What's wrong with weapons?

That, and a good deal of avatars have weaps as part of their outfit. Samurai, military, whatever. I'm not gonna kick someone out of an area just because they happen to be packing heat. But if i see them using said heat..

Ohhh.. now thats a paddlin'

Innocent until proven guilty, imho. Having a good shield helps too.

I have no problem with gun carrying citizens at all. If I find them on my land I freeze and ban them, no questions asked, thus no problem.

Limited range and inadequate firepower are problems displayed by some weapons.

Ok people everybody is right in there OWN opinion! Here comes the but. But if you instantly freeze and ban somebosy for carrying a weapon do you realize you are now bordering violating the TOS! Yes thats right because you own the property doesnt mean you can freeze a person walkin around with a set of guns on and ban them!

Now if that same person was walking around with a weapon on and attacking people you have the right to ban them and even contact the sim owner and have them banned from the sim!

As for the statement SL isnt RL, true but it is based on a real world of some sorts whether it be yours or mine! I agree if I was out shopping and somebody shot me I would DAMN sure be pissed! There again I have been and thats why I own and wear my meapons everywhere!
In real life I dont carry a gun, just a cell phone, because I know if i call 911 and tell the dispatcher hey there is a guy here shooting weapons the police will be there to take care of the situation. Now in this world if you have ever filed a AR you know most times it takes weeks to get anything done, so I live by the make my day law!

Im not saying everybody run over to the nearest weapons depot and buy a shield and weapons. Just ask questions before you assume anything! Because as the old saying goes once you assume something you make a "ass" outt "u" and "me"!

Err... yes you do. It might not be polite to do so, but... as the land owner, you have just that right.

Hell, as a landowner, you have the right to freeze/ban/eject/tp home someone for any reason that crosses your mind... since it's your land.

Also, some are just plain ugly, and not in a good way.

I script.

I totally hate being disturbed by push scripts, weapon users, looped screams, and people who put boxes around you while you're working.

What's wrong with weapons? The people who use them in NO SHOOTING areas.

True that the bullets aren't fatal but you try concentrating on scripting physical objects when you're being shot at, pushed around, and/or boxed in. Fun for the shooter ... absolute irritation and annoyance for the scripter.

I don't call it fun unless BOTH sides are having fun.

Sure I can. I paid for my land and I'm paying $US76 a month in tier, which means that I can TP home and ban anyone at all that I feel like, for any or no reason, with no warning what-so-ever. It's in the TOS.

However, the only people I'm likely to do that to without them having done something else rude first [1] are people in military gear, (Or looking like a noob.) carying a gun. And you know what the reasson for that is? It's because of the number of times that someone who's come onto my land carrying a gun has wound up shooting me or a friend of mine.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

Don't want to be suddenly tped home? Grow the hell up and put away the gun and only take it out when you're on unsafe land and you actually are going to be using it with other people who've agreed to be shot.

[1] Other rude things have included opening the door and barging in [2] when I'm with my partner, hovering outside the house, stopping next to my house and starting to build a freaking platform over my land, starting to build on my land, etc.

[2] Much less likely to happen now that I have a house with no doors.

So, no Shotgun or mafia weddings in your sim? *grins*

But as for the guns, as soon as I see one pulled out, I sit the heck down. I've been thrown from Lusk platform too many times by jerks with guns. Luckily, sitting down seems to counteract their weapons.

Jack Harker]Sure I can. I paid for my land and I'm paying $US76 a month in tier, which means that I can TP home and ban anyone at all that I feel like, for any or no reason, with no warning what-so-ever. It's in the TOS.

So once again i say this. By tping somebody home and banning them for no reason is bordering violating the TOS. I read it and to my understanding you have to have good cause to tp and ban somebody! As for you being shot and banning anybody that is carrying weapons/guns, yes its your choice to do so but question is have you ever thought of sayin hey so and so do you mind removing the weapons? Then if they refuse you say have a nice day and ban them. If im apporached and asked in a polite way I have no problem doing it its just the annoying security people that give you 30 seconds to get your inventory open and remove them, that pisses me off!

Your understanding isn't very good. I assure you you are quite wrong. I can do it at whim, for any reason or no reason, and there isn't a thing that can be done to me about it.

Afraid you don't...
Something in the ToS says that owners can allow OR ban anyone they like from their land... and it says SFA about a reason.

