Who are the W-hats?

Well..perhaps you haven't been in SL long enough to fully appreciate the history of the W-Hat group. I think you can do a forum search to pull up old threads if you wish.

When members of W-Hat are repeatedly reported for griefing and when members of said group come to the forums to act like asses, it does give a bad impression to folks. I'm sure not every member of W-Hat is a griefer, but I'm also sure that many are, and that it isn't exactly frowned upon within the group, and that they do seem to attract more than their share of idiots that just want to cause trouble.

The W-Hat group membership does seem to appear on a good percentage of asshattery incidents that happen within SL. Certainly not all by a long shot, nor even most, but for one group, they have a mighty "coincedental" concentration of such.

What has not been mentioned about W-Hat recently is their old attacks on Luskwood because they hated furries.

Now it looks like they hate SL and put Half-Life faces all over the place. A sort of subtle commentary that they prefer Half-Life to SL?

Even if "Ol" had done the whole thing without any aid from the rest of W-Hat, he must have had support... perhaps someone to tell his plans to, before he did the deed; perhaps someone to encourage him to go ahead with it...

Just speculation, I know.

Honestly, I have trouble with that logic.

This bears about as much resemblence to manipulation as someone sticking a fork into an electrical socket to see if they can provoke the electricity into electrocuting them.


"If I poke you repeatedly with this stick, eventually I can manipulate you into hitting me! Then I win!"

"That sounds pretty stupid to me. But I'm sure you are right. That's exactly what I'll do."

*poke poke poke*

"WHAM!"

"Ow! Ou bwoke by dose!"

"Moron."

That wasn't directed at you. I read your posts.



That, now, is a moot point. How long ago was that? I don't even know, nor do I care. That's past history. In fact, when I joined W-Hat, there were all those happy little rules about not making the furries' lives difficult. Last I heard, there were a few furries in the group, even. My experience has been that members ARE EJECTED if they screw up too much. There have been some recent removals I've seen. Let the W-Hat internal powers that be deal with things as they do and let the Lindens deal with things their way. It's THEIR decision.

I also get a sinking feeling that there wasn't exactly 400 W-Hatters standing behind Ol shouting "GO 4 IT, DUDRZ!!! CRASH THE SERVERS, YEEAAAAHHH!! THAT'LL SHOW THOSE FURR13Z!!" If, in the end, this was discovered to be dilberate, there will certainly be some hating on him.

Once again, I'm not about to stand behind Ol if it is found he was griefing truly. If that's a fact, I'll even help you chuck him to the wolves in a righteous permabanning. Deliberately crashing servers has no place in any game.

However, this crap about insisting W-Hat be demolished, its members banned from every possible parcel of land, and all that jazz is all idiocy, pure and simple.

I can make you scratch your nose and you wouldn't even know you were being played

trust me or not. to trust me may teach you the mechanics of manipulation

not to makes you that much a better target

i know a little about psychology, hypnosis, propaganda, mind control, confidence games, scams, social engineering, and the like (much more than a passing interest, btw)

and an individuals success in maipulating you is enhanced by you saying "no one has that power over me"

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...and you seem to be overflowing?

Of course, the logical conclusion of your progression is that we should let users here deal with things their way.

As they are, you know, involved parties as well...

please do, go on at the very least we'll know who to ignore ...


Someone earlier tried comparing last nights incident to 9/11 and and the hate that ensued toward the Muslim population. It is nothing like that at all ! There's a huge world of difference between joining a group in SL and being born into or joining a faith with an ideaology people may or may not share. No-one not a single person would consider joining a group like W-Hat if they didn't already have the desire to cause or to be seen to be with people who'se raison d'être is disruption.

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there's also a huge difference between activist disruption and vandalism, the group in question here cannot claim activism as their goal, they are simply vandals.

( this is the 4th time that I as a complete outsider have been directly affected by the actions of some fool from this group, I'm tired of being silent and tolerant toward them )

And if my nose happened to itch at the time, I wouldn't particularly care, either. That's just a matter of perspective and semantic games.

I'm not saying nobody can manipulate me. Everyone manipulates everyone else every moment they interact. There's nothing all that special about it. Dressing a particular way can manipulate me one way, dressing another way manipulates me completely differently. And I do the same to you. Right now, my choice of language is influencing your responses to me ... and you probably DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE YOU WERE BEING PLAYED!!!11

I'm saying that it takes no particular skill, nor is it terribly impressive, to "manipulate" me into doing something that I'd have done *regardless* of whether you intended to get that response or not, given whatever behavior you are engaging in. It's especially pointless and moronic when the response hurts you, doesn't really hurt me, and when I have no particular reason to resist doing it.

