First it would be good if people had the basic understanding that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq was just a more suitable country to invade than Saudi-Arabia.
Dead people are dead people, do it really matter who pulled the trigger? One should look at what has caused this situation.
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Finn Jensen
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10-09-2005 13:24
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-09-2005 13:26
Ahhh, because in war we should all really act like gentlemen? Of course. Get real. Abu Graib was a disgrace, a shame on all involved. But at least those poor souls who were mistreated can hope for some form of justice. So many people are keen to slate the US for their activities yet totally overlook the almost weekly beheadings and shootings of innocent people carried out by mostly foreign fighters on iraqi soil. You are arguing with me as if I think the mistreatment of anyone is acceptable. I don't. But I am also not naive enough to think ANY conflict is run according to the letter of the Geneva convention. War is a horrible, dirty, shame on us all. But it still happens, and I'd rather see a thousand people humiliated than one more slaughtered and allowed to choke on his own blood. if you can't understand my rationale there, then you need to watch these things. How about the weekly beheadings and shootings carried on by our allies the Saudis? What the hell did IRAQ do to the United States to deserve military occupation, slaughter of women and children and barbaric torture at the hands of OUR troops. This is NOT what I pay my taxes for. As far as your comment that you would rather see 1,000 "humiliated" than one slaughtered? where the hell is that number from? And what do you consider "humiliation"? To me humiliation is walking into a surprise party with my blouse undone. What your government is doing is EXACTLY what Saddam was doing. Your President is just as responsable for atrocities committed in our name, as Saddam. Open your freakin' eyes. _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
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10-09-2005 13:44
How about the weekly beheadings and shootings carried on by our allies the Saudis? What the hell did IRAQ do to the United States to deserve military occupation, slaughter of women and children and barbaric torture at the hands of OUR troops. This is NOT what I pay my taxes for. -I suppose you have proof of this. Exactly what "slaughter of women and children" are you talking about? I note that once again you give the terrorists a pass. And you pay your taxes so that you can live in this great country you continually bash rather than actually immigrating to a country who espouses your socialist beliefs like North Korea or China, because, in the end, the hypocrites on the Left would much rather be comfortable than put their freedom where their belief is. As far as your comment that you would rather see 1,000 "humiliated" than one slaughtered? where the hell is that number from? And what do you consider "humiliation"? To me humiliation is walking into a surprise party with my blouse undone. What your government is doing is EXACTLY what Saddam was doing. Your President is just as responsable for atrocities committed in our name, as Saddam. -Exactly what Saddam was doing? So we're running rape rooms and children's prisons? We're gassing the Kurds and the Iranians? Open your freakin' eyes. -My eyes are open. My vision just isn't obscured by rose colored glasses. Being the good socialist that you are, Kendra, certainly you know that "politcal power grows out of the barrel of a gun". So much for peace. -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-09-2005 13:50
...unless we're talking about abortion. That's an entirely acceptable way of devaluing human life. We actually had one really intelligent conservative in the forums almost a year ago, who really was a thrill to engage in the forums. After a few weeks, we were friends in forum and in world but he left to spend time in other virtual worlds. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-09-2005 13:52
So we're running rape rooms and children's prisons? yep. disgusting isn't it? _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
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What? No Facist?
10-09-2005 13:53
Why is it that there are a dozen whip-smart leftists in this forum but not a single neoconservative with the same qualities? Intelligent and well-educated neocons are as rare as unicorns. We actually had one really intelligent conservative in the forums almost a year ago, who really was a thrill to engage in the forums. After a few weeks, we were friends in forum and in world but he left to spend time in other virtual worlds. ~Ulrika~ Why are you so certain of your own intelligence? And why is it when you're called on your own hypocrisy all you can do is retreat to petty name calling? "Anne Coulter hurt my feelings! She's stupid and ugly!" But, I'm sure it must help you sleep better at night secure in the assurance of your own intellectual superiority. -Kiamat Dusk ...stupid dummy head... _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-09-2005 14:04
:::grabbing some popcorn and settling in :::::
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Kiamat Dusk
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10-09-2005 14:24
*plops down with a bag of Soy Crisps...snatches the remote...switches to FNC...
-Kiamat Dusk muahahahaha _____________________
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"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom" Eat me, you vile waste of food. http://writing.com/authors/suffer |
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-09-2005 14:34
*plops down with a bag of Soy Crisps...snatches the remote...switches to FNC... -Kiamat Dusk muahahahaha make sure to pour yourself a nice tall glass of kool-aid while your at it. _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
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Oh Yeah!!!!
