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Kevn Klein
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08-16-2006 10:33
From: Kendra Bancroft
It accomplished one thing, Kevbo -- At least you can no longer claim to be a Neualtenburger. Frankly that always turned my stomach.

Mine too Kendra-pie, because everyone tied Ulrika to Neualtenburg.

BTW, why the bitterness? Have I offended thee?

You know I love you, right? :)
Finning Widget
No Ravens in my Mailbox
Join date: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 591
08-16-2006 10:34
From: Kevn Klein
What really happened is we decided to discard the name neualtenburg. Your DMCA forced us to do absolutely NADA! It was completely in error, as DMCA has nothing to do with names.


And you would know/be capable of saying this because you're obviously a lawyer, and may legally provide a professional opinion on what the DMCA's scope is, and is not? Right?

From: Kevn Klein


As for the forum, LL has rules that require the people who set up the forum to maintain control. Even though you both agreed it would be controlled by the N'burg government, which you both left, it had no bearing on LL's policy. Hence, you and she were able to keep it.

So, your DMCA filing was a waste, it never forced anyone to do anything. Thank you for allowing my the opportunity to clarify this issue.


Again - you can 'clarify' this issue because you're a lawyer, and may legally and ethically provide a legal opinion - thereby practicing law - ?

I'm not a lawyer.

But I /am/ informed enough to be /terribly/ aghast and also simultaneously /amused/ by this kind of high-handed but blatantly misconceived public statement. I suppose that Kevn Klein was one of the people who participated in the N'Burg government at the time that the issues over Ulrika's intellectual property arose.

If /I/were informed by someone publicly (who had previously found cause to file a DMCA complaint with Linden Labs over /my/ handling of her intellectual property) that other legal recourse may in the future be pursued regarding /compensation/ for work performed - I wouldn't ever post a single iota of information - not my opinion on it, not even acknowledging the situation - without that public statement first having gone through my lawyer and my PR department. Yes, ///department///.

I am unable to comprehend the mindset of someone who believes that where the law is engaged, open-mouth-insert-unschooled-foot equates to a valid formula for self-interest.

Which is not to say, of course, that every night I pray the following prayer, I am not thankful: "I have only ever prayed one prayer, and it was thus: 'Oh Lord, make mine enemies ridiculous.' - And it was granted." -- Voltaire.

I am also unable to comprehend what is so difficult to understand with the phrase "...content in the N'burg forum ..." that would confuse someone into believing that a DMCA request had been made over a trademarkable piece of intellectual property instead of copyrightable pieces of intellectual property. But, perhaps my expectations in this instance are too high.
Kevn Klein
God is Love!
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,422
08-16-2006 10:39
From: Finning Widget
And you would know/be capable of saying this because you're obviously a lawyer, and may legally provide a professional opinion on what the DMCA's scope is, and is not? Right?.........
Snip.....

Why don't you read the DMCA and find out what it says, then try reading the copyright laws, then read the trademark laws.

Then you too can be informed as to what the DMCA does NOT cover, k? tkx :)
Finning Widget
No Ravens in my Mailbox
Join date: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 591
08-16-2006 10:40
From: Kevn Klein
Yes, yes. That would suit you well. I remember your mod skills. That way you never really need to debate anyone. If they disagree with you, you simply edit/delete their posts. That's the ticket, yeah!


Would it be too much to ask that you join the rest of us on MAPSCO page 18?
Finning Widget
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Join date: 27 Feb 2006
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08-16-2006 10:41
From: Kevn Klein
Snip.....

Why don't you read the DMCA and find out what it says, then try reading the copyright laws, then read the trademark laws.

Then you too can be informed as to what the DMCA does NOT cover, k? tkx :)


Would it be too much to ask that you join the rest of us on MAPSCO page 18?
Finning Widget
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Join date: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 591
08-16-2006 10:46
From: Kevn Klein
Snip.....

Why don't you read the DMCA and find out what it says, then try reading the copyright laws, then read the trademark laws.

