9-11 Conspiracy Theorists
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Billybob Goodliffe
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09-01-2006 13:51
From: Richie Waves FRom Amazon
Book Description
The attacks of September 11, 2001, were accomplished through an amazing orchestration of logistics and personnel. Crossing the Rubicon discovers and identifies key suspects-finding some of them in the highest echelons of American government-by showing how they acted in concert to guarantee that the attacks produced the desired result.
Crossing the Rubicon is unique not only for its case-breaking examination of 9/11, but for the breadth and depth of its world picture-an interdisciplinary analysis of petroleum, geopolitics, narcotraffic, intelligence and militarism-without which 9/11 cannot be understood.
The US manufacturing sector has been mostly replaced by speculation on financial data whose underlying economic reality is a dark secret. Hundreds of billions of dollars in laundered drug money flow through Wall Street each year from opium and coca fields maintained by CIA-sponsored warlords and US-backed covert paramilitary violence. America's global dominance depends on a continually turning mill of guns, drugs, oil and money. Oil and natural gas-the fuels that make economic growth possible-are subsidized by American military force and foreign lending.
In reality, 9/11 and the resulting "war on terror" are parts of a massive authoritarian response to an emerging economic crisis of unprecedented scale. Peak Oil-the beginning of the end for our industrial civilization-is driving the elites of American power to implement unthinkably draconian measures of repression, warfare and population control. Crossing the Rubicon is more than a story. It is a map of the perilous terrain through which, together and alone, we are all now making our way.
Michael C. Ruppert is the publisher and editor of From the Wilderness, a newsletter read by more than 16,000 subscribers in 40 countries. A former Los Angeles Police Department narcotics investigator, he is widely known for his groundbreaking stories on US involvement in the drug trade, Peak Oil and 9/11.
About the Author
Mike Ruppert is the Publisher/Editor of From the Wilderness, a newsletter read by more than 16,000 subscribers in 40 countries. A former LAPD narcotics investigator, he is widely known for his groundbreaking stories on US involvement in the drug trade, Peak Oil and 9/11. His video on the latter, The Truth and Lies About 9-11, has sold more than 10,000 copies. *yawn* sorry not drinking the koolaid on that one, zOMG I think he's Micheal Moore's alt. I don't think he has any understanding of economics if he thinks our whole economy is based on CIA drug deals like that says
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Billybob Goodliffe
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09-01-2006 13:53
From: Alex Fitzsimmons I'm not taking the word of one man ... the book quotes from quite a variety of verifiable sources, even drawing from mainstream media reports at times, believe it or not. Especially in the chapter on pre-9/11 insider trading. If his case just consisted of "because I said so," of course I would reject it. Don't trivialize me so much, Billy -- I'm a little smarter than that.  Anyway, you're right about one thing: the debate is over, at least for me. yet you are ignoring what everyone else has posted here because of that book's "facts", don't trivialize us that way.
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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Join date: 28 Dec 2004
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09-01-2006 13:53
From: Richie Waves FRom Amazon
Book Description
The attacks of September 11, 2001, were accomplished through an amazing orchestration of logistics and personnel. Crossing the Rubicon discovers and identifies key suspects-finding some of them in the highest echelons of American government-by showing how they acted in concert to guarantee that the attacks produced the desired result.
Crossing the Rubicon is unique not only for its case-breaking examination of 9/11, but for the breadth and depth of its world picture-an interdisciplinary analysis of petroleum, geopolitics, narcotraffic, intelligence and militarism-without which 9/11 cannot be understood.
The US manufacturing sector has been mostly replaced by speculation on financial data whose underlying economic reality is a dark secret. Hundreds of billions of dollars in laundered drug money flow through Wall Street each year from opium and coca fields maintained by CIA-sponsored warlords and US-backed covert paramilitary violence. America's global dominance depends on a continually turning mill of guns, drugs, oil and money. Oil and natural gas-the fuels that make economic growth possible-are subsidized by American military force and foreign lending.
