 
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Kevn Klein
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10-26-2005 11:24
From: Juro Kothari Mr. Mantis - the little creature that is so blinded by adoration (and hormones) he's willing to ignore his impending demise just to get some.  Get some?!?!? eeeek!!!!! 
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Seth Kanahoe
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10-26-2005 11:25
Of course the other part of this is the sad need of some men to "own" women who have overpowered them in some way.
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Kevn Klein
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10-26-2005 11:36
From: Seth Kanahoe Of course the other part of this is the sad need of some men to "own" women who have overpowered them in some way. Seth, The other, other part of this is the sad need of some PEOPLE to try to intimidate others into holding their opinion for fear of a personal attack by bullies, whether the bully is male or female. Can't we all have fun and share ideas? A little levity is good for everyone, but it shouldn't become personal attacks. Anywho, me is busy. Be back in a bit.
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Juro Kothari
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10-26-2005 12:01
I saw no bullying going on - everyone is welcome to share thier opinions, but one should be prepared to get some pushback for opinions that are unpopular. Doesn't mean you can't express them though.
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What does the Xian god want from us?
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Kurgan Asturias
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10-26-2005 16:19
Since this was never answered in whole, I thought I would give it a shot... From: David Valentino Here's a few more:
Does he really want us to accept things with no evidence? No. All one has to do is look around to see evidence. Many have said that the Bible is nothing but a myth, collection of fables, or some power hungry mans attempt to gather a following. However, if you believe in what archaeologists are finding, the Bible stories are being proven historically correct. In fact, the Smithsonian Institute has said these interesting things when they were asked about the historicity of the Bible: ... In short, it is impossible to verify the actual events recorded in the Biblical account of the flood. On the other hand, much of the Bible, in particular the historical books of the old testament, are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archeological work. For the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed. This is not to say that names of all peoples and places mentioned can be identified today, or that every event as reported in the historical books happened exactly as stated. There are conflicts between present archeological evidence and historical reports that may result from a lack of information on our part or from misunderstandings or mistakes by the ancient writers. ...
from Smithsonian Article
For more interesting reading (from a neutral point of view), check out Talk:Creation science/Phantym rewrite proposalBut to really know Him is to have a personal relationship with Him. Things that were generally scoffed at and berated became clear for my personal beliefs once I found that relationship. That does not mean that I do not still have questions, or that I do not continue to search for answers. From: David Valentino Does he want us to be dumb and weak-willed? Then why give us such great curiosity and imagination. I mean, why tell us we have to believe, instead of just showing up for a monthly conference or something? Why is curiosity and imagination make one weak-willed? There are Christian scientists all over the world. Even Darwin believed in a creator: Last words of Origin of Species, Charles Darwin (1859) There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved. From: David Valentino Seems like the Old Testiment was full of miraculous things occuring and gods voice and angels and such. We could sure use some of that now. Maybe have him give a spanking to certain individuals with far too much power and far to little morality. We have miracles happen all the time. Just because some choose not to recognize them does not mean that they do not happen. But, it is up to God to decide what miracles will happen. I don't think that some folks would be left on this little rock if miracles were left up to humans. Just look at almost any TV evangelist, power corrupts, and if we humans had the ability to decide, we would corrupt miracles as well. From: David Valentino Why all the other suns? Why such a big universe? Or do we not believe that there really are billions of suns? I am not sure why this comes into question. Should we ask why trees have so many leaves? Why couldn't the tree just have one leaf and photosynthesize from it alone? It is all part of the beauty the Lord has made for us to enjoy. From: David Valentino What's up with the platipus? It seems that God did not want us to be able to put everything into our own little boxes  I am sure we will find more interesting things like this as time goes on as well... Here are some links on it: Answers in GenesisApologetics PressHyper HistoryRevolution Against EvolutionTalk of OriginsFrom: David Valentino How in the heck did Jesus dying make our sins forgivable? If anything, it should have had the opposite effect. It was His ultimate sacrifice for us. God has said that if you can not follow the ten commandments (let alone the Levitical laws), which none of us humans can fulfill, that you will not be allowed into Heaven without an atoning sacrifice. He took the penalty for us, willingly, by sacrificing Himself. He had His Father look away from Him instead of us. The ten commandments were given to us to know that we can not live a life in God's eyes without Him. Jesus made it real easy for us not only to live that life, but gave us a way to have a loving relationship with Him. From: David Valentino If there really was only Adam and Eve, and they had two sons, Cain and Abel, how did the species continue. I am still not completely clear on this one myself. The only answer is incest. But then I don't understand the whole pre-flood story either. Who are the 'sons of God'? Were they angles as some purport? If so, does that mean that angles can come to us, have a sexual relationship, and produce off-spring? Or is it a split of the genealogy of Cain and Seth (Cain being the sons of men, Seth being the sons of God)? I have seen good arguments both ways... From: David Valentino Whats with all the mixed messages in the Old Testiment (and some in the new)? Really...do you want us to be killers, lovers or dupes? We are to be lovers of our neighbors. The act of killing is quite different than the act of murder. Defense is not an act of murder. This is not a call to excuse what the US has done in the world either, so don't go there. God commanded that some humans were to be killed. He also caused the flood. He also killed others: 2 Samuel 6:7 (AMP) 7 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for touching the ark, and he died there by the ark of God.
The answer to your question is: we need to love both our friends and our enemies as Jesus said, for no man knows another's heart, so no man can judge another. From: David Valentino Whats up with Satan? He seems to be winning easily. Maybe you should tone down his powers a bit. He is only winning in those that allow him to win. We all have the power to withstand him, even while in his domain here on Earth. But, remember that this is not our final destination. Many think of death as a finality, but the Bible is clear that this is not the case.
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10-26-2005 18:03
The first question you must ask yourself, before you get onto the others is the following: Is the world the way it seems to be, or is it's true nature other than appears to analysis (read "science"  ? If the second, then no amount of scientific analysis will move you forward an inch, except materially, within the world. I believe the second, and this at rock bottom is the huge unbridgeable divide between the religious/non religious person, between the believer/atheist. Once you admit the possibility that things might be other than they seem, then a whole universe of argument and discourse becomes irrelevant at a stroke. The question ceases to be "what can I deduce from appearances". It becomes "why and by whom have appearances been falsified" this is a much subtler question than any scientific investigation, and involves careful examination of the nature of one's own consciousness and reality, rather than conducting experiments in physics. If only those who berate the religious would understand: WE BELIEVE THE APPEARANCES YOU SO SLAVISHLY EXAMINE AND ANALYSE AND BASE YOUR ARGUMENTS UPON TO BE AN ILLUSION. Think about it. Does that explain our otherwise-so-obvious idiocy and irrationality ? The idiocy all you "rational" people so love to deride ? If you want to talk to me about fundamentals you must address this question of the possibility of falsification of appearance, by whom (or what) and for what purpose. If we believe seeking an explanation to be a meaningful activity, we "religious" seek something veiled, concealed behind the superficial appearance of the material world. Bit more difficult than getting a physics degree, huh ? Until you understand and address this as the root difference between the religious and the non-religious, you are totally unable to discuss/debate with the religious, because you have no common premise. Just wasting hot air.
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