Please phone when you have some sort of point

nothing with your punch in the nose "dialog," nor with this post has refuted a position, much less stated one. your lack of focus makes it seem you would just like to argue!!!!11111one uno

Countdown to parody mosque creation in W-hat territory in 5..4..3..

obviously there is a significant difference between "game" choices, skin color, and religion.

and i respect your view that they as a whole are effecting you, even though you admit that it was the actions of "some fool from this group," in a singular sense

but this is painting too broad a stroke for my comfort level. SA is pretty damn rowdy, so it would follow that there would be the same rowdy irreverence in it's members.

maybe it is the pack mentality circle jerk of trying to out-do the other members that causes this to get escalated, but when 1 guy at a concert has too much to drink and starts causing problems, they don't cancel the concert, they boot the troublemaker out and the show goes on

what the moron did today was surely vandalism, and I am in the group that think LL should press civil and/or criminal charges against the perpetrator.

but to do what, ban 400 people for the actions of 1? I just cannot support that. SL is supposed to promote diversity, and frankly, where IRL a large number here have been on the fringe and potentially been ostracized or outsiders to the "cool kids," now the shoe is on the other foot. the freaks and geeks are the "cool kids" here and it strikes me as odd how overwhelming the "ban them cuz they are different" mentality has proven

and as lordfly pointed out, there are WAY more of them than us, so if you pick a fight with W-Hat, W-Hat could invade SL and pretty much have their way with us

my hypothesis is this is all about reaction. reaction from SLers, reaction from W Hat, everything that I can trace this dood doing was for the reaction. As a fan of Andy Kaufman, Pro Rasslin', Tom Green, I can relate that the reaction is the best part of the joke. Pranksters are pranksters, I am not e member of W Hat, I am not a member of the SA forums, but I am a prankster. Should I be banned too?

I would submit merely depriving them of attention might work, but I could be wrong

you may view SL as work and make money and try to be professional, they may play a game. Even using the LL definition of "platform," this is just as much W Hats platform to do what they want as it is yours to program intricate particle effects and builds.

If they don't crash the grid or break the posted rules, there isn't much to say. If someone crashes the sim or breaks the rules, throw the damn book at them

what have i done?!?!

actually the tag on the group in the other post with photos from the "celebration" already hit the 9/11 theme.

who ordered all these damn shades of grey? now I am getting a feeling for what Larry Flynts lawyers must feel like...

some peoples should really re read theyr posts and delete em if needed... banning a group due to the actions of some?? are you a bit idiot? that kind of logic is ok for a 6 years old chaild (and maybe some presidents too) but hey stop thinking your SL life prevail on every other's
its not real life here
peoples come here to have fun usually
you arent in some kind of vacation club

opening a forum thread for a so stupid idea would deserve a perma ban from sl for bigottery, its a shame i ha&vent such power cause i would make some nice clearing in the account list

Mebbe we ought to look into ways of bringing down the SA/W-Hat servers.

Take your own advice. Reread your own post and delete or call yourself an idiot. Stop thinking your SL life prevails over others. People come here to have fun usually. You aren't in some kind of vacation club. Turn your own computer off.

Not wanting to be annoyed by people who amuse themselves by annoying others is not being a bigot. Freedom of speech? Come on now. This is like not being able to enjoy a movie because others won't shut up; going to a concert and having someone stand in front with no regard for your wanting to enjoy the show too. LL can offer isolation island as an alternative to the WA, but if it caters to the "rights" of this collection of individuals, it's not going to retain the type of members which are more likely to support its platform. They won't go away upset and hysterical, they'll just go away.

respectfully, who decides who gets to say what?


at a movie, you go get the usher and they are removed. at a concert, you go get security, and they are removed. LAst night the Lindens removed the offender



Welcome to Phillips Personal Anarchy

There are always good and bad points to anything, and disagreeing with somones use of group resources is certainly a bitch sometimes

this is a platform, your world, your imagination. these people want to play hooligans. if they don't break the rules, you can't take the role of executioner because they use the platform in a way you don't like.

they break the rules, boot them, easy

The owner of the establishments usually kicks the whole group out not just the one or two offending individuals. That's just how it is. This isn't a civil rights arena. Anarchy? Come on, already, get your emotions in check. Boot a bunch of bored people looking for virtual adventure? Big whoop.

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perhaps you disagree and should address that comment to the king

to answer to margaret goodthinking:

when it comes to griefers i consider Linden lab do the correct job to remove the peoples that might cause a problem to the system.

For example i am not asking names to make my little justice, this is plainly ridiculous. Think about it LL removed the source of the problem, what more do you need in your little ego to have the "outrage" (sl being down a few hours in a whole life) repared.

I think this "i want to know who is in this group to ban them from my land hahahaha!" is really out of place.

And what makes you think my sl life prevail on others? of course it does , do not hide yourself i am sure that you actually think your SL life pevail on others, and in a general way that your life prevail on others, or you would offer to one of the many peoples thats starve to death in the world to take your place and you theyr place.

please just by this post you already proved you consider your vision of things prevail on mine ^_^

why dont you try your own medicine and erase yourself from the user db? a second life suicide ?

Damn. Just like the war in Iraq.

W-hat? They're just these guys, you know?

Wow! I can't even name 400 people I know at ALL.