When you see pictures of Jesus praying...

LOL

I think it's more on how you look at it not really twist it. It certainly is a fine line that can go either way and I do agree it is a paradox.

A naif question i feel i have to ask:

Why on earth a christian is supposed not to accept evolution as an explaination of what happened since the earth became a suitable environment for life?

Is it because the genesis says creation lasted 6 days? Is it because the genesis says that God made Adam using clay?

Catholics have no issues with that: they think that the genesis uses a symbolic language, useful to make people who lived 3000 years ago understand what happened, without getting into deatils and becoming boring (TV shows do the same all the time... ).

The important message in the genesis isn't the explaination of the means that God used to create the world...

An atheistic point of view could be:
3000 years ago, people didn't know of dynosaurs and how old was the earth, so they wrote what they thought was true...
but we don't have to negate the Divine inspiration of the writer to admit that what really matters isn't in the means God used to create the world...

After all, God could have found interesting to implement a mechanism like genetic mutations and natural selection... I saw interesting computer programs simulating that... It's fascinating...

Btw, one of the hypotesis about where the first autoreplicating moleculas appeared says it happened into clay... it seems a good environment for the generation of that kind of moleculas...

I will submit that there are references in the scriptures that describe 'great lizards' and 'wheels in the sky'. Interesting.

There is VERY little, scientifically speaking, that IS a fact. A theory is about as close as you're going to get.

And you forgot the end of that definition - an educated guess based on observation. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.

Atoms? Theoretical. The periodic table? Theoretical. The difference between a scientific theory and the word "theory" the way that you and other ID supporters use it is that for all intents and purposes, a scientific theory is as close to a working, valid, carved in stone fact as one can possibly have.

Mostly in the "I ate Peyote before I wrote it" sections though.

"Why on earth a christian is supposed not to accept evolution as an explaination of what happened since the earth became a suitable environment for life?"


There is nothing that states anywhere that a christian can or cannot believe evolution. Many do. The main message is salvation not creation. It is paramount and trumps all else in christianity.

That being said I do believe the Bible is god's word and should be taken literaly. 6 days of creation in the Bible negates millions of years of evolution. Others choose to interpret Genesis differently. The problem I have with not taking the Bible literaly is that is leaves it open for interpretation which causes much confusion. Man loves to twist things around to suit him and I am NO exception to that being a human and all. That's just my take on it.

Most of them dont. The "Holy Trinity" deal is strictly Catholic a religion which most posters on this thread seem to be equating with "christianity" but it ain't so.

My impression is that the protestant varieties of Christianity, and the born again "flavours of the month" outnumber the basic Catholics, but I cant find the figures this morning.

Which is just fine, knock yourself out, have fun, et. al. I have no problem with people believing whatever they want to believe. But for the love of all you hold holy, don't try pretending that your personal belief in a deity and/or a 2000 year old book is even on the same playing field as science. ESPECIALLY when one is talking about childrens' education.

i'm groggy and dont' feel like really waking up today; what's this thread about Cory?

"Mostly in the "I ate Peyote before I wrote it" sections though. "

LOL, and in the book of Acidius it says......


I have to say this has been a pretty interesting thread .

While I'm still trying to understand what you are saying Cory, it really seems to me that if it isn't fact there is some doubt and where there is some doubt it takes faith to believe it. Thats all I'm saying. I'm not trying to prove creation right and evolution wrong, that is isn't possible. Same the other way around.

Communists!

Thanks Kris....fer 'em or again' 'em?

I see where you're coming from, but in terms of science there is ALWAYS some doubt, because nothing can ever be completely known.

A good example I was taught was measurements. Say you have a piece of string that you measure out to 4 inches. Well, its not exactly 4 inches, because as you zoom in closer to the end of the string, you find you can measure it out to 4.12100021545 inches. But that's as close as you can get, because you can't see any closer. Get it under an electron microscope, and you can zoom in and get an even more accurate measurement, but that's still not its exact length, because you can zoom in even further and measure it with an even greater measure of accuracy.

See where I'm going with this? Science never claims to have the exact answer. Its all educated guesses - the key term being educated. Because we get result A 99.9% of the time, scientists can start basing other experiments on the likelyhood of result A happening, and all of a sudden we have Ipods and broadcast TV stations and asprin and all sorts of nifty stuff.



This thread is about how Jebus prays to Big Whitey in the Sky and how Stephen Hawking isn't God, as much as I'd like him to be.

thanks this saves me time. Hawking's a jerk!

Aww, they're harmless enough. Some are even cute

But he's a hell of a gansta rapper.

hehe, ghod I love peyote!

So here's a question I've been pondering for some time: what car would Jesus drive?

Definitely a vintage 1970 Microbus.

Its a love affair, mainly Jesus and my hotrod.


yeah, fuck it

A car?? Leck, i think you'll agree He is a biker...

Hijacking serious discussion threads about the trinity makes the baby jesus cry!

Actually there is a theory to intelligent design. Except from what I've read on scentific research they kind of blend in with evolution. I've read a paper that explained certain advances in human evolution could be explained by external sources such as dare I say it.. aliens or some other sentience.

I don't particulary mind scentific research being taught to kids. I mind if BS like "God created us" or "Aliens created us" is being taught, because there isn't enough evidence to actually suggest it.

From what I've read on recent media though, they don't have a intention of teaching anything particulary related to the science.

It's true! Just look at the measures they will go to to infect our kids with their religious ideals!