10-09-2005 14:47
make sure to pour yourself a nice tall glass of kool-aid while your at it. An O'Reilly-ism from you, Kendra? Now I've seen everything. -Kiamat Dusk ...not a fan of Kool Aid... _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-09-2005 14:49
An O'Reilly-ism from you, Kendra? Now I've seen everything. -Kiamat Dusk ...not a fan of Kool Aid... The term pre-dates O'Reilly. _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-09-2005 15:52
And why is it when you're called on your own hypocrisy all you can do is retreat to petty name calling? I can't remember the name of that really bright conservative fellow. It's driving me crazy. It made me so sad when he left. Hmm. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-09-2005 15:54
The use of the word "hypocrisy" has become the catch-all ad-hominem fallacy, degraded due to its overuse to the status of a forum cliché. I can't remember the name of that really bright conservative fellow. It's driving me crazy. It made me so sad when he left. Hmm. ~Ulrika~ William F. Buckley played SL? Who knew? _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
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And then Santa Claus Said...
10-09-2005 15:55
The use of the word "hypocrisy" has become the catch-all ad-hominem fallacy, degraded due to its overuse to the status of a forum cliché. I can't remember the name of that really bright conservative fellow. It's driving me crazy. It made me so sad when he left. Hmm. ~Ulrika~ Yeah, I know what you mean. There used be the this really intelligent, well spoken Liberal in the forums who's arguments were always carefully researched and based on facts and completely devoid of rhetoric. Ok, I'm making that all up.  -Kiamat Dusk Draft the French _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-09-2005 15:57
Yeah, I know what you mean.  ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-09-2005 16:00
William F. Buckley played SL? Who knew? I think it was something like Drac or Dracus. Does that ring a bell with you? ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-09-2005 16:03
You know that guy, Kendra. He used to mix it up with folks in the off-topic forum. He'd give us all a real run for our money. It's just killing me that I can't remember it. I think it was something like Drac or Dracus. Does that ring a bell with you? ~Ulrika~ Oh yeah!!! I liked him --he was a N'burger for awhile as well --was going to be our Priest yes?I'm pretty sure if you look up your records on N'burg construction back in Summer of '04 he'd be listed on one of the build teams. Another conservative who still posts, that I respect greatly is Lecktor. Frankly, even Korg gave Kiamat a run for his money. _____________________
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Sextus Baphomet
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10-09-2005 16:31
Why is it that there are a dozen whip-smart leftists in this forum but not a single neoconservative with the same qualities? Maybe because the enemies of this country have pretty deep pockets and hire "the brightest" to spread their left-wing anti-american, anti-western rhetoric? Ever wonder why the Euro-American peace / leftist movements have never held a protest against the Soviets, Chinese, or Islamists no matter what attrocities they commit? Ever wonder why we never heard a peep from the peace /leftist movements on any of Bill Clinton's military adventures? All I have read here is bitching about Bush and American soldiers; - Not one word denouncing the Islamists blowing themselves up and taking hundreds of women and children with them. - I have not heard a word against the Arab led genocide of non-arabs in the Sudan. - I never recall seen peace loving Americans or Europeans taking to the streets to protest the systematic murder of Iraquis by the butcher of Baghdad or the rape of countless women by his sons. You can bitch all you want about our soldiers, but at least they have the heart to stand up to the evils of this world, while others are sitting on their ass cheering the enemy, enjoying the benefits obtained by the blood of so many brave Americans. I hope you all are able to sleep at night knowing that your support of the evil of the Husseins and Bin-Ladens of this world, places the blood of all those murdered by their likes in your hands. _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-09-2005 16:42
Oh yeah!!! I liked him --he was a N'burger for awhile as well --was going to be our Priest yes?I'm pretty sure if you look up your records on N'burg construction back in Summer of '04 he'd be listed on one of the build teams. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Waves Lightcloud
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10-09-2005 16:55
The Iraq Body Count recently surpassed 25,000 verified fatalities with estimated fatalities topping the 100,000 mark. I just wanted to remind folks that while 30 innocent people have been killed in London, the U.S. has a meat grinder in Iraq that's doing ten times that daily. Both are tragic. ~Ulrika~ Sorry Ulrika- Iam not sure on your underling meaning here ? The way I read though this is your making a statment that US forces are killing 300 innocent people daily in Iraq. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-09-2005 17:00
