I would venture to say that about 85% of conservative talk show hosts, radio or television, resort to name calling on a regular basis. They have done their best to make the word "liberal" a naughty, profane word. They regularly attach words with horrible imagery to the word "liberal". Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are by far some of the worst people about this.
I would also venture to say that about 68%-75% of liberal talk show hosts do the same thing on the opposite side. The worst people that do this are those like Randi Rhodes on Air America radio, and Michael Moore. Generally though, they don't turn the word "conservative" into a profanity. They do, however, turn the word "neo-con" and "fundamentalists" into profanities, which are usually well deserved.
I think the conservatives need to find some other terms to describe the types of "liberals" they are talking about instead of lumping everyone into one category. If they were more specific and used other words than "liberal", they would probably be more justified in their statements.
Both sides do their fair share of stereotyping.
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08-03-2006 00:02
You threw out about a dozen issues on the table, with an obvious bias. How do you expect to not be challenged on it? Do you mean me personally? The opinions I gave are my own, so of course they reflected my bias. If you feel challenged by me stating what my opinions are, that's your issue. I was attacking no one. I'll take you on issue for issue if that's what you want, but it isn't. You want to codify your own point of view. OK, so what? What's the problem there? If you want to reword your "poll" then do so, but don't expect me to offer a bundt cake and a greeting card when your opening statement was an insult in disguise, which is exactly what conservative talking heads do when they aren't insulting people directly. Honest, I don't know where you're coming up with insults on this thread. Can you quote, specifically, what part upsets you? I ain't a ternip an I din't just fall off th' truck mister. Oh, and show me how I made it personal? Crikey, I never said you did. My quote: "It's a good example of how people who disagree can talk about issues without making it personal." You're coming across as very defensive. What gives? _____________________
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08-03-2006 00:04
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Ranma Tardis
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08-03-2006 10:26
You seem to be one of the people who doesn't like anyone to say anything bad about the U.S., and that the only way to support your country is to be at the whim of the leaders of said country. What this thread is about is talking about the things that people think would be good to change about the country. Nothing less, nothing more. I see no problem with discussing the things one doesn't like about the country they live--it's one of the freedoms we still have, and people are going to celebrate it as much as they can as long as they are still able to. Even you have said that in some other countries, talking against the government will land you in jail--like in both the fascist/theocratic countries and the communist countries. The current administration scares the sh*t out of me as far as the amount of power it seems to flaunt around. Every year since 9-11, people have been losing more and more rights. At the rate things are going, it may not be very long before people may not have the right of dissent, people may not have the right to disagree with the government out of fear that one might be a terrorist. If -YOU- don't like the fact that people still have the right to speak poorly against the government, it is YOU that needs to move to somewhere that everyone conforms to the whim of the government. I don't think that's what you're saying, but realize the tension and hatred in the words you speak. I'm happy to live in the United States, I'm happy I live somewhere with so much potential. It seems that you have a different idea of the way to celebrate one's freedoms than myself and many others here do, and you're welcome to believe that way, but don't be telling others to leave simply because they wish some changes could be made and expect people to look at you in a positive way--it's their right to dislike your opinions as well. Sir, What "rights" are you missing now and what "rights" have you lost since 911? About going to jail you should check out the European Union. You can end up in jail for saying the wrong things. I am not sure about the hate speach laws and would not worry about them. However I am not sure about them. Perhaps disagreing with the goverment position is considered "hate" speech. You have more "rights" in America than anyplace else. In Japan you have to be registered at you local goverment office and the police check to see who is living at the different addresses. Oh I think for myself and not either on the right or left as a general rule but sort of spilt up. |