Then you too can be informed as to what the DMCA does NOT cover, k? tkx :)


I am informed enough to believe that where the law is concerned, I have the equivalent of a homebrew GPS unit and to believe that you are examining the moss on the southerly side of trees.

To put it a different way, - I am unimpressed with your fulfillment of the stereotype that males are unwilling or unable to stop for directions when obviously lost, whether on the street or in a conversation or any other situation.
Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
08-16-2006 10:46
From: Kevn Klein
Mine too Kendra-pie, because everyone tied Ulrika to Neualtenburg.

BTW, why the bitterness? Have I offended thee?

You know I love you, right? :)



I'm not bitter, I just don't value your opinion on the affairs of State between N'burg and N'stadt.
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Finning Widget
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08-16-2006 10:49
From: Kendra Bancroft
I'm not bitter, I just don't value your opinion on the affairs of State between N'burg and N'stadt.


I value his opinion! Perhaps not in the way he feels it should be valued, but it is certainly worth something.
Billybob Goodliffe
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08-16-2006 10:51
From: Finning Widget
I value his opinion! Perhaps not in the way he feels it should be valued, but it is certainly worth something.

toilet paper?
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Dianne Mechanique
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08-16-2006 10:59
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Whoever wants me is going to have to toss in moderation privileges. I will edit all of Kevn's posts, replacing "God" with the words "pink sock". Seriously though. I'll need to be a moderator.
Let's get real here, you couldn't stop if you tried. Even if no one made you moderator of anything, you would still hang around.

You've tried to throw off your forum addiction three times just since I have known you. ;)
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Kevn Klein
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08-16-2006 11:25
From: Kendra Bancroft
I'm not bitter, I just don't value your opinion on the affairs of State between N'burg and N'stadt.

It has only to do with the law, not the affairs between parties.
Finning Widget
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Join date: 27 Feb 2006
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08-16-2006 11:27
From: Kevn Klein
It has only to do with the law, not the affairs between parties.


I am unable to comprehend the mindset of someone who believes that where the law is engaged, open-mouth-insert-unschooled-foot equates to a valid formula for self-interest.
Finning Widget
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08-16-2006 11:34
From: Billybob Goodliffe
toilet paper?


I prefer to leave the value I have assigned to his opinion unspecified, lest I inadvertently affect the market.
Kevn Klein
God is Love!
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
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08-16-2006 11:55
From: Finning Widget
I am unable to comprehend the mindset of someone who believes that where the law is engaged, open-mouth-insert-unschooled-foot equates to a valid formula for self-interest.

The fact you are unable to comprehend has no bearing on anything. Unless you wish to prove me wrong by posting from the DMCA, your inability to comprehend is just that, an inability to comprehend.

BTW, why do you keep using Finning, are you ashamed? Stand tall, believe what you say.

:)
Finning Widget
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08-16-2006 12:05
From: Kevn Klein
The fact you are unable to comprehend has no bearing on anything. Unless you wish to prove me wrong by posting from the DMCA, your inability to comprehend is just that, an inability to comprehend.


I am also unable to comprehend what is so difficult to understand with the phrase "...content in the N'burg forum ..." that would confuse someone *COUGHCOUGHSOMEONECOUGH* into believing that a DMCA request had been made over a trademarkable piece of intellectual property instead of copyrightable pieces of intellectual property. But, //perhaps my expectations in this instance are too high// - in that I expect someone to both read entirely and comprehend.
Kevn Klein
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08-16-2006 12:07
From: Finning Widget
I am also unable to comprehend what is so difficult to understand with the phrase "...content in the N'burg forum ..." that would confuse someone *COUGHCOUGHSOMEONECOUGH* into believing that a DMCA request had been made over a trademarkable piece of intellectual property instead of copyrightable pieces of intellectual property. But, //perhaps my expectations in this instance are too high// - in that I expect someone to both read entirely and comprehend.

I read her filing. Did you? It had nothing to do with any forum.
Billybob Goodliffe
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08-16-2006 12:09
From: Kevn Klein
I read her filing. Did you? It had nothing to do with any forum.

correct me if I am wrong, but don't you think that Finning is ulrika and therefore made the actual filing?
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From: Corvus Drake
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Finning Widget
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08-16-2006 12:30
From: Kevn Klein
I read her filing. Did you? It had nothing to do with any forum.