If you own the land, and you want someone banned for whatever reason you can think of, it's allowed...
3 seconds is long enough... right-click on the weapon and Detach...

Claiming the whole inventory thing is a cop-out and an excuse to have your weapon in hand for longer...


:edit: Forgot to mention... there's enough people out there who will respond to a polite request to put the weapons away by shooting at the person asking...

Once bitten, twice shy...

3 seconds is long enough... right-click on the weapon and Detach...

Claiming the whole inventory thing is a cop-out and an excuse to have your weapon in hand for longer...


Cop-out no! My guns that people freak out over are a two part system the actual gun that is worn on your hand and the holster that is worn under my armpits. Yes right clickin on the item and detaching it takes three second, but when you have a AO on and your arms are crossed and such its hard to get the holsters off and thats what they freak over! Most of the time I can remove the holsters and they go on about there business till somebosy the uses control alt + T comes along and tells them hey his guns are in his hand still! Then i remove those once asked. Three seconds isnt a realistic time frame, I mean really, most of the time Im allready in the process of removing them when somebody IM's me and ask. But in highly traveled areas with lag threes second doesnt always work!

As for the people responding by shooting well my guns are top of the line but if you have a movelock on I can knock you across the sim but you will come right back MOST of the time, that is if it is a quality movelock! I never and i mean never turn my movelock off, even when tpin it stays on. I have another movelock system that when it gets rough i click on that will drag me across 4 or 5 sim borders on the mainland and if I tp to a island it just impells me to the ground! So my advise id find a quality movelock system, if you need help finding one look me up in world I can be very helpful.

Cop out yes... I've used that kind of weapon system and I could remove it in total within 5 seconds, 10 in really laggy areas...

Here's a tip... right-click yourself, select the detach option and detach the holsters that way. No inventory searching needed! (and don't try the "but I didn't know" line... 6 months old and you've never spotted the detach option on the pie menu? Don't make me laugh)
So if I had a quaility movelock, that'd make it ok for you to shoot me??

Why should I have to get more sodding attachments just so you can get your rocks off shooting at people? It's pathetic...

Then you missunderstood. As a land owner, I can chose to ban anyone at all whenever I like.



Yeah right. I go to them and tell spme militia looking idiot, "Please take off your guns while you're here." Result, I find myself flying through the air, two sims away when the little bastard shoots me.

Nope. If I see someone on my grounds with a gun I don't even go *near* them. If I have time I might look at their profile, but if I see that they're a member of any mafia or combat groups or the like, it's tp and ban. Chances are, they might not even *see* me before the get tp'ed, Why should I let them get the first shot in?

As for, wearing the right move locks and shields and all that crap...can't you get it through your head that I *don't* *want* to do *any* kind of shoot 'em up in SL? *None*, at all.

That's why I favor letting people toggle off susceptability to "push". So some jerk with a gun can't affect me at *all*.

Until they do that though, the easiest way to avoid children who want to play shoot-'em-up in a place that's not intended for it, is to spot the children who get off on carrying around guns at all times, and letting them know that they're unwelcome around civilized folk.

Seriously, *I* don't get it. Want to visit my park without problems, or places where like minded friends of mine live? It's easy. Don't wear a gun where I can see it. That's it. If I don't see a gun, I may assume that you're not likely to shoot anyone in site for no reason and I'll treat you like you're potentially a grown-up human being.

we need a parcel paramater 'push = <0,0,0>' and the entire issue would be moot, if its YOUR land, and you have *NO* valid reason for having pushes work, on your land, you really should have the ability to turn them off.

just completely null all llPushObject force vectors, on plots that have that option set (and don't even set it by default, make it be a conscious choice for the owner), and the entire push gun problem would vanish.

Hey! That's Xcite!'s entire market...folks that need a badly-textured, annoying shouting penis.

Seriously, there is little need for a gun in most sims, even as decor. It's usually just an ego booter for a bad-tempered dink looking for an excuse to shoot someone. Wonder if the OP ever considered an unscripted gun for his outfits...or one that is particle effect only and no push/damage?

If the area you are in is no gun, and you are wearing them, you are breaking their rules and deserve to be either punted or followed by security. Unless YOU own the sim or the parcel, the PAYING OWNER makes the rules, like it or lump it. You have NO rights off land you are paying tier on.