In reality, 9/11 and the resulting "war on terror" are parts of a massive authoritarian response to an emerging economic crisis of unprecedented scale. Peak Oil-the beginning of the end for our industrial civilization-is driving the elites of American power to implement unthinkably draconian measures of repression, warfare and population control. Crossing the Rubicon is more than a story. It is a map of the perilous terrain through which, together and alone, we are all now making our way.
Michael C. Ruppert is the publisher and editor of From the Wilderness, a newsletter read by more than 16,000 subscribers in 40 countries. A former Los Angeles Police Department narcotics investigator, he is widely known for his groundbreaking stories on US involvement in the drug trade, Peak Oil and 9/11.
About the Author
Mike Ruppert is the Publisher/Editor of From the Wilderness, a newsletter read by more than 16,000 subscribers in 40 countries. A former LAPD narcotics investigator, he is widely known for his groundbreaking stories on US involvement in the drug trade, Peak Oil and 9/11. His video on the latter, The Truth and Lies About 9-11, has sold more than 10,000 copies. I guess it didn't occur to me to quote from Amazon.  But that doesn't really give any meaningful indication of the contents of the book, except insofar as it describes in very general terms the topics it covers. 
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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09-01-2006 13:55
From: Billybob Goodliffe yet you are ignoring what everyone else has posted here because of that book's "facts", don't trivialize us that way. What I'm saying, Billy, is that Kendra is pursuing an entirely different, even unrelated angle. First, I lack the competence (and will freely admit it -- would that more people could bring themselves to do that!) to speak intelligently about that tiny little physical evidence debate, and second, it has no meaningful bearing on the case to which I'm referring.
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Roxie Marten
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Join date: 18 Feb 2004
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09-01-2006 13:57
From: Richie Waves FRom Amazon
Book Description
The attacks of September 11, 2001, were accomplished through an amazing orchestration of logistics and personnel. Crossing the Rubicon discovers and identifies key suspects-finding some of them in the highest echelons of American government-by showing how they acted in concert to guarantee that the attacks produced the desired result.
Crossing the Rubicon is unique not only for its case-breaking examination of 9/11, but for the breadth and depth of its world picture-an interdisciplinary analysis of petroleum, geopolitics, narcotraffic, intelligence and militarism-without which 9/11 cannot be understood.
The US manufacturing sector has been mostly replaced by speculation on financial data whose underlying economic reality is a dark secret. Hundreds of billions of dollars in laundered drug money flow through Wall Street each year from opium and coca fields maintained by CIA-sponsored warlords and US-backed covert paramilitary violence. America's global dominance depends on a continually turning mill of guns, drugs, oil and money. Oil and natural gas-the fuels that make economic growth possible-are subsidized by American military force and foreign lending.
In reality, 9/11 and the resulting "war on terror" are parts of a massive authoritarian response to an emerging economic crisis of unprecedented scale. Peak Oil-the beginning of the end for our industrial civilization-is driving the elites of American power to implement unthinkably draconian measures of repression, warfare and population control. Crossing the Rubicon is more than a story. It is a map of the perilous terrain through which, together and alone, we are all now making our way.
Michael C. Ruppert is the publisher and editor of From the Wilderness, a newsletter read by more than 16,000 subscribers in 40 countries. A former Los Angeles Police Department narcotics investigator, he is widely known for his groundbreaking stories on US involvement in the drug trade, Peak Oil and 9/11.
About the Author
Mike Ruppert is the Publisher/Editor of From the Wilderness, a newsletter read by more than 16,000 subscribers in 40 countries. A former LAPD narcotics investigator, he is widely known for his groundbreaking stories on US involvement in the drug trade, Peak Oil and 9/11. His video on the latter, The Truth and Lies About 9-11, has sold more than 10,000 copies. Anyone can write a book. It does not make it true. I could write book saying the moon is full of green cheese and make it sound plausible. Along with "experts" to back me up. Sorry what you saw is what happened. No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig to dress up the crazy stories. |
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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09-01-2006 14:01
From: Roxie Marten Anyone can write a book. It does not make it true. I could write book saying the moon is full of green cheese and make it sound plausible. Along with "experts" to back me up.
