Christians who attack athiests!

No.... He didn't...

Please tell me you are not that stupid, this is a thread about CHRISTIANs and Atheists. Kind of narrows down the subject doesn't it?

Wait... how was the Hank story an attack on Christianity?

Just curious. I can't figure out how it was an ATTACK... other than it made someone defensive.

Can someone explain?

Please read the title of this thread. Now would it not be logical to assume that something like that post in a thread about christianity and atheisism(?) that it was refferring to one of the 2? Now based on the "doctrine" * of each group wouldn't it be safe to say it was a stab at christian beliefs?

*the use of the word doctrine was because I couldn't come up with a better word, I will take suggestions on this

Billy, I understand that it's about Christianity.

I just don't understand how it's an attack.

Oxford English dictionary defines it as:
verb 1 take aggressive action against. 2 (of a disease, chemical, etc.) act harmfully on. 3 criticize or oppose fiercely and publicly. 4 begin to deal with (a problem or task) in a determined way. 5 (in sport) attempt to score goals or points and Wikipedia lists this "The word attack is often used to mean criticize or accuse", which is close, but the Hank story isn't a criticism or even a critique. It's just an observation. A satirical one at that.
It's a metaphor. A parable.

There's someone famous that used to do that... tell stories in order to get a point across... who was it now... don't tell me... it's on the tip of my tongue

Was HE making attacks? In His observations and stories, was HE attacking anyone or anything?

hmm your own definitions prove my point, look at definition 3.

now read the definition of satire
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satire

and then tell me if you don't see it as an attack

So we're not reading the rest of the post, just jumping on the Quote button as soon as you see something that fits your needs? Read the rest of the post.

ETA:

OH! So... the other thread IS an attack on atheists. Ok.. never mind then. As long as we're all attacking everything and it's not just the usual victim mentality that "Christians" get when everything doesn't go exactly their way.

As long as we're on the same page about "Attacking"

practice what you preach, now as for your Jesus reference you might want to read the definition of satire first.

Found this while searching google. It seems to be an example of this argument.

Taken from:
http://www.evilbible.com/Top_Ten_List.htm


Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian


10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

OH MY GOODNESS!

From your link:

"A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit"

Christianity is now a "human vice or folly"?


You know what, I'm done. When it goes to semantics, I gotta give up.

You, of course, are right, Billybob.

All these "attacks" on "Christians" are the end of the fucking world and people who "attack" "Christisans" are evil fucks.

How could I ever have thought different.

I give up.

I give you an E for effort, but high marks for one of the most hysterical straw-men I've read in the last couple weeks.

::::::whistle:::::::

I come from a christian family and I'm an ex-christian.

I ceased to be a christian when I actually took the time to read through the bible and find out what kind of violent and disturbing behavior was actually sanctioned by a "loving" god, such as the killing of innocent women and children. They don't include that in church sermons these days, do they? But it is a defacto part of the bible, written in black and white.

Most of the bible is ignored, people pick the good pieces and ignore the bad like everything. Most people are just following as much as they can justify in a hope to avoid some kind of unimaginable hell. But, if there is a hell..... that's not going to be enough to save them.

There's a reason for the saying "God fearing Christian", there's no other kind.

If you actually read through the bible, there's plenty of evidence (if written words can be portrayed as such) of god being the bad guy. If there is some sort of benevolent god out there, I can assure you, he's nothing like the violent heavenly being described in the bible.

This is like the drop of red paint insisting the artist is a nut-job for placing the drop next to a green drop. The paint is not to tell the artist how to paint.

If there is a God, and He is all-knowing, don't you think He knows better than you do what is best for mankind? Do you think you might be a better God? Maybe if you knew everything He knows you might agree with His rationale.

I find it ridiculous to assume one knows how to be God better than God Himself. But isn't that why Satan fell from grace? Assuming he could do a better job?

You say that as if god were a real being.

And by the way, the only person (err, edited: being?) who says Satan is the bad guy is God. Quite frankly, it's like one politician pointing to the other and saying, "Don't vote for that guy, he's worse than me!"

I find it ironic that you lament preachers for leaving out the bad parts of the Bible yet you leave out the good parts. You claim Christians pick and chose which verses they follow yet you picked and chose verses when you left. I recommend not being a hypocrite, it will get you into trouble.

Without going into a new and probably pointless tangent, no. Not really.

Not exactly, Billy.

Lets say I belonged to an orginization. Lets say the orginization did a lot of good things for a lot of people... it fed the hungry, donated clothes, donated money to cancer research, ran orphanages, etc.

But, then, I studied the orginization more, and found that it was a front for money laundering for the mob, and had connections with terrorism and the slave trade, and decide I want out.

I'm not picking and choosing the bad parts - I can acknowledge the good parts, and still want no part of the whole entity because of the bad parts. That's not being a hypocrite.

In good conscience, I could not choose to accept the atrocities contained in the bible for a few good morsels of morality. That's like saying, "So what if he's a psychopathic serial killer, he does a lot of other things that are good." And you SUPPORT this? What does that make you?

I guess you believe that convicts can't be rehabilitated? I heard a saying once, "experience is the best teacher". You ever consider that God might have learned from those mistakes and then didn't repeat them?

Why would the allmighty need to learn from his mistakes?

Petty thieves, cleptomaniacs, maybe the occasional random murderer who did it out of passion, yes. But believe in the rehabilitation of serial killers? Umm, no. Show me a serial killer who has ever been rehabilitated.

But, it's nice to know you recognize your god isn't perfect and that he needs rehabilitation, maybe there's hope for you yet.

You know very little about painting.

This is what makes me believe as I do on this issue...


How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:12-15

Do you listen to the paint?