Under 18 yr Kids being Escorts and Strippers for Lindens
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Ewan Took
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08-03-2006 10:00
Let's hope parents take advice from this and educate their children about being online.
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Ewan Took
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08-03-2006 10:06
This bit from the web site seems relevent....
Should any of the following situations arise in your household, via the Internet or on-line service, you should immediately contact your local or state law enforcement agency, the FBI, and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children:
1. Your child or anyone in the household has received child pornography; 2. Your child has been sexually solicited by someone who knows that your child is under 18 years of age ; 3. Your child has received sexually explicit images from someone that knows your child is under the age of 18.
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Burnman Bedlam
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08-03-2006 10:10
From: Ewan Took This bit from the web site seems relevent.... Should any of the following situations arise in your household, via the Internet or on-line service, you should immediately contact your local or state law enforcement agency, the FBI, and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children: 1. Your child or anyone in the household has received child pornography; 2. Your child has been sexually solicited by someone who knows that your child is under 18 years of age ; 3. Your child has received sexually explicit images from someone that knows your child is under the age of 18. Don't forget the bits where they recommend contacting the police or FBI if your child has contact with someone else online involving sexuality. Like I said earlier... I will be contacting the FBI for further information regarding this topic when I am not at work.
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Andrea Faulkner
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Teen Grid Invading the Adult Grid
08-03-2006 10:16
From: Ewan Took This bit from the web site seems relevent....
Should any of the following situations arise in your household, via the Internet or on-line service, you should immediately contact your local or state law enforcement agency, the FBI, and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children:
1. Your child or anyone in the household has received child pornography; 2. Your child has been sexually solicited by someone who knows that your child is under 18 years of age ; 3. Your child has received sexually explicit images from someone that knows your child is under the age of 18. Ignorance of the law is not an acceptable defense. Period. This process of requiring NO verification of age started at the beginning of Summer Holiday when every child in the northern hemisphere at least was now OUT OF SCHOOL. This isn't just about 16 year old girls escorting, it's also about 12 year old boys being exposed to cartoon sex. In a hilarious ridiculous move on the part of Linden Labs, they REINSTATED age verification with credit cards for the TEEN GRID to keep pedophiles out, but they DIDN'T stop the KIDS from getting to the ADULT grid, which is ALOT more likely. The Credit Card verification MUST be reinstated before the entire teen grid is emptied becasue all the little hormonal teens are moving to the ADULT grid with free unverified accounts to play at ADULT things they shouldn't be exposed to yet. And yes, LL will be catching major heat for this if they aren't already. It's only a matter of time.
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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-03-2006 10:16
On topic: Worth the read It's a good suggestion with a most interesting answer. /139/19/126754/1.html
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08-03-2006 10:45
From: Burnman Bedlam I wonder if Congress knows about SL.  well if anyone works for the federal government and access's the forums.. im sure they do 
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Ewan Took
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08-03-2006 10:46
From: Andrea Faulkner Ignorance of the law is not an acceptable defense. Period. This process of requiring NO verification of age started at the beginning of Summer Holiday when every child in the northern hemisphere at least was now OUT OF SCHOOL.
This isn't just about 16 year old girls escorting, it's also about 12 year old boys being exposed to cartoon sex. In a hilarious ridiculous move on the part of Linden Labs, they REINSTATED age verification with credit cards for the TEEN GRID to keep pedophiles out, but they DIDN'T stop the KIDS from getting to the ADULT grid, which is ALOT more likely.
The Credit Card verification MUST be reinstated before the entire teen grid is emptied becasue all the little hormonal teens are moving to the ADULT grid with free unverified accounts to play at ADULT things they shouldn't be exposed to yet.
And yes, LL will be catching major heat for this if they aren't already. It's only a matter of time. I'm just quoting from the FBI website. Not my rules. But I've not seen a single case of a situation like SL in courts yet but who knows? Seems to me like a hell of a lot of knicker twisting going on in these forums.
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-03-2006 10:53
Our children are our Nation's most valuable asset. They represent the bright future of our country and hold our hopes for a better Nation. Our children are also the most vulnerable members of society. Protecting our children against the fear of crime and from becoming victims of crime must be a national priority.