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08-03-2006 13:54
Bashing someone makes them your foe and not a friend. If you think the United States is bad why dont you go to Russia or China and start making anti goverment statements. Just see how long you stay out of jail. Here you can be anti goverment and stay out of jail there you would already be in jail. I do not understand people like you at all. First, I'm not bashing an individual.... I'm being critical of my country, which is well within my rights. I'm well aware there are other countries that have much more restricted freedoms than we do, but I'm not comparing the U.S. to them. I'm talking about this false idea that we're the 'best' country out there, when many things state otherwise. _____________________
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08-03-2006 14:04
Sir, What "rights" are you missing now and what "rights" have you lost since 911? Sir, For starters, read the Patriot Act. This isn't third grade; I'm not going to read it to you. You have to take a little responsibility for your own education. _____________________
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Billy Grace
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08-03-2006 14:39
Check any of the following issues you SUPPORT:
NOTE: US Centric issues X decriminalization of drugs… Yes, It has worked so well for Alcohol… why not make everything legal? X assisted suicide… Yes, of clurse. Who am I to tell some sick person who is out of his/her mind not to kill themselves. Hell, why not make it manditory for all sick people to kill themselves since there will be no line as to what is right or wrong? X voting rights for felons… Who would be against a felon who has trampled all over someone else’s rights having the right to vote and decide the direction of our country, certainly not me. X gay marriage… Ok, in case you haven’t noticed I was answering these in parody but I can’t joke about this one, I am for all being treated equally but the word “marriage” should be for a man and a woman. I am for civil unions with absolutely no difference in the law between marriages or civil unions. X stop all support for Israel and Taiwan… Why support anyone, screw the world and only look out for numero uno. X complete unilateral nuclear disarmament… Uh hu, a no brainer. Only criminals will have nuclear weapons and will be easier to spot. All you will have to do is follow the mushroom clouds. The theory about being so strong that everyone is afraid to attack you didn’t work so well in the cold war now did it? Um… errr… well… I guess it did work… oops… my bad X forced redistribution of wealth… All of you who checked yes for this please email me your personal contact information inworld, I would like to be the first one in line to take your money against your will. Other take on this is yes, absolutely I would like to redistribute wealth, I would like all of the money I pay the federal government to be returned to me immediately X elimination of all reference to GOD in pblic… Why would we have any reference about God anywhere in public? We threw Him out of the schools and that is working out marvelously, why not throw Him out of the country too. X normal relations with North Korea and Iran… Yes, these countries are really really normal and should be treated that way. X complete withdrawal now from all overseas bases… As stated above, numero uno is all that matters, let’s all stick our heads in the sand together now. X cut US military spending by at least half… Yes, yes, yes… why stop there, disban the military altogether, who needs those war mongers anyway??? X free health care, education, and drivers licenses for illegal aliens… Yes, as long as YOU pay for it, not me. We all know that money grows on trees, let’s all put our hands out together and stick it to those bad ole tax payers. Um… errr… wait… but, but, I AM a taxpayer… um… never mind X Complete open borders… The borders were open when we got here, the Indians didn’t seem to mind… look how well that worked out for them!!! X allow US citizen solders to be prosecuted in the world court… Yes, yes, yes… I want France, China, North Korea, Cuba, Iran and every other country that hates us to prosecute American Soldiers, great Idea!!! X talk with muslim extremists to find “common ground"… Those poor misunderstood terrorists, they love us… they really do _____________________
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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08-03-2006 14:58
Good points on the voting rights for felons -- I could agree with at least situationally allowing it. Of course, it's really moot since the voting system is completely rigged, but strictly in theory, it's a nice thought.
