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Thrash Misfit
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08-03-2006 14:16
I have spoken to a 17 year old (female) escort on SL. I find underage virtual prostitution rather upsetting, but it happens as long as minors are able to get on the main grid.
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Alex Fitzsimmons
Resu Deretsiger
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08-03-2006 14:34
thats only if you want your 250L$. If you want to remain anonymous you dont have to give any kind of ID, and you dont even need a real email address. Try it! Make yourself an alt! Hell, make 50! Make 100! it takes like a minute each and you're in! This is true. In fact, I'm thinking of making a male alt just so I can finally participate in Gorean swordfighting tournaments (there's a lot of money in them!). I believe I shall give him my own shape (just clicked over to "male" ![]() ![]() _____________________
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Allana Dion
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08-03-2006 14:39
This is true. In fact, I'm thinking of making a male alt just so I can finally participate in Gorean swordfighting tournaments (there's a lot of money in them!). I believe I shall give him my own shape (just clicked over to "male" ![]() ![]() I did that when I was making some male clothes.... quite freaky lookin. ![]() _____________________
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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08-03-2006 15:04
I did that when I was making some male clothes.... quite freaky lookin. ![]() I may also RP being a flaming gay man. I mean, I'd still fit their criteria technically (human avie, male for the tournaments), but I bet they'd really, really be uncomfortable. ![]() _____________________
"Whatever the astronomers finally decide, I think Xena should be considered the enemy planet." - io Kukalcan
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
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08-03-2006 15:07
I may also RP being a flaming gay man. I mean, I'd still fit their criteria technically (human avie, male for the tournaments), but I bet they'd really, really be uncomfortable. ![]() Perfecto. _____________________
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Allana Dion
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08-03-2006 15:27
I may also RP being a flaming gay man. I mean, I'd still fit their criteria technically (human avie, male for the tournaments), but I bet they'd really, really be uncomfortable. ![]() Bet you 100L they either kick you out or try to collar you. ![]() _____________________
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Ash Qin
A fox!
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08-03-2006 16:00
While I firmly believe that parents need to take an active role in protecting their children from online dangers, parents can't be with their kids 100% of the time, and service providers need to start stepping up to the plate with at least a shred of social responsibility and take steps to prevent access to mature content by children. There is no decent reason for a service provider to give children easy access to mature content, and there is no decent reason for people to get upset about an extra step or two in age verification as part of the process. It's not like LL couldn't identify said people, even with a free account. Nothing online is 100% private. But, I am speaking from the perspective of a parent who takes an active role in protecting my child, but understands I can't be there 100% of the time. For companies like SL: There is no system I can think of, short of making it harder for legitimate customers, so much harder that it wouldn't be possible for some to verify (and making them feel violated, so they may not signup). While also driving up the costs too much. As for ISPs, how do you expect ISPs to implement it? Give us a technical method. _____________________
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Yiffy Yaffle
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08-03-2006 17:28
Probably the next thread like this will be "I cybered with someone, and didn't know till afterwords when they said they were 14!!" >.>
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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08-03-2006 20:51
Bet you 100L they either kick you out or try to collar you. ![]() LOL ... probably. ![]() _____________________
"Whatever the astronomers finally decide, I think Xena should be considered the enemy planet." - io Kukalcan
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Tren Neva
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Join date: 16 Oct 2004
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08-03-2006 21:00
I have spoken to a 17 year old (female) escort on SL. I find underage virtual prostitution rather upsetting, but it happens as long as minors are able to get on the main grid. Or as long as shitty parents raise shitty kids. _____________________
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Vares Solvang
It's all Relative
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
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08-04-2006 18:03
At the going rate of $1,000L, we're talking about roughly a $2.85 transaction. The FBI ought to be all over that ![]() So as long as it's a cheap whore your doing it with it's ok? _____________________
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cinda Hoodoo
my 2cents worth
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
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it really surprises me...