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Macphisto Angelus
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08-03-2006 10:59
From: Aodhan McDunnough On topic: Worth the read It's a good suggestion with a most interesting answer. /139/19/126754/1.html A little encouraging. This still makes no sense: Over time we'll move to an age verification process which will allow you to 'card' people, just as you would in RL (USA). -Robin Linden Seems to me LL needs to be the ones that do this verification. It is thier grid, why would "we" card people? This is a little have your cake and eat it to. They get the numbers and when something does go down they say "but our residents had the ability to card the underage minor" LL take responsibilty and fix this hole in your system. This is easily fixed and you have the ability.
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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-03-2006 11:03
From: Macphisto Angelus A little encouraging. This still makes no sense: [1] Over time we'll move to an age verification process which will allow you to 'card' people, just as you would in RL (USA). -Robin Linden [2] Seems to me LL needs to be the ones that do this verification. It is thier grid, why would "we" card people? This is a little have your cake and eat it to. They get the numbers and when something does go down they say "but our residents had the ability to card the underage minor" [3] LL take responsibilty and fix this hole in your system. This is easily fixed and you have the ability. [3] It's not a hole. See my comment regarding [2] [1] Card would probably mean perform age verification. [2] Why? Because exactly as I suspected, LL is evolving SL into a virtual environment resembling the internet. We're apparently in a transition phase where LL wants to take the social structures and infrastructures to the next level. SL cannot become the next cyberspace platform without being able to handle the same social problems that exist on the current platform.
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Macphisto Angelus
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08-03-2006 11:20
From: Aodhan McDunnough [3] It's not a hole. See my comment regarding [2] [1] Card would probably mean perform age verification. [2] Why? Because exactly as I suspected, LL is evolving SL into a virtual environment resembling the internet. We're apparently in a transition phase where LL wants to take the social structures and infrastructures to the next level. SL cannot become the next cyberspace platform without being able to handle the same social problems that exist on the current platform. Interesting thought. You got me wondering now.
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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-03-2006 11:25
From: Macphisto Angelus Interesting thought. You got me wondering now. As I mentioned on a parallel thread, LL is evolving SL in the direction of ALL ages being on the main grid. I forsee the teen grid either annexing or disappearing. Frightening? For some, it will be.
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Liona Clio
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08-03-2006 11:31
From: Aodhan McDunnough As I mentioned on a parallel thread, LL is evolving SL in the direction of ALL ages being on the main grid. I forsee the teen grid either annexing or disappearing. Frightening? For some, it will be. Gee, does this mean that people might have to be *gasp* responsible in handling their sexual relations? Say it ain't so! 
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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-03-2006 11:36
From: Liona Clio Gee, does this mean that people might have to be *gasp* responsible in handling their sexual relations? Say it ain't so!  It will mean being more responsible about where we do our NC-17 fun. But really, it won't be difficult because we have teleports. It won't mean less fun. Just more care in exercising that fun. I can see Linden Lab adding on the privacy options and tools we've been asking for. It won't come right away but I do see them coming.
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08-03-2006 11:48
Linden Labs is as legally covered as they need to be for this issue. That's why they retain lawyers - to make sure they're covered. Unless anyone here is going to come forward with case citations specific and transferable to the SL situation this is a simple rehash of an old subject. There have been a lot of claims about fed law local law and only one link directly referenced (kudos). Lots of interesting opinion, but little substance.
Anyone want to step forward with a substantive review of criminal or civil cases that directly impact the issue? Linden Labs is covered legally from criminal charges, and thereby have a substantive protection from civil charges as a result.
The ones who should be most concerned are those who are operating mature/adult/sex-oriented areas in SL. And they should be working in concert - like bar owners, XXX theater owners, etc. to ensure they reduce their liability.
PAX!
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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-03-2006 11:50
From: LewisBlack Moore The ones who should be most concerned are those who are operating mature/adult/sex-oriented areas in SL. And they should be working in concert - like bar owners, XXX theater owners, etc. to ensure they reduce their liability.
Bingo!!!
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08-03-2006 11:54
From: LewisBlack Moore The ones who should be most concerned are those who are operating mature/adult/sex-oriented areas in SL. And they should be working in concert - like bar owners, XXX theater owners, etc. to ensure they reduce their liability. Some of them already are.