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Jeremiah North
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08-03-2006 15:00
Check any of the following issues you SUPPORT:
_X__ decriminalization of drugs _X__ assisted suicide (there are several folks I would really like to assist) _X__ voting rights for felons _X__ gay marriage (If it's good enough for Britney...) ___ stop all support for Israel and Taiwan <-- Yeah, gotta stop supporting democracies, what were we thinking? Were there some dictatorships you'd like us to support instead? ___ complete unilateral nuclear disarmament <-- The monkeys flying out of my butt could take care of this, just wait ___ forced redistribution of wealth <--This can range from communism - that worked out real well, right? and any form of taxation. Bit wide to say yeah or neah to... ___ elimination of all reference to GOD in pblic <-- Opposed. I just don't want to pay via taxes for mentioning him, I think everyone should be able to mention any character they like in public, fictional or not. ___ normal relations with North Korea and Iran <-- I'm sure that will work out well. ___ complete withdrawal now from all overseas bases <-- And surely the problems of the world can't come over the mighty seas to trouble us anymore, right? ___ cut US military spending by at least half <-- Depends which half you mean. ___ free health care, education, and drivers licenses for illegal aliens <-- Is there going to be free health care for us legal aliens, too? ___ Complete open borders <-- Opposed. ___ allow US citizen solders to be prosecuted in the world court <-- What's a citizen soldier? Although I am for the Internation court system, not just focused on US soldiers... ___ talk with muslim extremists to find “common ground” <-- Like what, driving Israel into the sea? The extremists don't want to talk to us, they want to kill us. _____________________
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Ranma Tardis
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08-03-2006 18:07
Sir, For starters, read the Patriot Act. This isn't third grade; I'm not going to read it to you. You have to take a little responsibility for your own education. I don’t see any "rights" lost under it. Please tell me how you feel threaten under it? You understand it was approved by both of the major political parties in the US. A pity I don’t belong to either one of them. |
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08-03-2006 22:19
I don’t see any "rights" lost under it. Please tell me how you feel threaten under it? You understand it was approved by both of the major political parties in the US. A pity I don’t belong to either one of them. It imposes guilt by association on foreign nationals. It authorizes excluding foreign nationals based solely and purely on their speech. It gives the Attorney General authority to lock up foreign nationals on his say so with out showing that they are dangerous. It gives the government the ability to spy on its citizens and on foreign nationals without probable cause of a crime, to get wiretaps and warrants. It gives them the ability to get records from libraries and book stores on people who are not targets of any criminal investigation, who are not targets of any foreign intelligence investigation and who are not suspected of engaging in any illegal activity. _____________________
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Michael Seraph
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08-04-2006 00:26
Let's just change a few things here:
___ giving the Federal Government the right to regulate what you ingest ___ giving the government the right to prevent you from ending your own life ___ taking the right to vote away from people the government has declared to be felons ___ giving the government the right to decide which adults you can and cannot marry ___ stop all support for Israel and Taiwan _x_ complete unilateral nuclear disarmament for South Africa, Libya and Ukraine ___ forced poverty on many Americans with huge tax cuts for the wealthiest ___ giving the government the right to decide which religions should be publicly supported _x_ minimal relations with North Korea and Iran ___ complete withdrawal now from all overseas bases _x_ make the Department of Defense account for the money it spends _x_ free health care, and education for all Americans _x_ secure borders AND ports _x_ allow any soldier to be prosecuted in the world court _x_ talk with muslims to find “common ground”[/QUOTE] Call me a crazy liberal or a true conservative. But I think that all the power that the right wingers want to give the government is a threat to our constitution and our way of life. Limited government still applies, even when your party is in power. |
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Michael Seraph
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08-04-2006 00:32
I don’t see any "rights" lost under it. Please tell me how you feel threaten under it? You understand it was approved by both of the major political parties in the US. A pity I don’t belong to either one of them. Wow, you actually think that just because Congress voted for it means it's okay? The right that was lost was the right to privacy. Bye bye. Gone. Now the White House reads our emails and listens in on our phone conversations and reviews our library usage and credit card spending. The Bill of Rights is circling the toilet for the third time..... Thank goodness though that we're so well protected from those terrible terrorists. Oh, wait, not so much, huh? |
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08-04-2006 04:11
_X_ LEGALIZATION of pot (Pot, sure. It's no more harmful than cigarettes or alcohol)
