What's wrong with weapons?

Actually, claws and teeth spring to mind, as well as pure strength.

Additionally, Nature didn't make SL.

Or air conditioning. Or the smallpox vaccine.

Sometimes the unnatural ain't all that bad.

As a gunsmith (amongst other professions) making respectable, balanced, detailed firearms I would certainly have to take great issue with anyone using the term "retard" in connection with either myself or my customers.

Weapons are okay if used only against people who agreed to be part of the game. For the looks you could just as well have an object without any weapon scripts in it, yet looking the same

I don't care if someone carries a weapon. I do care if they shoot people who didn't agree to being a target. I see it happen quite regularly on the welcome areas, what a great experience for a newcomer being pushed by a projectile and landing in a void space, millions of meters above the ground.

Clubs with a "no guns" rule of course can not check, if you still have an invisible gun with you or if your belt contains a malicious script. But they can refer to their rules should you actually *use* it. This is the important part.

To each their own... works in both ways. Weapons enthusiasts should be free to wear and use weapons, but at the same time everybody else should not be affected by them, unless they desire to be.

Have fun on the hunt!

I just got hit tonight in a mall, in a sim that wasn't a combat sim. 3 dorks were testing out their weapons and one just decided to try it on me though I hadn't even said anything to them -- I wasn't even that close to them. I certainly wasn't asked if it was okay.

Now I know the mall owners probably have nothing to do with those idjits and would probably be upset if they knew they had folks like that driving off their customers -- their paying tenants undoubtedly would be. But with all the shopping venues out there, I certainly won't be going back to that one where I know folks hang out who like to test their weapons on strangers, without consent.

Maybe that's something LL could implement... a consent code that nullifies weapon use against those who haven't consented to be attacked?

Effectively this boils down to: /13/64/91368/1.html

I'd love to see an option for an llDialog() appearing for each person / object owner trying to push me (not bump), being able to accept or reject pushes from this person with one mouse click (ask once, then never again, cleanup option). This will result in a lot of questions at first, but probably this will fade quickly. Once all your favourite pushers are in your list, you can turn off the warning again, blocking all other pushers.

No, if they're doing anything wrong you AR them. End of story.

This is precisely why so many people don't like people who carry weapons. You're trying to justify yourself and sound terribly reasonable but the fact is you have no right to do what you've just suggested and such self righteous flouting of the rules is what leads to many of the problems people are not prepared to tolerate from your ilk.

at celestia, we don't allow guns to be held/carried as if they could be used. even if they're just models and don't have scripts in them. ornamental/hostered guns or swords on back are okay.

does that mean i'm against guns? not at all; i use them myself. but for the club rules there are some good reasons:

* it doesn't exactly make people feel at ease when you're swinging a gun around in their general direction, even if you have no intent to use it or it doesn't work.
* carrying a gun sends the message that it's okay for others to carry them, leading to eventually using them. we've had gun battles break out at the club so we know it happens.

Ooo. Thanks for that link!



That'd be great!



OT, when I read this line the song Dopeman immediately popped into my head. LOL! *ahem* Back to the thread.

A permissions list would be way cool. That way you could still play wargames with folks if you wished without having to let every git with a weapon see you as fair game. That way you wouldn't have incidents of rabid gunbunnies setting themselves un-attackable before going to blast everyone else who is with their weapons.

They tend to go off.

Not when pickled properly.

What complete and utter nonsense! Nature made weapons by the body-full. It just happens that mankind is rather under-equiped in that regard - no threatening claws, no fangs, no venom, no stinging tail, no nothing. So we have to use our brain to come up with some substitutes.

Oh, but nature didn't provide those you say?

Better stop living in your house, too. Nature didn't provide that. Stop wearing your clothes, nature didn't provide them. Better not ever drive drivea car, ride a bike, ride a train, plane, ship, anything of that sort. Nature didn't provide any of that. Or medicine. Or most of the food we eat.

LTJ baby! Good one...

Sorry, no thread hijack intended...but a Less Than Jake reference cannot be ignored.

-S

CJ AR somebody a hundred times a day and it takes LL about thirty days to finally do something about it!! But i I see you edited my comment ot suit your needs what i was sayin was in weapons testing is where i blast the ppl ,wsp wanna be griefers, so get the quotes straight and dont mis quote ppl it just pisses them off!!!!

And if you had any knowledge of the world before us you would realize that without the advent of the first weapons humankind would still at best be a monkey right now, if we even existed at all. There were many alpha predators in early civilization that could easilly have wiped us out had we not had the forsite to attach that piece of stone to that stick.

Please confine arrogant snobbery to items that actually in some way shape or form make sense.

So do people. Your point?

If I walk into a restaurant holding a cobat rifle in RL, even if I have no intention of using it (something I do only when out on probation) I expect people to become a tad concerned.

SL isn't much different.

If you were to use that rifle in a resturant RL, people would be scared, and probably bleeding. Maybe dying.

If you do it in SL, maybe one, maybe a few people will be quite a ways away from where they were standing. They'll be annoyed. Than maybe you'll get orbited.

So it is MUCH different. SL is a fake world, you can't die, and there is no need to ever be afraid.

Personally I believe if ya not shotting at peple against thier will, then if ya wanna wear weapons its your right to do as wish with your own avie... hmmmm its thier club so they have right to make whats rules they want in it...

You are correct. Losing an hour or so of work due to an unexpected client crash because of someone's "fun" push gun is far different than RL death, but it can be mighty annoying.

I was going to say something but I'm still laughing at Yiffy's pic.

Stange coincidence, everytime I have been shot in SL it has been by someone holding a gun. I wonder why seeing someone holding a gun in SL makes me angry?

Because, I didn't come to SL to play with guns *at all*. So I'm out shopping, or exploring in a safe area or hanging out with friends, and some little twerp comes along and shoots me. Maybe it leaves me a long way away with no warning, maybe it crashes me so that I have to relog and even reboot. It's a pain in the ass, and something that I never wanted to be part of in the first place.

If I'd wanted to play a shooting game, I'd be playing a shooting game. I don't, which is why I'm here. Haven't you ever heard of minding your own business and letting other people mind theirs?

As to why people don't like people who carry weapons around, strangely enough, everytime I've been shot when I've just been minding my own business, it's been by some twerp in a military outfit carrying a gun. I suspect that that's been the experience of a lot of people. Which is why when people see some twerp carrying a gun, they tend to assume the worst, and tell them to get the hell out.

At this point, if I saw someone on my land (I own 1/4 of a sim.) carrying a gun, I wouldn't even bother to try to talk to them, I'd just TP them home and ban them.

Let me ask you something? Have you *ever* shot someone on safe land who you didn't know? Ever? What about your friends? Because if you've answered yes to either of these then you and your friends have no right at all to complain when people don't want you around when you're carrying guns. Bed, made, lay.

My personal opinion:

Nothing is wrong with wearing weapons. Everything is wrong using them in a non-weapon zone.

For example, in sandboxes, people grief all the time. Therefore, a lot of people are scared if someone is walking along in a sandbox wearing a weapon. SL's culture has been impacted by griefers.

Think of the "The Boy who Cried Wolf" story. It's kinda like that.