Maybe because the enemies of this country have pretty deep pockets and hire "the brightest" to spread their left-wing anti-american, anti-western rhetoric? More likely that the best and brightest of this country are well-read, well informed and able to think for themselves rather than accept the spoon fed propoganda offered by the wealthy corporate elite. Ever wonder why the Euro-American peace / leftist movements have never held a protest against the Soviets, Chinese, or Islamists no matter what attrocities they commit? Actually, I wonder at your ignorance of the fact that we have --and do regularly Ever wonder why we never heard a peep from the peace /leftist movements on any of Bill Clinton's military adventures? really? where were you during Clinton's approvals of DOMA, NAFTA and his agression in Kosovo. The left was damned noisy about it. For the record --you do know Clinton was a centrist and not left wing? Right? All I have read here is bitching about Bush and American soldiers; There goes that strange RW habit of conflating disgust at Bush and his illegal war-mongering with an anti-troop stance. Show me one example of an anti-troop rant that you have found. I'll wait, but I won't hold my breath. - Not one word denouncing the Islamists blowing themselves up and taking hundreds of women and children with them. I have not heard a word against the Arab led genocide of non-arabs in the Sudan. ; Sure ya have. - I never recall seen peace loving Americans or Europeans taking to the streets to protest the systematic murder of Iraquis by the butcher of Baghdad or the rape of countless women by his sons. We did like crazy even back when he was supposedly our ally. Did you? You can bitch all you want about our soldiers,. We support our troops and thank them for their service. We hope to bring them home safely. but at least they have the heart to stand up to the evils of this world, Which makes it all the more tragic that these brave men and women are being forced to commit atrocities in our name by a war-mongering thug. while others are sitting on their ass cheering the enemy, enjoying the benefits obtained by the blood of so many brave Americans., You're the one cheering Bush --not me. BTW --why aren't you in Iraq? I hope you all are able to sleep at night knowing that your support of the evil of the Husseins and Bin-Ladens of this world, places the blood of all those murdered by their likes in your hands. I won't sleep well until the fascists are frog-marched out of our Whitehouse. To say I support Terrorism or Bin Laden and Hussein is a remarkably offensive, especially considering both Bin Laden and Hussin in their times have recieved the greatest share of support from Republican administrations. BTW --where is Bin Laden? _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-09-2005 17:00
I hope you all are able to sleep at night knowing that your support of the evil of the Husseins and Bin-Ladens of this world, places the blood of all those murdered by their likes in your hands. One can either argue a point logically (which is rare for neoconservative pundits) or rhetorically (which is typical of neoconservative pundits). If one chooses to argue rhetorically, one should be aware that it has the most effect on those who already share the that individuals view. That is, it can be used to incite those who already share your beliefs. (Think propaganda and Fox News.) In this case, you're failing twice. First, in that those who are participating in this conversation are doing so logically, making your rhetoric seem primitive, angry and out of place. Second, you're employing extreme rhetoric on a group that does not share your beliefs. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-09-2005 17:01
I did a lot of searching in our group forum but I just can't seem to find one of his posts. The name Dracus Templar keeps coming to mind but I can't find it in the forums. Oh well. It will forever remain a mystery. ~Ulrika~ That was it. Dracus Templar!! _____________________
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Daz Honey
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in 1977 Tom Robinson wrote..
10-09-2005 17:11
( my two L cents worth)
This left vs right struggle has been going on for all of our lives and being a product of the punk generation (i'm 39 now), I have made my stand, firmly on the left. A band only a few of us know about had a huge album back in 1977, "Power in the Darkness" by The Tom Robinson Band is full of great writting and firmly on the political left. Of course with their very-pro stands on gay rights, female rights and general hatred of the right wing fascists they were never given their due as artists, and it's a shame because they had serious talent, it's not 3-chord punk it's richer and has hints of The Eagles (rock songs) anyway if you are a lefty and enjoy music or a righty who needs someone else to blame for people liking sex hear a sample of this song on the fine, fine TRB website.http://www.tomrobinson.com/records/albums/pitd.htm) Better Decide Which Side You're On All you downtrodden people Always bear the brunt Just sit back on you fat backsides Till you have to face the Front Waiting till the bullyboys get you Don't make no kind of sense And pretty soon there'll be no room For sitting on the fence You better decide which side you're on This ship goes down before too long If Left is right then Right is Wrong You better decide which side you're on Too bad for the gay revolution This is as far as we get And if you think you're free, well listen to me You ain't seen nothing yet We're all gonna feel the backlash Of puritannical power And kicking us down into the ground Gonna be their Finest Hour You better decide which side you're on The chips go down before too long If Left is right then Right is Wrong You better decide which side you're on Too late, trendy thinkers Your time is running out Ain't no time to wonder why Ain't no time for doubt Joseph, Reed and Whitehouse Are out to get your guts You better decide which side you're on Forget those ifs and buts _____________________
All children are artists. The problem is how to remain an artist once he grows up. - Pablo Picasso
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-09-2005 18:27
That was it. Dracus Templar!!  ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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