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Eggy Lippmann
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11-02-2005 15:50
From: Cocoanut Koala Answer the question. Is it okay to bash Christians but not other religious groups? As I understand it, it is always okay for an opressed minority to bash their opressor. This is why black people are allowed to band together in groups that are openly discriminating against white people but if you make a group of white people you are instantly called a nazi. You have no idea the crap I have to go through in a country where 97% of people are catholic. Namely the fact that I can't have what girls see as a "normal" or "proper" wedding, because I'm not baptized, and the fact that people costantly tell me that I should just go and get myself baptized like the rest of people. I could go on forever, but basically, yes, it should be damn well allowed and even encouraged to rebel against the opressive christian majority.
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Chance Abattoir
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11-02-2005 15:57
From: Eggy Lippmann As I understand it, it is always okay for an opressed minority to bash their opressor. This is why black people are allowed to band together in groups that are openly discriminating against white people but if you make a group of white people you are instantly called a nazi. You have no idea the crap I have to go through in a country where 97% of people are catholic. Namely the fact that I can't have what girls see as a "normal" or "proper" wedding, because I'm not baptized, and the fact that people costantly tell me that I should just go and get myself baptized like the rest of people. I could go on forever, but basically, yes, it should be damn well allowed and even encouraged to rebel against the opressive christian majority. Haha. I was asked to be someone's godfather a few years back and I asked, "What does that entail and what are the requirements?" "Well," they said, "first off you have to believe in God." "Oh, well I fail that so I guess I can't," I answered. And without missing a beat they replied, "Well, you can convert." >.< :  hakes head::
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-02-2005 15:59
Well, Eggy, I can well understand how you would feel in a place where you are that outnumbered by the people with one predominant religion. However, in my view, religious oppression of ANY nature - which includes, by the way, any discrimination or oppression of atheists - is always wrong. And definitely doesn't belong in these forums. coco P.S. Thank you for that regarding the dialect, Memory.
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Juro Kothari
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11-02-2005 16:15
From: Cocoanut Koala However, in my view, religious oppression of ANY nature
Does that include gay marriage or banning adoptions by gays or the discrimination faced by gays in the workplace or at home? I'm very curious, Coco - what is your personal stand on gay marriage?
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Chance Abattoir
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11-02-2005 16:19
From: Juro Kothari Does that include gay marriage or banning adoptions by gays or the discrimination faced by gays in the workplace or at home? I'm very curious, Coco - what is your personal stand on gay marriage?
I think she is explicitly talking about ANY oppression OF religions, not BY religions. Hope that helps. 
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Juro Kothari
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11-02-2005 16:22
From: Chance Abattoir I think she is explicitly talking about ANY oppression OF religions, not BY religions. Hope that helps.   That's certainly one option, but I'll give her the chance to clarify.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-02-2005 16:28
From: Juro Kothari  That's certainly one option, but I'll give her the chance to clarify. Yes, I am talking about oppression OF religions. About gay marriage, I haven't formulated an opinion of it yet. Nor about stem cell research. coco P.S. About gay adoption, I have formulated an opinion, and that is that it should be allowed. (Rosie O'Donnell and her partner, for example, offer a very stable and loving environment for their kids, both adopted and bio.) As for discrimination against gays in the workplace or where they live, I'm a'gin it.
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Chance Abattoir
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11-02-2005 16:29
From: Juro Kothari  That's certainly one option, but I'll give her the chance to clarify. Until she does, Occam's Razor. It's the most probable and the simplest. 
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-02-2005 16:35
From: Chance Abattoir Until she does, Occam's Razor. It's the most probable and the simplest.  A lot you know, Chance, about what is most probable. It's that sort of thinking that leads to these kinds of prejudices in the FIRST place. Stereotypes are always simplest. Start the gay bashing on here, why don't you? And see how silent I remain at THAT inhumanity and discrimination. coco
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Jake Reitveld
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11-02-2005 16:38
How about changing the name of christmas back to Yule or call it midwinter or something?
Also purely for my edifications can someonr provide me a link or a quote of christian bashing. I don't see it, but then Im not a christian.
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Juro Kothari
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11-02-2005 16:40
From: Cocoanut Koala Start the gay bashing on here, why don't you? And see how silent I remain at THAT inhumanity and discrimination.
Please don't. I think your comment (" About gay marriage, I haven't formulated an opinion of it yet." says enough, Coco.
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Juro Kothari
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11-02-2005 16:43
From: Cocoanut Koala About gay marriage, I haven't formulated an opinion of it yet. Nor about stem cell research.
I know you're smart enough to figure out why I asked you that question and you were smart enough to give a carefully formulated answer so as not to appear to be a hypocritical bigot by saying 'gays dont deserve marriage' and not breach any potential religious convictions by supporting it. I find it very hard to believe that anyone in the U.S. who is as well-versed as you appear to be does not yet have an opinion on the matter. If not, maybe you should give it some thought - there are tens of thousands of families waiting for answers.