08-04-2006 23:01
That LL blatently does not require age verification for the main grid now..if an underage escort earns a nickle or $5K US for her services, they are pimping underage prostitutes. Plain and simple. Theres no excuse they can take to court to protect themselves from major legal issues, wether from a lawsuit or criminal charges...
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Memnoch Matzerath
96% Caffiene By Volume
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08-04-2006 23:58
The easiest method to implement would be something along the lines of what ebay used to allow certified sellers there. You filled out a form with the company with your state license/ID number and paid a small fee, then the company researched you and verification was granted on that. The same could be used here and LL could add yet another rediculous something to our profiles to show for it.
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Roseann Flora
/wrist
Join date: 7 Feb 2004
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08-05-2006 01:14
really, what we need, is for full rl disclosure inworld. Like, you'd answer a questionnaire when you join, then it'd get summarised down to the basics. Like on your profile and floating above your head you might have: Starr Escort Services Sexii Lolita (56y/o 300lb Male Trucker from Wyoming, Straight but not fussy online) That'd solve the problem. LMAO! |
Roseann Flora
/wrist
Join date: 7 Feb 2004
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08-05-2006 01:26
IDs can be forged very easily. Mailing in copies of IDs won't help. I'm speaking from outside US and UK. I'm getting some ideas though that can be investigated as possibilities. What I have is still easily defeatable IMO but it might curb the problem a little bit. Will post when I have something a bit coherent. Good to know and yes please give an update on the possibilities. |
Monique Mistral
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Join date: 14 Oct 2005
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08-05-2006 02:29
I would have loved this game when I was 16! Exactly. I don't get what the moral panickers are about. Maybe they don't remember being 16? _____________________
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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-05-2006 02:38
Some years back Chinese girls get married as early as 12. In Europe in the middle ages, marriages at 15 were the norm. Nature has declared that men can have sex starting at 13, and women at 12.
It's really an uphill climb to enforce legal ages (be it 18 or 16). The tendency towards rebellion is just too high. 18 or 16 may be a safer age to allow sex, and if you ask me, I'd rather the kids wait. But no matter how you look at it, it's an artificial threshold set by culture with nature and adolescent rebellion going against it. _____________________
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Lupus Delacroix
Wyrm Raider
Join date: 3 May 2006
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08-05-2006 06:22
So... no cyber, just sex balls? Wow, that would suck ![]() Skype. |
Cindy Claveau
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08-05-2006 06:43
Some years back Chinese girls get married as early as 12. In Europe in the middle ages, marriages at 15 were the norm. Nature has declared that men can have sex starting at 13, and women at 12. It's really an uphill climb to enforce legal ages (be it 18 or 16). The tendency towards rebellion is just too high. 18 or 16 may be a safer age to allow sex, and if you ask me, I'd rather the kids wait. But no matter how you look at it, it's an artificial threshold set by culture with nature and adolescent rebellion going against it. All true, Aodhan, but it cannot be stressed enough that Linden Lab exists in a country right now that is on a moral crusade to clean up porn, sexual predators and gays trying to marry. So we have politicians who know that their best chances of getting and staying in power is to appeal to people's fear that a 17 1/2 year old girl somewhere might actually do the nasty. The result is enthusiastic law enforcement that will sieze on anyone they believe might be contributing to this "moral decline". If LL were to go to court in any conservative district of this country, they'd be faced with serious legal problems if they haven't covered their own asses. I'm not sure residents of other countries quite understand the moral climate in America right now. It's verging on paranoia. _____________________
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Monique Mistral
Pink Plastic Flamingo
Join date: 14 Oct 2005
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08-05-2006 12:04
