All your womb are belong to us

Just to lighten things up for a moment...Can I have a womb with a view?


On a serious note... I do believe that a woman has a right to choose but should be responsible in her decision. IMO, don't get mad, a woman knows within the first few months if she intends to keep the baby or not. Waiting to the 3rd trimester to have an abortion just doesn't seem right to me.

I absolutely agree with this.

You have the history book, dipshit, look it up for yourself. To the best of my recollection, we went there to shoot babies and pregnant women. Der.

I provided you with the link to the Army's account, but forgot that you prefer to make things up rather than trouble your eyes and so-called "brain" with "fact" you didn't make up yourself, asswipe.

Note: "dipshit" and "asswipe" are used to denote respect.

That's true in a best case scenario. It's not true on a factual level.

The point is, if you'd wanted to have an abortion, you had the choice. I'm very sorry for what happened to you.

And are you trying to say that there is no reason for abortion even when the mother's life is in danger? Even the Catholic church allows for abortion under those circumstances. I've been a registered nurse for a long time, working in neonatal intensive care and obstetrics. I've seen women die from complications of pregnancy. It's not pretty.

In case you don't keep up with the Batshit Conspiracy Theory Journal Monthly, there is set of batshits that look upon the 14th amendment of the US Constitution:And think that this doesn't mean that Supreme Court decisions are the law of the land.

It took until Brown v. Board of Education (1954) for the Supremes to issue a decision saying that yes, the 14th amendment does mean what it says. Subscribers to the Batshit Conspiracy Theory Journal Monthly consider this to have been the height of judicial "activism" and think that we'd be better off if the Bill of Rights didn't apply to anyone (except maybe themselves). According to latest subscription lists, our Dear Der does receive the BCTJM.

Of course, I can't actually get the subscription list from the BCTJM because the First Amendment allows Der the right to freely associate with fellow Batshits, except the Fist Amendment doesn't apply to me because I think the Brown v Board decision was stupid.

To throw some gas on the fire...

Does anyone else here find it interesting that a woman is currently allowed to abort her child, but if the father beats the mother and the baby is aborted, he's charged with murder?

Wife beating aside, I don't think the law should play both sides of the fence. It's either a baby or it's not. If it's not, then he shouldn't be facing murder charges.

As I understand it, he *can* be, if the situation warrents it or they want to try to press the case. Not that he is automaticly.

Not that I'm going to care a lick for what happens to a man who beats his wife.

It may not seem right to you (or even me), but there is a vast gulf between what seems right and what people actually do.

Some scientists who studied what people actually do, looked in depth at the reasons for abortion and infanticide. We may think that infanticide is morally reprehensible, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen or that there aren't possibly justifiable reasons for it. As an example, imagine a mother who bore a healthy child and loves it as we generally expect a mother to do. And then a few months later finds that her material circumstances have become drasticly bad with the expectation they might remain so for the next couple of years. The woman can choose a "post-natal" abortion and wait until circumstances may be more propitious, or she can choose to keep the child who may be subject to malnourishment or abuse and will be forever deficient because of it. Recall that for about 99.7% of human's time on this planet, such sudden changes of fortune were quite common. A woman's decision toward infanticide in this example may be morally repugnant to us, but may be rational and optimal for her and her baby.

The title of the chapter in which these sorts of circumstances, rationales, and actions were explored was "Desperate Decisions".

But I had one at 35 weeks into my pregnancy because I was tired of being fat and wearing maternity clothes. I just wanted to be able to drink beer and wear my skinny clothes again. I thought I wanted to be pregnant the whole time but changed my mind once it got to be too inconvenient.

personally i am not sure that i would ever have an abortion - because in all honesty, women have abortions for a myriad of reasons. and even though i may never have an abortion, no man sitting in a senate house is going to tell me what i can, and can't do with my body.

All joking/pot stirring aside for the moment....

I agree with Spinner about knowing in the first trimester that you are pregnant and if you are going to keep it or abort.

But what about the people that swear they had no clue they were pregnant until they gave birth? Like this woman

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11363362/from/RL.5/

A friend of mine said she had no clue that she was pregnant until the night she went to the hospital with "horrible gas pains" and found out that she was in labor. I find that extremely hard to believe, you don't miss the swelling of the belly. what in the hell did she think was going on when the baby was kicking?

I had a very hard time believing her. But that could also be because she was a known liar about anything she said.

