All your womb are belong to us

*looks around cautiously*

so... how do you feel about the "right to die" movement?

*cackles and runs off laughing maniacally*

well speaking of someone who was raped by their uncle at the age 17, i'm still strongly agains't abortion and don't tolerate any excuse for murdering a child. from the minute another life is concieved, if you abort it you are murdering another life. you don't want the kid, there's adoption for those many parents who cannot be fortunate enough to concieve their own or simply want to expand their family or start their own family by taking in the children that parents seem to reject for their own selfish reasons.
anyone who thinks of abortion should never have a second chance at motherhood again.
now hows that for ya sally? i'm woman, i was raped whats your point? you still want to justify murder? THERE IS NO REASON FOR ABORTION....EVER!

Kevin who really cares about a woman's reason for getting an abortion? It is not your body nor does it belong to the government. The reason is immaterial.

Only someone who thinks he or she knows what is good for other people tries to tell others how to live their own lives. This all sounds like a Repubican agenda or something.

We have suffered enough erosion of our personal freedoms under the current regime.

Susie, the fetus isn't the woman's body. Is that so hard to understand?

Holy fuck I hope you are sterile.

I know it is not yours nor does it belong to the government. Duh....

No child belongs to her parents, to kill. Amazing some people think it's okay to kill a child because the "mother" is inconvenienced. I put mother in quotations because I don't think a real mother could choose to kill her child. I understand some just aren't meant to be mothers, but adoption is an option.

Kevin I really advise you to go back to square one and re-read the Constitution including all of the amendments. Denying someone's rights, based on your own convictions, is not supported by USA law.

I know you will ignore my advice as always.

Oh and by the way you aren't a mother. You have no right to tell others what to do.

Teach me, what part of the constitution am I breaking?

Pretty much the whole thing.

So if you aren't a father you can't tell men they must pay child support unless they agreed to have a child.

Show me, I'm patient.

*passes out troll corn*
Since ya'll wont' quit feeding him.

Call them peacekeepers if you like, but when you send troops into a country who kill and are killed and the US Army historians use phrases like "one of the bloodiest and fiercest urban firefights since the Vietnam War" and "The battles of 3-4 October were a watershed in U.S. involvement in Somalia" I call it a war.

Of course I fully expect you to try and define war so that you don't look clueless. I mean, if you can't trust the US Army, who can you trust? (except god, of course, but that goes without saying, my brother). Der.

Someone entertain lector, he's too bored to stop reading this dreadful thread.

It's a pleasant way to spend a few minutes if nobody else is around to beat on. I can't believe his capacity to take punishment.

We were in Somalia to help them with a terrible civil war. We fed them and defended the weak.

You might need a lecture on what constitutes war.

War: A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.

We were not fighting any party, we were defending ourselves as we tried to feed the dying poor. See, you can never please a liberal. If we let them starve you would demand accountability. If we lose some Americans saving innocent lives, you say we were in a terrible war.

I'm not trying to make you look clueless. No need.

Yes you are all wrong again. Nobody forces men to father children and I don't see it as my responsibility to pay for raising other people's children. What does this have to do with your homework assignment anyway?

Yes, but it is a Part of a woman's body, I think we all know this by now, No one knows what life a baby will have just by looking at it once and then giving it away. If they know that if this baby were to be born with a defect, and not to live a long healthy life, I say it is not worth the suffering of anyone in relation to the baby in question.

The circle of life and death isn't going to stop just because someone says "oh! oh! killing babies who might not have a chance in hell is wrong!" I understand there has been mericles in the past, but no one ever knows for certian what will happen.

An abortion isn't a easy choice, to know they will have a empty hole inside of them their entire life. they imagine this could have BEEN my son, or this could have BEEN My daugher

in the early 1920's even throughout history, Women were at the mercy of the churches, and they were pressured to give birth, women were giving birth to the point of DEATH, while husbands drank away their paycheque and the mothers and children would die from malnutricion, It happens to this day in some countries.

I'm not saying what is right and what is wrong, or even telling anyone what to do,
in this world today I have a voice as many women do and I let no one take that from me.

If no one likes my words its a shame because there is still CHOICE in certian places
but every day we should be glad in the places where we live where we still have it. All of us not just women.

Just my two cents, nothing more nothing less.

I think you need a lecture on what constitues coherent thought. Open: 'twasn't covert; armed: there were guns and soldiers; prolonged: a couple of years, 1/3000 of the earth's existence; conflict: guns were shot, people died; parties: one hell of a party as far as I could tell from 30km.

I just had the most distressing image of you wanking in response to all this abuse you bring upon yourself. Excuse me, I have to go trepanate myself to make it go away.

Who exactly were we fighting in Somalia?

Women get a choice as to whether or not to be a parent. The man has no such choice. Unless you are the father you can't say what's right for him. If he decides not to be a parent within the time abortion is an option, he should be able to pay for an abortion and be free of responsibility. It's only fair both genders have reproductive rights.

If you say he has a choice, before sex, I agree, and say the same about the woman.

Ok, first of all, you just contradicted yourself by first saying "The man has no such choice" and then also saying "If you say he has a choice, before sex, I agree, and say the same about the woman."

It takes two people to have sex, ok? And sex makes babies.

Now let me address the second point.

"If he decides not to be a parent within the time abortion is an option, he should be able to pay for an abortion and be free of responsibility."

Newsflash: poor people have sex. And they are also the ones who are absolutely not in a position to pay for all the needs of a child. Sex is EVERYWHERE! It's an EPIDEMIC! Now, I am not saying that poor people shouldn't have sex, in fact, I'm one of those poor people. I'm just saying that once you have A Kid, certain things must happen, for instance, no more late nights with your friends and you dragging in at 4am, if at all. No more getting up at noon. No more grocery receipts displaying just Top Ramen and soda, 'cause after all, a growing kid must eat well, and neither Top Ramen or soda fit into the healthy food category.

Fact is, we've all heard the horror stories of foster homes (except maybe you), and sometimes adopted kids are welcomed into wonderful homes. As an adopted child myself, I can say that adoption can be a wonderful thing.

You aren't considering the deep emotional trauma a person goes through when they give up their child for adoption, not to mention the child's personal emotional trauma. A woman also goes through deep emotional trauma if she has an abortion. It's between a rock and a hard place, basically. There are a hell of a lot of unhappy unadopted kids out there. China is full of orphanages filled with unadopted children. Did you know that they are, like, 80% girls? Maybe 90%.

Someone in this thread said that pregnancy as a punishment is a pretty stupid idea. I agree. Now, you don't know me, and I doubt you know any families that have experienced adoption, and you don't know what I've been through -- or what I could have been through if I hadn't been adopted. So just shut the fuck up.

That they ARE amendments should be clear enough to anyone that the constitution is not a limitation of rights and that rights exist outside of it's immediate context.



A blastocyst without implantation does not a baby make. So I can not possibly degrade a blastocyst. The undifferentiated grouping of cells has no concerns as to what happens to it one way or another. YOUR definition of 'baby' overly empowers nonfunctional groupings of cellular non-life. If we had technology to transfer womb implantations (or complete, viable artificial wombs), you could probably go somewhere with the unwanted pregnancy arguement. But we don't, so you can't.



Comparing a woman to an unformed grouping of cells is, again, extremely degrading to the woman. I would hold that newborn kittens have more rights than your definition of 'baby' should ever have. Kittens are much cuter anyway.

Wrong.

Next time try don't using absolutes if you want to get people to listen to your position.