All true, Aodhan, but it cannot be stressed enough that Linden Lab exists in a country right now that is on a moral crusade to clean up porn, sexual predators and gays trying to marry. So we have politicians who know that their best chances of getting and staying in power is to appeal to people's fear that a 17 1/2 year old girl somewhere might actually do the nasty. The result is enthusiastic law enforcement that will sieze on anyone they believe might be contributing to this "moral decline". If LL were to go to court in any conservative district of this country, they'd be faced with serious legal problems if they haven't covered their own asses. I'm not sure residents of other countries quite understand the moral climate in America right now. It's verging on paranoia. Well Cindy, I'm not from America so I can't comment on the going ons over there. Just one thing. How could they consider underage prostitution was happening in SL? No one actually has sex here, or is masturbation a crime too? It's all a game, a fantasy, including in case of the hookers. _____________________
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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-05-2006 15:20
I'm not sure residents of other countries quite understand the moral climate in America right now. It's verging on paranoia. Believe me we do. Me and my friends regard the US as the country that sued all the flavor out of their fastfoods because they can't control their eating. I'll never forget that one about a woman who sued McD (not McDunnough!) because she got hot coffee all over herself when it spilled in her car. Same goes for that lawsuit thrown out by a judge ... the one where the plaintiffs were suing for damages and a warning that "eating too much will make you fat." Over here we have lots and lots of fatty foods but we don't have a serious obesity problem. The average diet here is high in carbo, moderate to low in fat. It's really crazy what kind of legislature happens over there ... and over here we have crazy legislature too (but over a totally different set of topics). They all do it for the same reason ... a seat in government. _____________________
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Cocoanut Cookie
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08-05-2006 15:24
Well Cindy, I'm not from America so I can't comment on the going ons over there. Just one thing. How could they consider underage prostitution was happening in SL? No one actually has sex here, or is masturbation a crime too? It's all a game, a fantasy, including in case of the hookers. Haven't read all this, but the fact that it isn't being done physically is totally beside the point. As for rules about fast food, I don't know of anyone who likes that sort of legislation, and not everyone is busy being stupid and/or obese. Angry face smiley. P.S. AND - not everyone who is obese is that way because they overeat. I wish people would realize that metabolisms and physiologies differ, and I wish they would have to walk a while in some of these people's shoes. I really do. Another angry face smiley. cocoonvacation _____________________
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Dmitri Polonsky
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Join date: 26 Aug 2005
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08-05-2006 15:28
Well Cindy, I'm not from America so I can't comment on the going ons over there. Just one thing. How could they consider underage prostitution was happening in SL? No one actually has sex here, or is masturbation a crime too? It's all a game, a fantasy, including in case of the hookers. Even though it is only verbal in chat, the participants are actively and directly engaging in the act through intent, and with a minor that is illegal. This is NOT Europe, or China or some third world country, but the USA and we do care about our children for the most part, and how life treats them. |
Monique Mistral
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Join date: 14 Oct 2005
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08-05-2006 18:40
Even though it is only verbal in chat, the participants are actively and directly engaging in the act through intent, and with a minor that is illegal. This is NOT Europe, or China or some third world country, but the USA and we do care about our children for the most part, and how life treats them. And you suggest we don't? Silly man. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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08-05-2006 18:56
Well Cindy, I'm not from America so I can't comment on the going ons over there. Just one thing. How could they consider underage prostitution was happening in SL? No one actually has sex here, or is masturbation a crime too? It's all a game, a fantasy, including in case of the hookers. if theres people on this forum who think its prostitution you can pretty much count on the fact that those on political right in the US will feel even more strongly. Actually many moderates and Liberals will also. It doesnt have to make logical sense - thats why they are politicians. As for cyber sex with minors -- any adult who is having sex with unverified acount holders who isnt making a definite reasonable surity that the person is over 18 - is rather irresposnible. SL Escort or not. Its not any different then any other internet sex chat room that have been around for over a decade, really. I always prefer people closer to my own age. More to talk about. Generally a good long talk about the 80's sets my mind at ease they are old enough (and I wont bore them for being too out of touch with the times lol). Not that ive met anyone since the unverfieds came into existance.. bla such is life |