Sorry what you saw is what happened. No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig to dress up the crazy stories. That's kind of a meaningless statement. Of course anyone can write a book. Even David Icke has written a (huge) book. The key here is that the reader can use something known as critical thinking and possibly even independent research to either verify or dismiss the book. Taken to its logical (and ridiculous) conclusion, your statement would imply that we cannot believe or even consider anything written by anyone, ever. That's silly.
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Cannae Brentano
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Join date: 21 Apr 2006
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09-01-2006 14:10
From: Alex Fitzsimmons What I'm saying, Billy, is that Kendra is pursuing an entirely different, even unrelated angle. First, I lack the competence (and will freely admit it -- would that more people could bring themselves to do that!) to speak intelligently about that tiny little physical evidence debate, and second, it has no meaningful bearing on the case to which I'm referring. Which is exactly why I will consider what you wrote. I'm still not buying it, but there is little that I believe in that I don't question and reevaluate. Odd's are I'll still say you're wrong though but you present your views in a reasonable and logical way. |
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Juro Kothari
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09-01-2006 14:13
From: Lorelei Patel
I tend to be suspicious of things that depend on too much marketing...
Like Nurse Nayirah? Now that was some excellent marketing. Too bad the truth came out. |
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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09-01-2006 14:13
From: Cannae Brentano Which is exactly why I will consider what you wrote. I'm still not buying it, but there is little that I believe in that I don't question and reevaluate. Odd's are I'll still say you're wrong though but you present your views in a reasonable and logical way. In fact, if you read through it and still conclude that, please do tell me, and also tell me why. If I missed something important, I'd like to have it brought to my attention. I'm far from perfect, and I'd rather learn something than be considered "right" all of the time.
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Lorelei Patel
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09-01-2006 14:15
From: Juro Kothari
Like Nurse Nayirah? Now that was some excellent marketing. Too bad the truth came out.
Who?
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-01-2006 14:15
Actually I said earlier that whether or not the buildings fell by jet crash or not is irrelevant to the discussion.
What is relevent to 9-11 is HOW did it happen? and WHY did it happen?
The fact that I think the buildings were controlled demo is aside from the point. Even if the collapsed of their own weight --I STILL don't buy the Government's conspiracy theory of WHO did it.
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Lorelei Patel
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09-01-2006 14:17
From: Kendra Bancroft I STILL don't buy the Government's conspiracy theory of WHO did it. Then who, pray tell, did?
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Cannae Brentano
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Join date: 21 Apr 2006
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09-01-2006 14:22
From: Richie Waves FRom Amazon
Book Description
The attacks of September 11, 2001, were accomplished through an amazing orchestration of logistics and personnel. Crossing the Rubicon discovers and identifies key suspects-finding some of them in the highest echelons of American government-by showing how they acted in concert to guarantee that the attacks produced the desired result.
Crossing the Rubicon is unique not only for its case-breaking examination of 9/11, but for the breadth and depth of its world picture-an interdisciplinary analysis of petroleum, geopolitics, narcotraffic, intelligence and militarism-without which 9/11 cannot be understood.
The US manufacturing sector has been mostly replaced by speculation on financial data whose underlying economic reality is a dark secret. Hundreds of billions of dollars in laundered drug money flow through Wall Street each year from opium and coca fields maintained by CIA-sponsored warlords and US-backed covert paramilitary violence. America's global dominance depends on a continually turning mill of guns, drugs, oil and money. Oil and natural gas-the fuels that make economic growth possible-are subsidized by American military force and foreign lending.