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Chance Abattoir
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11-02-2005 16:46
From: Jake Reitveld How about changing the name of christmas back to Yule or call it midwinter or something?
Also purely for my edifications can someonr provide me a link or a quote of christian bashing. I don't see it, but then Im not a christian. Webster's defines it as "disagreeing while the other person plays the victim card."
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-02-2005 16:48
Christmas is the Christian holiday. Others, non-christians, can celebrate Yule or mid-winter. Yom Kippur is a Jewish event. They don't need to change their name to suit me. I just don't have to celebrate that event, if I don't believe in it. I don't have to celebrate Ramadan. But they don't have to stop having it, or change the name of it, to suit me, either. coco
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Chance Abattoir
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11-02-2005 16:49
From: Cocoanut Koala A lot you know, Chance, about what is most probable. It's that sort of thinking that leads to these kinds of prejudices in the FIRST place. Stereotypes are always simplest. Start the gay bashing on here, why don't you? And see how silent I remain at THAT inhumanity and discrimination. coco You affirmed my guess right after I made it. I don't see what the problem is.
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Chance Abattoir
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11-02-2005 16:50
From: Cocoanut Koala Christmas is the Christian holiday. Others, non-christians, can celebrate Yule or mid-winter. Yom Kippur is a Jewish event. They don't need to change their name to suit me. I just don't have to celebrate that event, if I don't believe in it. I don't have to celebrate Ramadan. But they don't have to stop having it, or change the name of it, to suit me, either. coco Funny that Jesus wasn't born on December 25. I wonder if it had anything to do with the Church's need to appropriate (nudge out) other preexisting religions in order to make the transition to their own easier? Nah.
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Jake Reitveld
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11-02-2005 16:51
From: Cocoanut Koala Christmas is the Christian holiday. Others, non-christians, can celebrate Yule or mid-winter. Yom Kippur is a Jewish event. They don't need to change their name to suit me. I just don't have to celebrate that event, if I don't believe in it. I don't have to celebrate Ramadan. But they don't have to stop having it, or change the name of it, to suit me, either. coco Ah but none of the others are federal holidays. Christmas is a national holiday, sponsored by the government.
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Kevn Klein
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11-02-2005 16:53
From: Chance Abattoir Webster's defines it as "disagreeing while the other person plays the victim card." I'm not a whiner, but there was some very rude things said about religion and those who believe in God. You were there for it, Scroll through the threads with hundreds of posts on science and religion. People were warned for it, and it was so obvious LL choose to clearify the standards to everyone in SL and have everyone accept these standards. The top standard on the list was tolerance. It said belittling religion is against the rules.
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Chip Midnight
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11-02-2005 16:54
I'd just like to make a quick observation... Remember back in the months following 9/11 how no one could speak out against the war in Iraq, question the president, or disagree with anything the government was doing without being called unamerican and unpatriotic? Labeling anyone who speaks out against religion as hateful and intolerant is exactly the same thing.
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Chance Abattoir
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11-02-2005 16:57
From: Kevn Klein I'm not a whiner, but there was some very rude things said about religion and those who believe in God. You were there for it, Scroll through the threads with hundreds of posts on science and religion.
People were warned for it, and it was so obvious LL choose to clearify the standards to everyone in SL and have everyone accept these standards. The top standard on the list was tolerance. It said belitting religion is against the rules. Belittling is different from citing facts, but thanks for illustrating "Webster's" definition. Don't look now, someone tripped and spilled their google. From: someone Most biblical scholars and preachers readily admit that they know Christ was not born on December 25th. However, they claim that this day is as good as any other to celebrate the birth of Jesus, despite the fact that it was originally a pagan celebration called Saturnalia which commemorated the birth of the sun god.
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Juro Kothari
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11-02-2005 16:58
From: Kevn Klein It said belittling religion is against the rules. Which means you can have NO dissenting opinion, whatsoever. Nice.
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Kevn Klein
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11-02-2005 16:58
Talk about religion all you wish. Don't cross the line as defined by the community standards
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Kevn Klein
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11-02-2005 16:59
From: Juro Kothari Which means you can have NO dissenting opinion, whatsoever. Nice.
That's wrong, I can disagree with Catholics veiw of Mary and the virgin birth without belittling their faith. There should never be a need to belittle to make a point.
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Chance Abattoir
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11-02-2005 17:00
From: Kevn Klein Talk about religion all you wish. Don't cross the line as defined by the community standards Thanks for the permission, your highness.
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Kevn Klein
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11-02-2005 17:01
You don't need my permission. These forums belong to LL
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