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Uma Bauhaus
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08-25-2006 20:59
I love it. You don't actually deny that they're priceless in the womb yet lazy crack smokers out of the womb. Ah, the mind of religious conservative -- protecting fetal tissue with one hand while pushing poor children out the door with the other. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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08-25-2006 21:00
Culture of Life... remember?
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Kiamat Dusk
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08-25-2006 21:06
I love it. You don't actually deny that they're priceless in the womb yet lazy crack smokers out of the womb. Ah, the mind of religious conservative -- protecting fetal tissue with one hand while pushing poor children out the door with the other. This old hat? Your arguments are becoming as threadbare as your Liberal ideas. From the Conservative side: Jobs will create wealth and end poverty. Free market creates jobs. As Ann Coulter once wrote "When you subsidize something you get more of it." From the Christian side: All those homeless shelters and soup kitchens run by community churches are hardly "pushing poor children out the door". -Kiamat Dusk ...right again... _____________________
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Uma Bauhaus
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08-25-2006 21:18
...words...  Because I'm so nice, here's some more great quotes from Ann Coulter you can use in your future posts: "[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."---Rivera Live 8/2/99 "God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01 The "backbone of the Democratic Party" is a "typical fat, implacable welfare recipient"---syndicated column 10/29/99 To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."---MSNBC "Women like Pamela Harriman and Patricia Duff are basically Anna Nicole Smith from the waist down. Let's just call it for what it is. They're whores."---Salon.com 11/16/00 Juan Gonzales is "Cuba's answer to Joey Buttafuoco," a "miscreant," "sperm-donor," and a "poor man's Hugh Hefner."---Rivera Live 5/1/00 On Princess Diana's death: "Her children knew she's sleeping with all these men. That just seems to me, it's the definition of 'not a good mother.' ... Is everyone just saying here that it's okay to ostentatiously have premarital sex in front of your children?"..."[Diana is] an ordinary and pathetic and confessional - I've never had bulimia! I've never had an affair! I've never had a divorce! So I don't think she's better than I am."---MSNBC 9/12/97 "I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote."---Hannity & Colmes, 8/17/99 "I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote."---Politically Incorrect, 2/26/01 "If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."---George, 7/99 "We're now at the point that it's beyond whether or not this guy is a horny hick. I really think it's a question of his mental stability. He really could be a lunatic. I think it is a rational question for Americans to ask whether their president is insane."---Equal Time "It's enough [to be impeached] for the president to be a pervert."---The Case Against Bill Clinton, Coulter's 1998 book. "Clinton is in love with the erect penis."---This Evening with Judith Regan, Fox News Channel 2/6/00 "I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start."---Politically Incorrect 5/7/97 "If they have the one innocent person who has ever to be put to death this century out of over 7,000, you probably will get a good movie deal out of it."---MSNBC 7/27/97 "If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [child] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns."---Politically Incorrect, 12/18/97 "The presumption of innocence only means you don't go right to jail."---Hannity & Colmes 8/24/01 "I have to say I'm all for public flogging. One type of criminal that a public humiliation might work particularly well with are the juvenile delinquents, a lot of whom consider it a badge of honor to be sent to juvenile detention. And it might not be such a cool thing in the 'hood to be flogged publicly."---MSNBC 3/22/97 "Originally, I was the only female with long blonde hair. Now, they all have long blonde hair."---CapitolHillBlue.com 6/6/00 "I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn't."---TV Guide 8/97 "Let's say I go out every night, I meet a guy and have sex with him. Good for me. I'm not married."---Rivera Live 6/7/00 "Anorexics never have boyfriends. ... That's one way to know you don't have anorexia, if you have a boyfriend."---Politically Incorrect 7/21/97 "I think [Whitewater]'s going to prevent the First Lady from running for Senate."---Rivera Live 3/12/99 "My track record is pretty good on predictions."---Rivera Live 12/8/98 "The thing I like about Bush is I think he hates liberals."---Washington Post 8/1/00 On Rep. Christopher Shays (d-CT) in deciding whether to run against him as a Libertarian candidate: "I really want to hurt him. I want him to feel pain."---Hartford Courant 6/25/99 "The swing voters---I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster. "---Beyond the News, Fox News Channel, 6/4/00 "My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."---MSNBC 2/8/97 "You want to be careful not to become just a blowhard."---Washington Post 10/16/98 _____________________
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-25-2006 21:20
