Protest Warrior HQ

I'm glad to hear you suppor the war in Iraq and are willing to help out.

You can still help with the war effort, Neehai. While you may not be able to join the military, you can still work for DOD, CIA, FBI, Department of Homeland Defense, or join a company who is building that infrastructure in Iraq.

So...how good an American *are*you, Neehai?


-Kiamat Dusk

*waves back* Hi, Eboni!!! Nice to meet you!

-Kiamat Dusk

I don't see what this has to do with me. Have you enlisted? Have your young able-bodied "Protest Warriors" enlisted to support the war?

I have spent the last decade of my life working in developing nations. I go places many "Protest Warriors" would be too fucking scared to even venture close to. I do all this without carrying a gun. In more than one circumstance I was the only person on my trips not allowed to carry a gun.

Do you have any idea what it is like to go into a Muslim nation and begin telling the women that they don't have to circumsize themselves? Do you have any idea how the men in that area perceive you while you do this work?

Have you ever stood up to a council of men and stood with a few strong members of the community to demand that the systematic torture of a widow stop immediately?

I've been on the ground and seen true courage from people who have everything to lose and everything to gain.

So yes, I've done my part on the ground. I hav also done my part at home to support the troops fighting in a war I do not support. (hint: I do not have a bumper sticker on my car as that would be the least I could do and the least is not my style)

So my previous offer stands. I encourage all the "Protest Warriors" to stand up and put their money where their mouth is. Our military is suffering from under-enlistment. They don't need protesters. They need soldiers.

Come on big man. Show us what you're made of. It's easy to fight a war from your living room. Enlistment in the 101st Fighting Keyboards is way above the necessary levels. We need some of you to transfer over to active duty.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Neehai, but I've been serving for the past 11 years.

-Kiamat Dusk
USN

What? You find someone being intolerant of intolerant assholes to be ironic? I call it justified. To each his own.

Great. Now we have Ardith on record as saying that intolerance is justifiable. Thank you.

-Kiamat Dusk
"Tolerance is the virtue of a man without conviction." -GK Chesterton

Good job. Now I think it is time to get the rest of your "Protest Warrior" friends to enlist.

I know the two young men fro the website look like they could do some good in Iraq.

Kiamat is one in a long line of individuals who use patriotism to coerce and enforce conformity at the expense of freedom. Never trust anyone who questions your patriotism, Yoda wouldn't hang with them and neither would I.

~Ulrika~

Indeed. Unlike my more idealistic and pacifistic brethren, I'm very much in favor of persecuting anti-American bigots. If you don't believe in tolerance, and if you refuse to respect the individual rights of others, then you don't deserve my respect let alone my tolerance. Your right to be a beligerent, narrow-minded fool ends when you attempt to curtail my (or anyone else's) individual rights and freedoms.

Of course, the standard idiotic response at this point is to claim that I'm curtailing your right to curtail my rights. That I'm imposing my viewpoint of non-imposition on you. Feel free to say it. I'd expect no less from someone such as yourself.

It's okay Ulrika. I am 100 times better an American than Kiamat.

Ok this thread has broken down the the point that it's totally worthless. Really...

Yup, you're right. Time for a new topic.

-Kiamat Dusk

I think that about says it all. This policy served it's purpose and its demise is long overdue.

What say you?

-Kiamat Dusk
Unhyphenated American

As mentioned on Howard Stern:
Real Doll

WARNING: the website linked above contains adult material that is not suitable for children and/or prudes. Material is R-rated and should not be viewed if you are sensitive or 'cold'.

*blinks* Ummm...what does that have to do with Affirmative Action?

-Kiamat Dusk
Confused

Hahahah.. sorry, I thought you guys were asking for a new topic. I felt it was fitting.




EDIT: updated, becuase in my earlier post, I quoted the wrong post from Kiamat.

I'd say that your opinion is lacking a substantive argument to back it up. How about impressing us with your abilities to seek out and logically analyze data instead of regurgitating right-wing dogma like a Chatty Kathy doll.

~Ulrika~

sure .. get an accurate mathmatical model calculating how is owed due to uncounted years of favoritism towards white males.

Send the bill to the benificiaries of all this favoritism.

And cut checks to every single victim of discrimation that resulted in a lesser education or financial situation.

Add a complete elimaination of any remaining povererty that disproportionally effects minorities.