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Allana Dion
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08-03-2006 11:55
From: Aodhan McDunnough As I mentioned on a parallel thread, LL is evolving SL in the direction of ALL ages being on the main grid. I forsee the teen grid either annexing or disappearing. Frightening? For some, it will be. I think it's obvious thats exactly what they are moving toward. This is the direction we're going in, and allowing people with mature content to make their own decisions about who to admit to their parcel/sim. From: Robin Linden Over time we'll move to an age verification process which will allow you to 'card' people, just as you would in RL You don't see AOL, Netzero, Comcast, etc. being sued because someone puts up child pornography on a website. The people who own that website are the one's the feds go after and the internet providers are simply expected to participate in removing the content and being willing to name names. This is what LL is moving towards, the ability to say "hey all we do is provide the space for a fee, the content is not our responsibility". In fact this is perfectly legal if they do it right. They are doing it by removing their age verification process and saying giving their customers the ability to verify on their own, thereby removing all liability to LL and putting it squarely on the shoulders of the content creators. It's disgusting IMO but pretty dam clever.
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Burnman Bedlam
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08-03-2006 11:57
Actually, AOL and Yahoo have both been sued and investigated for providing the "private" chat rooms which countless predators lured children to, and for not providing enough protection to children. From: Allana Dion You don't see AOL, Netzero, Comcast, etc. being sued because someone puts up child pornography on a website. The people who own that website are the one's the feds go after and the internet providers are simply expected to participate in removing the content and being willing to name names. This is what LL is moving towards, the ability to say "hey all we do is provide the space for a fee, the content is not our responsibility". In fact this is perfectly legal if they do it right. They are doing it by removing their age verification process and saying giving their customers the ability to verify on their own, thereby removing all liability to LL and putting it squarely on the shoulders of the content creators. It's disgusting IMO but pretty dam clever.
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Tre Giles
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08-03-2006 11:59
From: Johnny Mann Do people know that kids under 18 probably have a Cellphone paid for by their parents. Do you also know that they can easily verify themselves with the cellphone to get an SL account on the adult grid? Do you also know that alot of these girls are 16 year olds? Do you also know that there are quite a few escorts and strippers at this age. F-ing Gross! GET RID OF THIS CELLPHONE VERIFICATION BS! OMG, LL's GETTING LAP DANCES, BANGIN' B*TCHES AND HOES, AND THEY ARE ALL UNDER 18, LL YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED, YOU COULD GO TO JAIL YOU KNOW.
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Allana Dion
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08-03-2006 12:01
From: Burnman Bedlam Actually, AOL and Yahoo have both been sued and investigated for providing the "private" chat rooms which countless predators lured children to, and for not providing enough protection to children. Hmmm I did not know that. Did they win or lose? I did however mean in terms of simply being internet providers not chat service providers. I don't use those particular ones so I didn't know what they offered. I was referring to companies that provide access to the internet and have no responsibility for the content on it, I should have come up with better examples. LL is planning to be the company that provides access to the "metaverse" and wants to claim no responsibility for the content.
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Corvus Drake
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08-03-2006 12:01
From: Lillani Lowell I manage an escort service, and I think its safe to say all the women who work for mine are at least adults. I only have a few working for me. I have been told I have insanely high standards, and most who come looking for a "job" run to the other services looking for work saying I have unrealistic expectations. If they're not "old school" style roleplayers nor have had the financial backing to invest in their avatar's image then they don't even meet 1/6th of the minimum standards to work for my service. It's also what makes my service popular among the niche roleplaying crowd. When they hire one of the escorts working for my service they know they are getting an intelligent, educated, well-mannered escort who draws on real roleplaying experience, not that horrid clickable body part crap..... which rules out anyone who could be potentially labelled a kid. Not really. I know of a girl who was 14 and a very, very good escort. Full RP, the works. Naturally, she's no longer part of the community now. Well I think she is, she just won't tell anyone the new av's name....
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Burnman Bedlam
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08-03-2006 12:05
I couldn't say in reference to AOL, but Yahoo did take their web based chat rooms offline for some time during the process, and I haven't used the service or heard anything about it recently, so I couldn't tell you if the private rooms are back or not. I understand they don't want to claim responsibility for the content, but if they are aware of the commission of a crime, or that criminal activity is taking place on their servers, they are required by law to report it to the authorities. From: Allana Dion Hmmm I did not know that. Did they win or lose? I did however mean in terms of simply being internet providers not chat service providers. I don't use those particular ones so I didn't know what they offered. I was referring to companies that provide access to the internet and have no responsibility for the content on it, I should have come up with better examples. LL is planning to be the company that provides access to the "metaverse" and wants to claim no responsibility for the content.
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Vudu Suavage
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08-03-2006 12:14
Oh, this thread isn't about the LL office parties. Carry on then.
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08-03-2006 13:00
What a great summer job!
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