If you read her filing and feel both moved and competent to offer an opinion on it, why is it that you are apparently confusing trademarkable intellectual property with copyrightable intellectual property? Why is it apparent to me that you are unable to distinguish between the two or recognise where they overlap? Why is it apparent to me that you fail to read the entirety of what some people write, and when you are forced to, fail to construct anything of substance in response? Why is it apparent to me that you do not understand whereof you speak with regards to the law?

I have read the version of her DMCA request that she made public in the Forums. I am also bemused by the discussions that followed in which many people protested that they knew for certain that names were solely trademarkable and not copyrightable intellectual property, unaware of the possibility that when used part and parcel of a copyrightable intellectual property, the name is considered to be copyrightable as well as trademarkable.

But, hey, that's just my bemusement. Thank you for letting me revisit the nostalgia.
Uma Bauhaus
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Join date: 18 Aug 2004
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08-16-2006 12:36
From: Kendra Bancroft
It accomplished one thing, Kevbo -- At least you can no longer claim to be a Neualtenburger. Frankly that always turned my stomach.
I agree. I can't tell you how fitting it is now that Neufreistadt == Kevn Klein. :D
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Kevn Klein
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08-16-2006 12:40
From: Finning Widget
If you read her filing and feel both moved and competent to offer an opinion on it, why is it that you are apparently confusing trademarkable intellectual property with copyrightable intellectual property? Why is it apparent to me that you are unable to distinguish between the two or recognise where they overlap? Why is it apparent to me that you fail to read the entirety of what some people write, and when you are forced to, fail to construct anything of substance in response? Why is it apparent to me that you do not understand whereof you speak with regards to the law?

I have read the version of her DMCA request that she made public in the Forums. I am also bemused by the discussions that followed in which many people protested that they knew for certain that names were solely trademarkable and not copyrightable intellectual property, unaware of the possibility that when used part and parcel of a copyrightable intellectual property, the name is considered to be copyrightable as well as trademarkable.

But, hey, that's just my bemusement. Thank you for letting me revisit the nostalgia.

Feel free to post from the DMCA to make your point, or I'll continue to file your opinions where they belong.
Uma Bauhaus
Renascene
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08-16-2006 12:44
From: Dianne Mechanique
You've tried to throw off your forum addiction three times just since I have known you. ;)
Arrrr! Neufreistadt's official texture pirate shows up to provide additional testimony of the quality of your project's members. I can't believe what a collection of unethical and bizarre people you have amassed.

In a project with Dianne (pirate), Kevn (evangelist troll), and Gwyn (self-aggrandizing UDHR violator)? No thanks! :D
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Uma Bauhaus
Renascene
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08-16-2006 12:45
From: Finning Widget
But, hey, that's just my bemusement. Thank you for letting me revisit the nostalgia.
Thanks for all the great posts. If you and Kendra could ever get a leash on me, we'd rule SL. :)
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-16-2006 12:45
From: Uma Bauhaus
Arrrr! Neufreistadt's official texture pirate shows up to provide additional testimony of the quality of your project's members. I can't believe what a collection of unethical and bizarre people you have amassed.

In a project with Dianne (pirate), Kevn (evangelist troll), and Gwyn (self-aggrandizing UDHR violator)? No thanks! :D

thats way too "three's company-esque"
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From: Corvus Drake
I asked God directly, and he says you're a douchebag.



Commander of the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army

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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
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08-16-2006 12:46
From: Uma Bauhaus
Arrrr! Neufreistadt's official texture pirate shows up to provide additional testimony of the quality of your project's members. I can't believe what a collection of unethical and bizarre people you have amassed.

In a project with Dianne (pirate), Kevn (evangelist troll), and Gwyn (self-aggrandizing UDHR violator)? No thanks! :D

But we are all actual people rather than characters. :)
Uma Bauhaus
Renascene
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08-16-2006 12:46
From: Kevn Klein
But we are all actual people rather than characters. :)
Exactly.
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