_X_ assisted suicide (As a Christian, I believe that suicide is wrong, but as an American, I believe someone has the right to call it a day) ___ voting rights for felons ___ gay marriage (I think the government should be removed from any involvement in marriage-problem solved) ___ stop all support for Israel and Taiwan (Democracies in peril must be protected) ___ complete unilateral nuclear disarmament (yes....of North Korea and China) ___ forced redistribution of wealth (No, I *like* living in a democracy, thanks) ___ elimination of all reference to GOD in public (I'm kinda partial to the whole "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion" thing) _X_ normal relations with North Korea and Iran (...once they stop calling for our death and that of our allies) _X_ complete withdrawal now from all overseas bases (...in countries that don't want us there) ___ cut US military spending by at least half ___ free health care, education, and drivers licenses for illegal aliens (Not now, not ever) ___ Complete open borders (Not now, not ever) ___ allow US citizen solders to be prosecuted in the world court (They're already tried in the court of public opinion) ___ talk with muslim extremists to find “common ground” (common ground-like their desire to die for Allah? Sure. You wanna die, we wanna kill you, let's work something out.) -Kiamat Dusk ...unhyphenated American... _____________________
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Ranma Tardis
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08-04-2006 12:14
Wow, you actually think that just because Congress voted for it means it's okay? The right that was lost was the right to privacy. Bye bye. Gone. Now the White House reads our emails and listens in on our phone conversations and reviews our library usage and credit card spending. The Bill of Rights is circling the toilet for the third time..... Thank goodness though that we're so well protected from those terrible terrorists. Oh, wait, not so much, huh? Well I suppose you better be careful of what you write if so worried. This thread is a bashing on Americans and that includes you. I would not answer the silly questions because of that. For your infomation, all of todays programs have been going on since the last President. Nothing has changed and if you think your bashing of our country will make the others love you. This is not true, remember this. To them you will always be an American first and they will hate you for that. |
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Champie Jack
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08-04-2006 13:27
Well I suppose you better be careful of what you write if so worried. This thread is a bashing on Americans and that includes you. I would not answer the silly questions because of that. For your infomation, all of todays programs have been going on since the last President. Nothing has changed and if you think your bashing of our country will make the others love you. This is not true, remember this. To them you will always be an American first and they will hate you for that. I dont think the questions are silly. You can answer any of the questions in the affirmative or negative and qualify your answer with comments (as others have done). If you think this "thread" is a bash on Americans, then that is because people have answered the questions and commented on them in that way. However, though there may be a bias to some of the questions, (some have argued a neo-con bias, you appear to be arguing a liberal bias) the questions themselves are relatively neutral compared to the responses. Take Care! |
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Juro Kothari
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08-04-2006 13:56
Well I suppose you better be careful of what you write if so worried. This thread is a bashing on Americans and that includes you. It's hardly bashing. And so what if it was? They have the right to be critical of America. For your infomation, all of todays programs have been going on since the last President. Nothing has changed and if you think your bashing of our country will make the others love you. This is not true, remember this. To them you will always be an American first and they will hate you for that. I don't recall the Patriot Act being around during Clinton's years. People are smart enough to separate Americans from American policy... most people don't hate Americans, they hate our policies. Remember that. _____________________
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Fmeh Tagore
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08-04-2006 14:10
Well I suppose you better be careful of what you write if so worried. This thread is a bashing on Americans and that includes you. I would not answer the silly questions because of that. For your infomation, all of todays programs have been going on since the last President. Nothing has changed and if you think your bashing of our country will make the others love you. This is not true, remember this. To them you will always be an American first and they will hate you for that. No, nothing different than Clinton (sarcasm) Unilateral attacks on a country that didn't attack us. Yeah, that's what Clinton was all about. The patriot act or things similar to it, yeah, Clinton wanted us to lose privacy rights. Giving tax dollars to religious organizations that help the poor. Yep, Clinton believed in combining church and state, one little bit at a time. Giving tax cuts to the rich. Oh yeah, Clinton thought that'd be a great idea. You must be living in a different United States than I am if you actually believe that "all of todays programs have been going on since the last President. Nothing has changed". I find it appalling that you seem to consider anyone who wants change in the U.S. to be Anti-American. That anyone who doesn't like where this country has been going, ESPECIALLY the way it has been going under Bush, should move to another country. _____________________
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Ranma Tardis
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08-04-2006 15:46
It's hardly bashing. And so what if it was? They have the right to be critical of America. I don't recall the Patriot Act being around during Clinton's years. People are smart enough to separate Americans from American policy... most people don't hate Americans, they hate our policies. Remember that. If you are not an American than it is not your concern. Americans have to right to rule our country as we see fit and not as the European Union or Canada allows. If you are an American then work for change and work to get the Patroit Act repealed. Also you are very wrong about them. These people hate Americans. I have traveled all over the word and have seen this for myself. Remember these people hated President Clinton during his time as well. Take a look at the history of the Clinton President and who protested against him every time he left the country. These people are using you as a tool to forward their own goals. For the record Americans come in all colors and religions. This thread itself is a troll and the questions are from bad to worse. I hear that in parts of the European Union people are assisted in their "sucide" if they want it or not. These questions can not be taken at face value. |