In reality, 9/11 and the resulting "war on terror" are parts of a massive authoritarian response to an emerging economic crisis of unprecedented scale. Peak Oil-the beginning of the end for our industrial civilization-is driving the elites of American power to implement unthinkably draconian measures of repression, warfare and population control. Crossing the Rubicon is more than a story. It is a map of the perilous terrain through which, together and alone, we are all now making our way.
Michael C. Ruppert is the publisher and editor of From the Wilderness, a newsletter read by more than 16,000 subscribers in 40 countries. A former Los Angeles Police Department narcotics investigator, he is widely known for his groundbreaking stories on US involvement in the drug trade, Peak Oil and 9/11.
About the Author
Mike Ruppert is the Publisher/Editor of From the Wilderness, a newsletter read by more than 16,000 subscribers in 40 countries. A former LAPD narcotics investigator, he is widely known for his groundbreaking stories on US involvement in the drug trade, Peak Oil and 9/11. His video on the latter, The Truth and Lies About 9-11, has sold more than 10,000 copies. Initial thoughts based on the above. - Does it address the 1993 WTC attack? Was that part of the conspiracy as well or was that a failed terrorist attack? - Does it assume there is no terrorist threat to the USA (ala Michael Moore). If so, what about the overseas terrorists attacks such as the Cole? Were those real or just filmed in a studio like the moon landing? (sorry, couldn't resist). - When did this "massive authortarian response" start? If it was before November 2000, then that kills the Bush theory. If its after, not bad for a man with a 90 IQ. Sounds to me like another misreading of the facts, making wrong conclusions and applying the wrong solution. But that's only based on a summary, if anyone has a bit more info on the book, good or bad, post it here. |
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Juro Kothari
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09-01-2006 14:31
"Nurse Nayirah" was a conspiracy theory that turned out to be true.
In 1990, a 15-year old nurse testified before Congress providing testimony about the conditions during the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait. In her testimony, she detailed events that caused such an uproar here in the U.S. that her testimony is said to have been the deciding factor for many to formalize their support for military action against Iraq.
As it turns out, she was not a nurse, was never at the hospital she claimed to be at, the events she detailed (Iraqi soldiers dumping newborns on the floor to die) never happened.
She was the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S. and had been coached by Lauri Fitz-Pegado, who created the "Nayirah" story.
There are a lot of nutty conspiracy theorists out there - but what concerns me more are those who digest the "official" story w/o question.
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Cannae Brentano
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09-01-2006 14:35
From: Kendra Bancroft Actually I said earlier that whether or not the buildings fell by jet crash or not is irrelevant to the discussion.
What is relevent to 9-11 is HOW did it happen? and WHY did it happen?
The fact that I think the buildings were controlled demo is aside from the point. Even if the collapsed of their own weight --I STILL don't buy the Government's conspiracy theory of WHO did it. What I think you are missing is how much the US is hated by so many overseas. We are a military superpower and a conventional war is simply impossible to fight against us. A terrorist attack is precisely the kind of way to wage war against the United States. Given the amount of terrorist tactics used in other countries, its really only a matter of time before the US is hit. Or I say hit again, don't forget 1993. Where I think you are closer to the truth is how 9/11 was used to bolster support for a preconceived Iraqi invasion, and that the military response in Afghanistan acted more as a delay for the war in Iraq than anything else. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-01-2006 14:36
From: Lorelei Patel Then who, pray tell, did? I have no clue. Do you? |
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-01-2006 14:38
From: Cannae Brentano What I think you are missing is how much the US is hated by so many overseas. We are a military superpower and a conventional war is simply impossible to fight against us. A terrorist attack is precisely the kind of way to wage war against the United States. Given the amount of terrorist tactics used in other countries, its really only a matter of time before the US is hit. Or I say hit again, don't forget 1993.
