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Neehai Zapata
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10-06-2005 06:36
Do a significant number of Christians not believe in the Trinity?
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Cory Edo
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10-06-2005 06:38
Do a significant number of Christians not believe in the Trinity? I had always been under the impression that belief in the literal Trinity (the three-in-one godhead) was basically a Catholic thang. And if Kris runs into any religions she can't easily mock, I'll pick up the slack. _____________________
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ahkenatan Grommet
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10-06-2005 06:48
I will answer this one. Jesus was praying to God the father. He was a human being as well as part of God, one of the trinity. Most of what he did was as an example for us. Prayer being one of his many examples.
I will not try pretend to understand the trinity, like Evolution it's a matter of faith. My faith stems from personal experiences in my own life and my examination of the Bible. If you choose not to believe it that is your choice. We have been given a free will and we will all answer to God for it. While it is too bad many people are hostile to Christianity it does not suprise me as I have seen this all my life. Are there people who do bad things in the name of God? Yes, sadly there are and God will deal with them in one way or another. Rest assured of that. I don't normally post things in these types of threads, but since the Lord was merciful enough to sacrifice his Son for me the very least I can do is stand up for Him here. The very least. |
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Kris Ritter
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10-06-2005 06:51
If you choose not to believe it that is your choice. We have been given a free will and we will all answer to God for it. I love that about religion too... you can choose not to believe but you'll answer to your God for it anyway  Lemme give you the equivalent narrow-minded-atheist version of that: "You can choose to waste your life believing but you're in for a fucking shock when you're nothing more than wormfood" |
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Neehai Zapata
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10-06-2005 06:54
I will answer this one. Jesus was praying to God the father. He was a human being as well as part of God, one of the trinity. Most of what he did was as an example for us. Prayer being one of his many examples. Now my question to you is this. How prevalent is this belief in your religious circles? Is this something that most Christians believe or is it related specifically to a denomination or group of denominations? While you may find these questions offensive, I cannot understand why. There are many people in the world that have no base understanding of your religion and you have to admit, on the surface it is quite confusing. _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-06-2005 06:58
like Evolution it's a matter of faith. . ??? _____________________
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ahkenatan Grommet
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10-06-2005 06:59
I love that about religion too... you can choose not to believe but you'll answer to your God for it anyway Lemme give you the equivalent narrow-minded-atheist version of that: "You can choose to waste your life believing but you're in for a fucking shock when you're nothing more than wormfood" If that's how you want to believe that's absolutely fine. I have nothing against you or whatever you believe. If choose not to believe you'll answer to any being, great. Can I prove that you will or won't? No I cannot. Can I force you to believe in God? No I cannot. Can anything you say sway me from my beliefs? Certainly not. You made your choice and I made mine. How is that narrow minded? Especially since you don't believe in God (I think)? |
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Cory Edo
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10-06-2005 07:00
??? Yeah, I caught that one too. Its a sad commentary on the educational system in the United States when religion and science are interchangeable. No wonder we suck in the global workforce. _____________________
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Kris Ritter
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10-06-2005 07:01
??? Evolution is merely a theory, is it not? It says so right in the title of the book  |
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Cory Edo
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10-06-2005 07:02
Evolution is merely a theory, is it not? It says so right in the title of the book OMG stop that's not even funny. Try living over here and see how many ijits spout that one off while they try to change your kids' textbooks to promote Intellegent Design, aka God Dun Made The World. _____________________
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Sextus Baphomet
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10-06-2005 07:03
Why is it that the so-called defenders of diversity feel that it's ok to slam Christianity every chance they get? It is called hypocrisy, I believe. But it does not only plague the Godless and liberals. Simply take a peek at the personal lives of so many fire spitting religious fanatics. Do as I say, not as do... _____________________
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Kris Ritter
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10-06-2005 07:03
God Dun Made The World. "But what about the dinosaurs, Miss?" |
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Cory Edo
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10-06-2005 07:06
"But what about the dinosaurs, Miss?" Adam and Eve KEPT THEM! As PETS! Carbon dating is a tool of SATAN to make you doubt the existance of the LORD! _____________________
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ahkenatan Grommet
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10-06-2005 07:07
Now my question to you is this. How prevalent is this belief in your religious circles? Is this something that most Christians believe or is it related specifically to a denomination or group of denominations? While you may find these questions offensive, I cannot understand why. There are many people in the world that have no base understanding of your religion and you have to admit, on the surface it is quite confusing. Neehi it something that MOST christians believe. There are a rare few few that don't but they are rare. And I certainly don't find any of this offensive. There is alot of confusion out there. And Kendra, yes Evolution is a theory. Not a proven fact and that takes a leap of faith to believe. Just like Christianity. |
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Kris Ritter
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10-06-2005 07:10
And Kendra, yes Evolution is a theory. Not a proven fact and that takes a leap of faith to believe. Yes. All that bone and fossil evidence.. pah! Compared to... um... wait... uh.. what was the supporting evidence for your God again? I think I know which one I'll leap for  |
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Cory Edo
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10-06-2005 07:16
Damn you Kris, I knew this was going to come up.
Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to explain, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and univseral, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true. Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, and Hook’s law of elasticity. Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation. Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis. In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology. OK ahkenatan, check out the bolded and italicized part. That explains what the word "theory" means in the scientific term. THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS THE GENERAL USAGE OF THE WORD "THEORY". Unless detached groups of researchers can verify multiple times using proven hypotheses the existance of God, it is NOT in the same league as the theory of evolution. Not. Even. Close. _____________________
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ahkenatan Grommet
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10-06-2005 07:20
Yes. All that bone and fossil evidence.. pah! Compared to... um... wait... uh.. what was the supporting evidence for your God again? I think I know which one I'll leap for This is something that has been argued over for many years by more intelligent people than us. I honestly have looked at both Evolution and Creation theories. I personally felt that evolution was seriously lacking there was a lot that didn't make sense to me. Just as it seems there was a lot that didn't make sense to you about creation. There are theories to fit both and again it boils down to choice. Which one seemed to make more sense to you. I chose creation. Did I do this blindly? Certainly not. Although I am almost positive you will say I did. |
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Kris Ritter
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10-06-2005 07:22
That God fella was a lazy bastard too. Since it's a scientific fact that we share 98% of our DNA with chimps, and not much less with things like pigs. Just do the work once then live off the copies, huh? (Wooooooah... see the similarities to SL there?!?!)
Oh, and lemme save ahk or anyone having to respond to this.... christiananswers.net. |
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CrystalShard Foo
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10-06-2005 07:24
I honestly have looked at both Evolution and Creation theories. I personally felt that evolution was seriously lacking there was a lot that didn't make sense to me. Just curious... which bits of Evolution didnt make sense and required a leap of faith? |
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Kris Ritter
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10-06-2005 07:27
Just curious... which bits of Evolution didnt make sense and required a leap of faith? That whole bit where monkeys started talking I thought was pretty far fetched. And dinosaurs into birds... where the hell did all those teeth go?!  |
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Bill Diamond
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10-06-2005 07:37
That God fella was a lazy bastard too. Since it's a scientific fact that we share 98% of our DNA with chimps http://www.acfnewsource.org/science/dog_genome.html "...scientists and doctors interested in understanding more about human diseases see the dog genome paying off in the realm of human health as well. Dr. Elaine Ostrander of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, Wash. is currently conducting research into how cancer is passed down in dog families. Humans and dogs have almost identical DNA, so whatever information this investigation turns up should benefit human cancer research as well." (I guess my wife was right when she calls me a dog....) |
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Kris Ritter
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10-06-2005 07:39
[Humans and dogs have almost identical DNA Typical. The only thing we didnt get is the ability to lick our own... uh... n/m  |
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ahkenatan Grommet
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10-06-2005 07:41
Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.
Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis. It has to be my ignorance but it pretty much states that a theory is based on proven hypothesis which is defined as an educated guess. I'm trying to understand this but to me it still isn't fact. You hit the nail on the head Kris, I was going to say it does point to a creator, although I hadn't seen that article. To me it would only make sense that God would create human and animals with similiar organs and genetic make up since we inhabit the same planet. |
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Lena Nyak
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10-06-2005 07:44
You hit the nail on the head Kris, I was going to say it does point to a creator, although I hadn't seen that article. To me it would only make sense that God would create human and animals with similiar organs and genetic make up since we inhabit the same planet. It's quite the paradox, is it not, that you can hold up the same evidence and use it both for and against the very same argument depending on how you twist it? |
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Kris Ritter
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10-06-2005 07:46
You hit the nail on the head Kris, I was going to say it does point to a creator, although I hadn't seen that article. To me it would only make sense that God would create human and animals with similiar organs and genetic make up since we inhabit the same planet. It's quite the paradox, is it not, that you can hold up the same evidence and use it both for and against the very same argument depending on how you twist it? |