Pay off any child support bills that are due due to cultural changes caused by this economic disenfranchisement.

Once all these bills are paid,

Feel free to phase out affirmitive action.

I must have missed it. When are the great founders of the RL Protest Warriors enlisting?

I'm sure the white male favoritism will come as welcome news to hundreds of thousands of unemployed and homeless white males. Once we get their Supremacy Assurance checks out in the mail, I'm sure they'll be back to enjoying the typical white male standard of living.

I oppose affirmative action on racial grounds, just as I oppose slavery reparations. If we are to begin reimbursing people for past misfortune, than I think my check should be in the mail. My Irish ancestors were abused and enslaved by the Romans, harassed and oppressed by the British, enslaved by Barbary corsairs, and beaten and abused by early Americans. We've got a rich history of abuse and enslavement. Should I be reimbursed for these misdeeds? Should we then begin reimbursing everyone for the misdeeds which were visited upon their ancestors?

Affirmative action is repugnant because it assumes that persons of a certain race require aid while assuming that those of other races do not. It's racist to assume that a black child is incapable of getting into college by virtue of his intelligence and talent alone.

By the way: a lot of universities are now predominantly white female. Admissions of white males continue to decline at a steady pace, and the minimum standards for their admission continue to increase.

Affirmative action exists not to pay people back for past wrong doings.

Affirmative action exists to equalize the playing field TODAY becuase minorites start out from a lower level of social economic privledge.

The only other way to level the playing field would be to give those who deserve affirmative action the same average social and economic conditions as white males.

That would cost a ton of money. That was my point. Is no way the country could afford it.

I do not mean to suggest there arent white males out of work, or that that is a good thing, of course it isnt.

However minorities, are worse off. Unemployment is higher, crime in many communities is higher, police corruption higher and enforcement lower.

So yes .. It would basically ruin those who do not receive Affirmative action now standard's of living to pay for a level play field. Face it - theres not enough money to make everyone happy.

OR we can keep affirmitve action and work on ensuring it is as fair as possible.

Eventually the field should level itself.

Additionally an end to discrimation would go a long way to reducing the need for affirmative action.

Or we could give minorities credit for being able to pull themselves up. Besides being state sanctioned discrimination, its also plain bigotry. Basically what youre saying to the minorities is: Yeah, we white folks made it on our own, but you minorities, you need help from us. You cant possibly do it by yourselves like we did.

-Kiamat Dusk

Did I just agree with Ardith!? I did! I did agree with Ardith!!!


-Kiamat Dusk

Affirmative Action used as a "patch" to help out minorities doesn't fix the problem at it's root, where it should be fixed. If you have a leaky pipe you don't put a bucket under it and use a pump to move the water to a drain. (Which is inefficient as well, just as AA is a mild drag on the economy in general.) Just fix the leak--in this case the "leak" is actually MANY root problems with a whole range of causes.

Start with piss poor popular culture, the decline of the family, lack of responsibility, work ethic, trash (or lack of) education, and the idea that the only way to get out of poverty is through gifts and help from the government (which doesn't seem to work too well).

How to fix all these, I have no damn clue, but minorities aren't getting turned down for work overwhemingly because of racism anymore. Not where I come from anyway. Also, AA doesn't help too much if there's nobody skilled enough (or even willing) to take whatever jobs. (i.e. lack of education, motivation, and training) Although I'm not sure how much of a factor that is.

And I refuse to believe that, in the "richest nation" in the world, there "isn't enough money to go around". If that's true, the human race is royally screwed...

NO .. wow, you really dont get it. Minorities, most notably African Americans, were OPRESSED. and they still have a lower starting point on average than white people from which to "pull themselves" up from.

OF course minorities pull themselves up. To say they should have to struggle even more than they have for sake of ending a perceived discrimation is a bad arguement.

Once the after effects of Opression are gone then there will no longer need to be affirmative action.

Drive through the inner cities. look at prison statistics of racial make up. look at mean incomes, test scores in high school. > then come back and try to claim all vestiges of socio economic disadvantage are already gone.

Tell me no one is discrimatory against minorities in hiring and promotions.

The fact there are poor white people, and rich african americans is NOT proof affirmative action is no longer needed.

When the median statndard of living of African Americans and the Median Standard of Living of White Americans is closer then you can start thinking about it.