Did you seriously just use Ann Coulter as a reference? Ha ha ha. That's just too funny. Because I'm so nice, here's some more great quotes from Ann Coulter you can use in your future posts: "[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."---Rivera Live 8/2/99 "God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01 The "backbone of the Democratic Party" is a "typical fat, implacable welfare recipient"---syndicated column 10/29/99 To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."---MSNBC "Women like Pamela Harriman and Patricia Duff are basically Anna Nicole Smith from the waist down. Let's just call it for what it is. They're whores."---Salon.com 11/16/00 Juan Gonzales is "Cuba's answer to Joey Buttafuoco," a "miscreant," "sperm-donor," and a "poor man's Hugh Hefner."---Rivera Live 5/1/00 On Princess Diana's death: "Her children knew she's sleeping with all these men. That just seems to me, it's the definition of 'not a good mother.' ... Is everyone just saying here that it's okay to ostentatiously have premarital sex in front of your children?"..."[Diana is] an ordinary and pathetic and confessional - I've never had bulimia! I've never had an affair! I've never had a divorce! So I don't think she's better than I am."---MSNBC 9/12/97 "I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote."---Hannity & Colmes, 8/17/99 "I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote."---Politically Incorrect, 2/26/01 "If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."---George, 7/99 "We're now at the point that it's beyond whether or not this guy is a horny hick. I really think it's a question of his mental stability. He really could be a lunatic. I think it is a rational question for Americans to ask whether their president is insane."---Equal Time "It's enough [to be impeached] for the president to be a pervert."---The Case Against Bill Clinton, Coulter's 1998 book. "Clinton is in love with the erect penis."---This Evening with Judith Regan, Fox News Channel 2/6/00 "I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start."---Politically Incorrect 5/7/97 "If they have the one innocent person who has ever to be put to death this century out of over 7,000, you probably will get a good movie deal out of it."---MSNBC 7/27/97 "If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [child] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns."---Politically Incorrect, 12/18/97 "The presumption of innocence only means you don't go right to jail."---Hannity & Colmes 8/24/01 "I have to say I'm all for public flogging. One type of criminal that a public humiliation might work particularly well with are the juvenile delinquents, a lot of whom consider it a badge of honor to be sent to juvenile detention. And it might not be such a cool thing in the 'hood to be flogged publicly."---MSNBC 3/22/97 "Originally, I was the only female with long blonde hair. Now, they all have long blonde hair."---CapitolHillBlue.com 6/6/00 "I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn't."---TV Guide 8/97 "Let's say I go out every night, I meet a guy and have sex with him. Good for me. I'm not married."---Rivera Live 6/7/00 "Anorexics never have boyfriends. ... That's one way to know you don't have anorexia, if you have a boyfriend."---Politically Incorrect 7/21/97 "I think [Whitewater]'s going to prevent the First Lady from running for Senate."---Rivera Live 3/12/99 "My track record is pretty good on predictions."---Rivera Live 12/8/98 "The thing I like about Bush is I think he hates liberals."---Washington Post 8/1/00 On Rep. Christopher Shays (d-CT) in deciding whether to run against him as a Libertarian candidate: "I really want to hurt him. I want him to feel pain."---Hartford Courant 6/25/99 "The swing voters---I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster. "---Beyond the News, Fox News Channel, 6/4/00 "My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."---MSNBC 2/8/97 "You want to be careful not to become just a blowhard."---Washington Post 10/16/98 whatever happened to no post longer than your hand?  _____________________
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Uma Bauhaus
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08-25-2006 21:23
whatever happened to no post longer than your hand? _____________________
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Vares Solvang
It's all Relative
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
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08-25-2006 21:51
is not condescending? Do you think that it helps to prove your point in any way? It wasn't meant to be. It had nothing to do with your abilities. Let me clarify: “So explain the difference. If you can. Frankly I don't think you can come up with a logical explanation. Because I don't believe that such an explanation exists. (and the one you presented didn't achieve that goal.) Yes. Brain development in the third trimester lays the foundation for basic consciousness and perception of pain. Before that the fetus is just tissue. This was presented by Carl Sagan decades ago in a brilliant article that described the development in terms that an average person could understand (I wonder if I could find that article). I see what you mean. After all, our brains are what defines us as humans really. But I feel compelled to ask why it would be ok to abort the baby before the brain develops. After all, if you don't intercede the brain will develop normally and a human will form. Is there really a difference between preventing that development of the brain and destroying the brain once it's formed? I would be very interested in reading that article if you or anyone else finds it. I will look as well. Actually, yes. Babies have been successfully removed from the womb during the second trimester and survived to adulthood with a little help from an incubator. I say if the child can survive outside the womb, killing it is murder. -Kiamat Dusk I have heard this reasoning before from others and honestly I can't get behind it. After all, a newborn baby can't really survive outside the womb unless we assist it. A human can't survive on their own until about three years (or so) after birth. I also think that the same question of prevention applies here as well. Is there really much of a difference between preventing a baby from reaching a point at which is can survive on it's own, and killing it afterwards? I've never understood the incongruity that deifies fetal tissue while disregarding those born. I swear, if they put in half the effort into stopping war, expanding welfare, and increasing wages, this world would be a better place. I agree. Compare the amount of money spent in the world every year to kill people against the amount of money spent every year to help people. It's a sad comment on Humanity as a whole, in my opinion. _____________________
