Feature: Ban group

Since we only have 50 slots, I'd like to see the ability to ban an entire group of people.

We can't ban groups? A group is just another user, or more properly, a user is just a group of one, to the database unless the oh ha yes well never mind.

I would like to see this feature too, why because there are alot of groups in sl that cause problems not just with me. But with everyone especially with all the griefer groups, that go around just trying to mess with peoples properity and land.

this idea would also allow for certain ethnic groups that are tormented/attacked/bothered by opposing ethnic groups to have their parcels free from that style of persecution. not saying as an item against certain religious beleifs but some things like... if a club owner absolutely dislikes furre's he can ban fur from his club etc.

among other uses.

i fully support this idea.

FYI: The request to be able to ban groups instead of just individuals is included in Prop 244


(see my sig)

This is probably one of the simplest and most affective anti-griefer recommendations I've seen on this forum. Why limit the ban list to 50 (although I've never even approached that figure)? How many milliseconds does it take these days to go through a text-based list anyway?).

I know a few griefer groups, assasin groups, *some* mafia groups (those who accept "hit contracts"-- these are just asking for multi-land bans. There are just some groups that have no place imposing their concepts on other areas of SL. Has nothing to do with personal bigotry or bias. It has to do with the fact that in RL-- I have a right to say who is allowed and not allowed in my home.

On thing that would be needed along with this: a notification to the user that states "BRANDX group is banned from these lands". That way newbies are notified WHY they can't enter a specific land and who's the cause.

Why would this be beneficial? If people were to join a particular group, only to find that they were banned from land after land for doing so... they'd likely quit the group, and the group would quickly lose its power. Right now groups have no accountability. Such a step would encourage groups to keep their noses clean.

The way I see it... if someone wants to be a virtual "demon from hell"... he can stay there.

Given that the ban height extends only to 40m high and that it only applies to agents (avatars) and there were some resonable guesses that last night's grid-wide attack could likely have been made from a single spawn-point, it is unlikely that "ban group from parcel" would have any effect at all. Indeed there are few non-heuristic methods that could have stopped the griefballs without seriously nerfing much of SL.

In case anyone cares, heuristic methods could be along the lines of what big routers do now as in "hmm, looks like an awful lot of spurious TCP SYN_ACKs coming in the door, maybe a distributed denial of service attack is happening, I'll start throwing them out and buzz the operator". In SL terms this might look like the asset server saying "hmmm. this object was just rezzed 1 billion times, maybe I should slow it down and buzz an operator". Unfortunately, these are usually pretty hard rules to encode.

The griefballs were a specific instance of what I call the "diagnostic problem" but according to google I may have made that term up. The general problem in computer system design is "how can I point to any fault at all when I don't even know if I'm functioning properly?". NASA has one way of getting around this issue (3-5 simultaneous computers feeding into a "majority rules" device) which of course is subject to failure in the "majority rules" device. Ants colonies have a different, distributed, algorithm for trashing "crazy" ants. In the end though, we've yet to solve that class of problems without sticking a person in the system.

Informing people who have been banned anything other than the fact that they can't enter is probably not a good idea. Bans should look and behave EXACTLY like an ordinary land barrier, mutes should look and behave exactly like the user simply ignoring you, etc.

Why?

Informing people that a ban is specific to them encourages escalation and retaliation (we all know these tools are not perfect). On top of that, griefers are already fond of using alts, changing groups (temporarily or permanently), and basically using any means necessary to get around your ability to defend against them. Especially when they know you have reacted to them personally.

That seems far more likely to occur than random clueless newbies joining a griefer group without knowing or quickly learning what it was.


Edit: Oh, btw, I do support the idea of Ban Group. It may not have helped last night, but it's still not a bad tool to have.

There are groups that we can't see the names or members of, right?

How do you ban them?

whydont you take these guys with a spoon of salt?
after all they spice your oh so dull Second Life

Kyrah that is sick of peoples abuse reporting someone because he crossed their eyesight


go play a single player game if you like banning so much

I'm equally tired of folks who point the blame at victims rather than perpetrators.

There's nothing "dull" about my Second Life... and I certainly don't need some griefer with a self-annointed task of making it more exciting.

As has been repeatedly stated by both users and LL themselves-- this is not a "game". There are people who actually work here and make their livings here. For others who are disabled or home-bound... this is more of a RL than their RL.

Second Life is a society. Every society has codes of conduct. If these people cannot meet these codes-- then let THEM go play single player games. Or-- let them go grief people on Unreal or Quake or one of the battle-oriented online games and see how long they last. If they grief me or my friends or my lands, not only will they be permabanned from our lands, they will be reported. And if they want to cry/whine about that (as they often do) that just goes with the territory of immaturity.

It does not make sense for people who like banning others to play a single user game. They would have no one to ban in a single user game.

I agree with Way here. We come to SL to escape the pressures, the stress, the dull drum that RL can bring. We come to SL to be with our family and loved ones and to enjoy ourselves. I am sick of people just waltzing into my home, doing as they please. I hate when I look out the window to see someone just hovering there spying on me. They would never do that RL for fear of the law. Why allow such rude behavior in SL? Being a 'minority' opens alot of bashing for me RL. I don't need it here!! This should be a safe environment for everyone.