Let's set the record straight. I'm not comparing a woman who aborts her baby-yes baby-to a group of cells. I'm comparing her to any other murderer. I think murder should be no safer for her or her accomplice (read: abortion "doctor" than it is for any other murderer.

And you should think about what you said about the kittens. Fact is, if an animal in on the endagered species list, it likely does have more rights than an unborn child.

The fact that you can't see how reprehensible this state of affairs is, is precisely the reason we need laws like this.

-Kiamat Dusk

I always thought the people who claimed to never know they were pregnant were liars - but, truth be told, with my second child I did not know until I was 4 months along. I knew right away with my first one - I used to smoke, lit one up and it made me sick (it had happened to me with my first pregnancy which ended in miscarriage, so I started smoking again).

I had even had a blood test within the first or second month that came back negative, so when I got a home pregnancy test and the second line was just as pink as it could be, I thought for sure I'd be delivering in, oh November. When I went to the doctor, imagine the surprise when they told me I was about 20 weeks along . I thought they were kidding, had the ultrasound and saw they weren't... and that it was a boy! And then he had the nerve to be late and I had to be induced!

But the people who go the full term without knowing?? Either not too bright or liars.

(BTW, I do know of someone who did have a late term abortion. All seemed to be going well with the pregnancy and the baby - then an ultrasound showed that the baby had either no brain or an underformed brain (not sure which, but the prognosis was that the baby would not survive out of the womb) - I'm sure she would not have chosen to abort that baby at that late stage, most women don't)

If men had wombs do you think for a second that anyone would be trying to outlaw abortion? And by the logic you're using I hope you don't masturbate. Think of all the babies you're murdering!

Oh boy. .time for plan "C".

Puisqu'unique assez stupide à désirer commander autres vies cette manière ne pourrait lire des Français. J'ai pensé que j'essayerais de sortir de ce pays en épousant quelqu'un du Canada. Si des gentilles femmes de là voudraient un mari svp écrivez-moi. Réponses sérieuses seulement.

Ah, this tired argument again. Here's a fact for you, Chip. There are plenty of women, all with wombs mind you, who vehemnetly object to abortion and who also believe that it is murder. But since this line won't get you laid with them, you completely negate their opinion.

-Kiamat Dusk

This is about that whole maple syrup issue, isn't it???

-Kiamat Dusk

I'm a woman and I have a uterus (let's just call a spade a spade and say uterus from now on, I hate the word "womb". I am the mother of a 12 year old girl and hopefully, will have another baby one of these days. I am also vehemently pro-choice. So, Chip, that line would get you laid with me *wink* except that I'm married

Uhm... what?

Object to abortion and who believe it's murder.... I thought those where the majority.
(maybe you meant Object to abortion banning?)

Okay, you've all changed my mind. I've just introduced legislation to make abortion mandatory in all cases regardless of the wishes of the mother.

In fact, I have just added a rider that requires women to undergo periodic D&Cs just to make sure that none sneak by.

Thanks for your input on the matter; it has been duly noted.

That's rough. If I were in that situation I don't know what I would do. Part of me thinks that I would abort since there would be no purpose in carrying on with the pregnancy, yet the other part of me thinks that I would continue on until I deliver and then donate the infants organs for babies that could benefit from them. It's weird that I have been thinking about that right now, but I think I tend to get paranoid and think things through wayyy too much during pregnancy.

OK, back to MTV's Real Life: I am competitive eater show. Nothing else is on lol

Before I forget and go to bed...

Kevn-
Those children in foster care were babies at one time that no one wanted to adopt. There are babies born to crack whores that no one wants now. Don't say that there are no babies to adopt when you mean that there are no DESIRABLE,PERFECT,NO PROBLEM HAVING babies that you want.

Why don't you be a man and help those children that ARE here and that do need someone to show them that the world isn't all horrible and that they are capable of being loved? Too many kids are left in the system because of people like you, people that don't want a "damaged child." I think God would like to see those children taken care of before anyone else.

I know you can find a bunch of verses in the bible that back me up. Especially the one where Jesus says to hang a stone around your neck and throw yourself into the sea before you harm a child.

By ignoring those children in foster care that so desperately need someone to love them, you are basically telling God you don't care. That you would rather "save the sinners and the world" on your terms and not his.

I plan on being a foster parent for troubled children when mine are old enough to understand what it would mean, and to understand that there are other kids that are not lucky enough to know what it is like to have a parent love you for no other reason than just being there.

It's just sad that you miss the whole point.