I'm franky tired of being in a sim, minding my own business, then either orbited or blown into the next sim (or 3 or 4) by some developmentally challenged gun-toter, usually from one of the 'armies' ingame. I like sims with no-gun policies and admins/security that treat gun-toters as the potential threats they are.

Yes, it is insane that we get a popup box 'this is about to animate your avatar. Yes/no' for a hug, but someone can apply orbiting force to you with NO confirmation. LL should make it so ANY push script requires you agree to it. For the quake brigade, they should have a setting in configuration 'Always allow push on me'. That way, those inerested in being targets can shoot eachother constantly, the rest of us do not have to be griefed...we could either say no to the individual push (or have a checkbox making us push-immune).

A mouthful of potato chips just shot across the office here. It was definately the 'shouts at people' part.

Zardoz: "The gun is good."

Savages: "The gun is good!"

Zardoz: "The penis... is evil! The penis shoots seed!"

I see the points of everybody! After all the grief i get i just decided to attach the guns when I am somewhere I feel its necessary to have them! As for the co-out excuse you are so wrong, its not a cop-out, I attempted to detach something lastnight after this wonderful update in a extremly laggy sim and took forever for my friend to notice it not on!! So yes it is fast for me to detatch it off the pie menu, but what about the other end when your getting yelled at to take it off and yout like ummm been detached for a few second/minutes now!

If you own land/sim and you dont want weapons on the propety for whatever reason, then make it real clear when people arrive! Everytime I goto a certain sim i get a notecard that says no weapons allowed! Yea i have notecard spamers but it also reminds me to make sure i dont have any visible weapons attached.

It is your choice to have or not to have a movelock system, I wasnt saying go out and buy one right now but give it more thought than "Im not here to play bang bang shootem up games so I dont need it"! There has been many times I was glad to have my movelock on!
As for shields unless your going to a combat sim you dont need it, so dont buy it!

Honestly you guys freak out on the visible weapons! When i can just as easliy kick you across the sim, and it appears that the noobs and griefer are realizing they can too!

So push for this and that! And the people that make the stuff will find a way to beat it! I mean really have you ever been caged against your will and tried to get out and couldnt!
To me i would rather get knocked across two sims and be able to fly back then get caged and have this annoying thing eithr following me or holding me in place!

So to all you I say this" THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WEAPONS!! ITS THE PERSON USING IT THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH!"

Yes, I was caged once...but rather than get into a 'my gun shoots through your cage' dickwaving fest like a jr. high through college putz, I behaved as a functional adult would and did what you are supposed to do. I AR'd the incident, then went onto live chat and asked for a linden's help. Cage disappeared, putz with gun disappeared...note on the police blotter page later that week that an unnamed dink was banned on that day in that sim for weapons.

Me = free. dink = 7 day ban....See? Being adult about it is real easy, you just follow the rules and things get done. It many not be childishly instant gratification like shooting back, but I imagine a 7 day vaction rammed home the point that he was doing wrong more than me shooting back ever could. At least, it gave the rest of us 7 days safe from the dink.

And yes, there is indeed nothing wrong with weapons as an inanimate object on display in your own house. Unfurtunately they get their rep tarred when put on and carried around by the 99.99999% of gun toters that are antisocial and developmentally stunted. Now if LL outright banned players in the many 'armies' (like the mercateers, which is the group of dinks I usually get shot at by for no reason, generally in sandboxes or malls), then they could improve the rep of guns in SL. But since they won't proactively ban the mass groupings of dinks in the armies, guns will continue to be the visible badge of an ingame twit most of the time for most of the players.

speak for yourself. My avatars penis is huge

(i love the edit menu),
Neurosis

I was at a pool party dancing around in the water and i swear I think me and my bud are the only ones who actually saw the thing. A freakin cruise missile lands right on us. We are all blown many sims away... Me and my bud are the only ones who know what happened others were probably too laggy to even see it happen only woke up in the ocean lol.

Im wondering how it is that none of us were notified that we had been hit by a script and allowed a chance to report? Not that we would have... it was hilarious.

Neurosis

Nature gave us the most deadly weapons of all: our powerful minds. With our minds we create... We create weapons of war, and we create tools of peace.

In the naked wild, a tiger has the advantage with razor-sharp tooth and claw, against which most creatures stand little chance. But give us our tools, and we humans will devise a way to come out on top of any struggle.

-Ghoti