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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08-04-2006 16:01
I don’t see any "rights" lost under it. Please tell me how you feel threaten under it? You understand it was approved by both of the major political parties in the US. A pity I don’t belong to either one of them. Of course I understand it was. It's a two-headed beast -- I never once claimed hope lay with the Democratic Party, nor am I either a Democrat or a Republican myself. Here's a starter for reading up on how the Patriot Act limits freedom and violates the Constitution in a number of areas: http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/17326res20030403.html I'm sorry, but I will not hold your hand for you. If you can't even be bothered to be up on as basic and old information as this, tough. I have neither the time nor the inclination to carry you like that, nor do I commit it to memory myself (instead, I read up on it, make mental notes as to where the information is in case I need to refer back, and walk away with a general understanding). Educate yourself. Or don't. Either way, it isn't my responsibility to do it for you. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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08-04-2006 16:07
I suppose you are saying you have the right to be critical of us but we do not have the right to critical as well. No, what I'm saying is that as an American, I have the right to criticize my country. As far as non-Americans, I feel that they are entitled to be critical of my country as well. If you are not an American than it is not your concern. Americans have to right to rule our country as we see fit and not as the European Union or Canada allows. If you are an American then work for change and work to get the Patroit Act repealed. Also you are very wrong about them. These people hate Americans. I have traveled all over the word and have seen this for myself. Remember these people hated President Clinton during his time as well. Take a look at the history of the Clinton President and who protested against him every time he left the country. These people are using you as a tool to forward their own goals. For the record Americans come in all colors and religions. This thread itself is a troll and the questions are from bad to worse. I hear that in parts of the European Union people are assisted in their "sucide" if they want it or not. These questions can not be taken at face value. That's rich. For the record, I am an American and I am sickened by how easily our Congress has given up many of our liberties. Yes, I do take action through dollars. I donate to organizations that are working to repeal the Patriot Act and stop this erosion of our freedoms. You may think these little concessions are fine - I don't. Who exactly are you referring to when you say "these people"? Most people on this planet do not hate us (amazingly) - though I'm pretty sure that most are as disgusted with the current administration and policies as I am. If you want to talk about 'tools' - take a look at all the sheep right here in the U.S. Tools, indeed. _____________________
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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08-04-2006 16:14
Well I suppose you better be careful of what you write if so worried. This thread is a bashing on Americans and that includes you. I would not answer the silly questions because of that. For your infomation, all of todays programs have been going on since the last President. Nothing has changed and if you think your bashing of our country will make the others love you. This is not true, remember this. To them you will always be an American first and they will hate you for that. It doesn't matter whether they love us, hate us, or are indifferent to us. Nothing anyone can do is going to change where we're headed. They can hate Americans if they like, but the people they're choosing to hate are as utterly powerless to change American policy as anyone else, regardless of what they'd like to do. They can hate us, but that only makes them just as much misdirected pawns as the most fanatical Bush supporters. Should I be careful about what I write? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe someday I'll go from unimportant and underneath radar to suddenly important enough to round up. I hope not, but who can say for certain? But I guess I'm just too vocal, too opinionated, too much of a reader, and not young enough to really change that now. C'est la vie. _____________________
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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08-04-2006 16:23
Take a look at the history of the Clinton President and who protested against him every time he left the country. These people are using you as a tool to forward their own goals. BS. I didn't like Clinton, either. You see, I'm not fooled by the "two-party" system. I noticed when Clinton gave us NAFTA. I can (now -- it took some time and research) read between the lines and see some of the reality behind the lies. Frankly, I don't believe the system is salvageable at all. The best hope is either another revolution (that won't happen) or total collapse (very possible). _____________________
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-04-2006 16:23
the last time I was overseas no one protested me, I never saw any of this anymosity that you're talking about. I think the people you asked just don't like you Ranma.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-04-2006 16:25
BS. I didn't like Clinton, either. You see, I'm not fooled by the "two-party" system. I noticed when Clinton gave us NAFTA. I can (now -- it took some time and research) read between the lines and see some of the reality behind the lies. Frankly, I don't believe the system is salvageable at all. The best hope is either another revolution (that won't happen) or total collapse (very possible). revolution = no civil war = possible/probable _____________________
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