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Uma Bauhaus
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08-26-2006 01:25
I see what you mean. After all, our brains are what defines us as humans really. But I feel compelled to ask why it would be ok to abort the baby before the brain develops. After all, if you don't intercede the brain will develop normally and a human will form. Is there really a difference between preventing that development of the brain and destroying the brain once it's formed? I agree. Compare the amount of money spent in the world every year to kill people against the amount of money spent every year to help people. It's a sad comment on Humanity as a whole, in my opinion.  _____________________
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Selador Cellardoor
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08-26-2006 02:29
It doesnt really matter if that 2 day old embryo feels anything or is a conscious being. What happens when you kill it is taking away every potential that embryo may have. Like it or not you are killing a potential human being with feelings and all. Lets call him Bob or whatever. Its not my place to judge whether you have the right to do this. As long as you can live with it.... Yes. I think that masturbating males and menstruating women should be imprisoned. _____________________
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Ewan Took
Mad Hairy Scotsman
Join date: 5 Dec 2004
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08-26-2006 02:44
Extending welfare? So more people can sit home and smoke crack while watching Jerry Springer off the sweat of my brow? Welfare states lead to rampant unemployment and lazy societies. Look what happened in France when they tried to make it easier for employers to fire lazy workers? Look at the catastrophe of the USSR. Or the misery of your average orth Korean. And wage increases will just make the American worker too expensive to hire and companies will just go elsewhere leaving millions of unemployed Americans behind to further burden your welfare system. The Free Market works. And back on topic. If you can now pop a pill right after sex and ensure that you won't get pregnant, your excuses for abortion later on are drastically reduced. It's amazing how seal fetuses have more protection than our own. No wonder the Liberal birth rate is decreasing . Add to that the fact that the founder of Planned Parenthood was a eugenics fan who felt we needed far fewer blacks in this country. /112/9b/126943/1.html#post1201359/112/9b/126943/1.html#post1201359 -Kiamat Dusk Relating your opinion to the subject at hand... A baby boy from a family in the top 5% of the US income distribution will enjoy a life span 25% longert han a boy born in the bottom 5%. 18,000 Americans die prematurely each year solely because they lack health insurance. Being born into an uninsured household increases the probability of death before age 1 by about 50%. Infant death rates are higher for African American children in Washington, DC, than for children in Kerala, India. African American mothers are twice as likely as white mothers to give birth to a low birthweight baby. Their children are twice as likely to die before their first birthday (United Nations Human Development Report) How can you be more concerned with a child before it's born than afterwards? Don't spout the rubbish about it having no choices in the womb, it has no more choices when it its born about the colour of it's skin or the parents it's born to. _____________________
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Uma Bauhaus
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08-26-2006 02:47
How can you be more concerned with a child before it's born than afterwards? Don't spout the rubbish about it having no choices in the womb, it has no more choices when it its born about the colour of it's skin or the parents it's born to. _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
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08-26-2006 05:38
Relating your opinion to the subject at hand... A baby boy from a family in the top 5% of the US income distribution will enjoy a life span 25% longert han a boy born in the bottom 5%. 18,000 Americans die prematurely each year solely because they lack health insurance. Being born into an uninsured household increases the probability of death before age 1 by about 50%. Infant death rates are higher for African American children in Washington, DC, than for children in Kerala, India. African American mothers are twice as likely as white mothers to give birth to a low birthweight baby. Their children are twice as likely to die before their first birthday (United Nations Human Development Report) How can you be more concerned with a child before it's born than afterwards? Don't spout the rubbish about it having no choices in the womb, it has no more choices when it its born about the colour of it's skin or the parents it's born to. ...in summary, since the odds aren't in their favor, why bother? Let's just nip it all in the bud and move toward a more peacful, Aryan future. Heil Ulrika! -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
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Ewan Took