Where I think you are closer to the truth is how 9/11 was used to bolster support for a preconceived Iraqi invasion, and that the military response in Afghanistan acted more as a delay for the war in Iraq than anything else. ahhhhhhh now we get to the crux of it. Congratulations. Your eyes are beginning to open. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-01-2006 14:41
From: Cannae Brentano What I think you are missing is how much the US is hated by so many overseas. We are a military superpower and a conventional war is simply impossible to fight against us. A terrorist attack is precisely the kind of way to wage war against the United States. Given the amount of terrorist tactics used in other countries, its really only a matter of time before the US is hit. Or I say hit again, don't forget 1993.
Where I think you are closer to the truth is how 9/11 was used to bolster support for a preconceived Iraqi invasion, and that the military response in Afghanistan acted more as a delay for the war in Iraq than anything else. Yes. That's what terrorists do. Do you think they are all linked? The way to fight terrorism --as evidenced recently in England --is with Police action in a criminal investigation. Not military invasion. |
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Billybob Goodliffe
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09-01-2006 14:43
From: Juro Kothari "Nurse Nayirah" was a conspiracy theory that turned out to be true.
In 1990, a 15-year old nurse testified before Congress providing testimony about the conditions during the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait. In her testimony, she detailed events that caused such an uproar here in the U.S. that her testimony is said to have been the deciding factor for many to formalize their support for military action against Iraq.
As it turns out, she was not a nurse, was never at the hospital she claimed to be at, the events she detailed (Iraqi soldiers dumping newborns on the floor to die) never happened.
She was the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S. and had been coached by Lauri Fitz-Pegado, who created the "Nayirah" story.
There are a lot of nutty conspiracy theorists out there - but what concerns me more are those who digest the "official" story w/o question.
well, there actually were some "atrocites", nothing like what she described though. They were mainly things like, executing resistance fighters and things like that. Nothing dealing with babies or anything like that.
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Roxie Marten
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09-01-2006 14:44
From: Lorelei Patel Then who, pray tell, did? The Big Bad Wolf on the goverment payroll was sent to huff and puff and blow the towers down. Rox |
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Billybob Goodliffe
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09-01-2006 14:44
From: Kendra Bancroft Yes. That's what terrorists do. Do you think they are all linked?
The way to fight terrorism --as evidenced recently in England --is with Police action in a criminal investigation. Not military invasion. I actually believe its in the middle ground between the 2. I think criminal investigations should be used to find the culprits, then if nessacary a SPECOPS mission if they are hiding in Afghanistan or where ever.
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Cannae Brentano
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09-01-2006 14:45
From: Kendra Bancroft ahhhhhhh now we get to the crux of it. Congratulations. Your eyes are beginning to open. They've been open for quite some time. That's the problem with people who use piss poor reasoning and believe every crackpot website about 9/11 being some vast conspiracy. It diverts any real focus on the real issue, the rush to invade Iraq. I almost hope there is some master plan that is hidden. At least that way somebody is in control instead of shooting blindly in the dark, hoping for the best and ignoring the consequences. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-01-2006 14:45
From: Billybob Goodliffe I actually believe its in the middle ground between the 2. I think criminal investigations should be used to find the culprits, then if nessacary a SPECOPS mission if they are hiding in Afghanistan or where ever. SPECOPS yes. Carpet Bombing civillians? Not so much. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-01-2006 14:46
From: Cannae Brentano They've been open for quite some time. That's the problem with people who use piss poor reasoning and believe every crackpot website about 9/11 being some vast conspiracy.
It diverts any real focus on the real issue, the rush to invade Iraq. I almost hope there is some master plan that is hidden. At least that way somebody is in control instead of shooting blindly in the dark, hoping for the best and ignoring the consequences. Why do you assume I would believe every crackpot theory I read? That's rather insulting to me. |
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Juro Kothari
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09-01-2006 14:47
From: Billybob Goodliffe well, there actually were some "atrocites", nothing like what she described though. They were mainly things like, executing resistance fighters and things like that. Nothing dealing with babies or anything like that.
The significance with this particular testimony is that it was a lie, paid for by...... the U.S. government to boost support for an invasion. |