Mad Hairy Scotsman
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08-26-2006 06:05
...in summary, since the odds aren't in their favor, why bother? Let's just nip it all in the bud and move toward a more peacful, Aryan future. Heil Ulrika! -Kiamat Dusk OR you could argue to expand welfare and show the child that is born that you care as much about its safety as when it was unborn. _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
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08-26-2006 07:39
OR you could argue to expand welfare and show the child that is born that you care as much about its safety as when it was unborn. See my arguments above in regard to expanded welfare. -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom" Eat me, you vile waste of food. http://writing.com/authors/suffer |
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Vares Solvang
It's all Relative
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08-26-2006 11:17
I think the answer to that question depends entirely on the individual. It is my opinion that everyone should be free to answer it in their own way and, thus, free to make their own choice. Again, I agree. Which is why I find it puzzling when people establish cut off times. It seems to me either you make it totally illegal, or you say anything goes. My own personal point of view is that the law shouldn't address abortion at all. Not a word. It should be “alegal” so to speak. It should be up to each person to deal with their own morals and values when it comes to abortion. I personally would never have one and believe that it's no different from shooting a four year old. After all, dead is dead. But that doesn't mean I have the right to impose my beliefs on anyone else. If I had a friend that was contemplating one I would certainly try to talk them out of it, but I wouldn't try to force them not to do it. In the end, each person has to make that decision for themselves. OR you could argue to expand welfare and show the child that is born that you care as much about its safety as when it was unborn. Expanding welfare to fix this problem is a case of closing the barn door after the horse has run out. Yes we need to help those that are already here, and some sort of welfare program has to be in place. But the real way to solve the problem is to prevent it. Education is the key. Give people the knowledge and training needed to keep them out of poverty in the first place. I'm not just talking about job skills here either. Social skills are needed as well. Not just the poor either, everyone. Why not take one billion dollars from the war funds and spend them on education and social reform in our country? Only a billion. It won't even be missed from the war's budget. Saving our own country is just as important as saving Iraq. _____________________
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Vares Solvang
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08-26-2006 11:21
...This was presented by Carl Sagan decades ago in a brilliant article that described the development in terms that an average person could understand (I wonder if I could find that article). The article: http://www.2think.org/abortion.shtml _____________________
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Ordinal Malaprop
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08-26-2006 11:30
See my arguments above in regard to expanded welfare. -Kiamat Dusk I didn't need to scroll up |
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-26-2006 11:54
I didn't need to scroll up so you already knew its a bad idea? _____________________
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Ewan Took
Mad Hairy Scotsman
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08-26-2006 11:55
See my arguments above in regard to expanded welfare. -Kiamat Dusk The circle is now complete. _____________________
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-26-2006 12:02
The circle is now complete. expanded welfare is not a good thing _____________________
If life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade and try and find someone who's life has given them vodka and have a party!
I asked God directly, and he says you're a douchebag. Commander of the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army http://e-pec.info/forum/blog/billybob_goodliffe |
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Uma Bauhaus
Renascene
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08-26-2006 13:47
Thank you!! _____________________
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Uma Bauhaus
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08-26-2006 13:51
expanded welfare is not a good thing _____________________
The prophecy is true! At the end of the forums, Prok shall be born again and take the believers up to a holy forum while the sinners are forced to post comments in Linden blogs!
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Ordinal Malaprop
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08-26-2006 13:56
so you already knew its a bad idea? I already knew what Kiamat thought.... |
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
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08-26-2006 14:30
I'm really interested to hear Kevn's thoughts on the Morning After pill. Does he think that it should also be banned?
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Uma Bauhaus
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08-26-2006 14:32
I'm really interested to hear Kevn's thoughts on the Morning After pill. Does he think that it should also be banned? I'm eagerly anticipating his response. _____________________
The prophecy is true! At the end of the forums, Prok shall be born again and take the believers up to a holy forum while the sinners are forced to post comments in Linden blogs!
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