Under 18 yr Kids being Escorts and Strippers for Lindens
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-03-2006 07:10
From: Willow Zander How many kids in RL do you think are still virgins at 18? I know I wasn't!
I'm not saying it's right before you all jump on me and i'm not saying all kids aren't still virgins at 18, but I know during my teenage years I was fully aware of what sex was, how it worked, what happened if it went wrong and I knew what I was doing.
I'm rambling... Let's just close SL all together - PROBLEM SOLVED! i was, wasn't up for sharing it..  |
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Johnny Mann
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08-03-2006 07:11
From: Cindy Claveau Not quite. They require you to click a box certifying you're over 18, and then ask for Credit Card information. That's it. As has been discussed on this board ad nauseum the past 2 months, credit cards don't guarantee age any more than cellphones do.
But at least with SOME method of verification, there was a psychological barrier preventing SOME teens from jumping into the adult grid. Now there's nothing. The doors are wide open, come on in and play with the adults.
It still comes down to you, Johnny -- what do you and your staff do to find and ban underagers? PS... you cant engage in a contract with a MINOR! also . If I find out you are under 18, instant report! simple as that. |
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-03-2006 07:13
From: Canimal Zephyr My friend has a sl escort buisness & don't most escorts just get a notecard to paste from? That's kind of off topic.. I know in the US its criminal to have sex w/ a minor but is it also criminal to chat up a minor in a chat room? Just stuff i'm curious about. Neither which I plan to do  yes it is.. and it even goes as far to say, anything deemed inappropriate.. so technically saying anything "wrong" could get you into trouble.. which they usually don't go that far on getting someone.. even sharing pictures of any suggestive nature is not acceptable.. |
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Willow Zander
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08-03-2006 07:13
From: VolatileWhimsy Bu i was, wasn't up for sharing it.. Well thats very applaudable of you, but my point is... oh nvm, this thread is going to hell in a pimp mobile as it is. 
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Hypatia Callisto
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08-03-2006 07:13
From: Burnman Bedlam
Linden Labs needs to take steps to ensure that minors cannot access the main grid, or mature content must be removed from SL. Those are the only two ways to limit legal liability for LL and for its sexual residents.
There are three. LL can refuse access to mature sims by unverified accounts, allowing them only access to PG areas.
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-03-2006 07:15
From: Burnman Bedlam There are 4 points to consider here... 1) Parents should do their part to protect their kids, and SL should (out of social responsibility) also do their part to protect kids, unless they just don't care, which would be unfortunate. 2) Parents suing LL is a major concern for LL if they facilitate child molestation online. If LL knows criminal activity is occuring on their servers, they have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities, and take measures to prevent it. 3) Criminal charges will be brought against individuals caught by law enforcement engaging in sexual activity with a minor. And, if it turns out that LL knows of such activity and has taken no steps to prevent it, things could get legally ugly for LL. 4) Anyone who "employs" an minor in SL related to mature activities could also find themselves in hot water, depending on the nature and scope of any resulting investigation. Linden Labs needs to take steps to ensure that minors cannot access the main grid, or mature content must be removed from SL. Those are the only two ways to limit legal liability for LL and for its sexual residents. I'm glad I don't choose to solicit sex online, virtually or otherwise. I agree with this completelly.. Would also like to point out that since the Lindens do actively sort through the forums, then they will be considered officially aware... Regardless if they said this particular thread they did not read... It would come into question that they were purposefully turning a blind eye.. /shrug |
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Kris Ritter
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08-03-2006 07:15
really, what we need, is for full rl disclosure inworld. Like, you'd answer a questionnaire when you join, then it'd get summarised down to the basics. Like on your profile and floating above your head you might have: Starr Escort Services
Sexii Lolita
(56y/o 300lb Male Trucker from Wyoming,
Straight but not fussy online) That'd solve the problem. |
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Siobhan Taylor
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08-03-2006 07:17
From: Kris Ritter really, what we need, is for full rl disclosure inworld. Like, you'd answer a questionnaire when you join, then it'd get summarised down to the basics. Like on your profile and floating above your head you might have: Starr Escort Services
Sexii Lolita
(56y/o 300lb Male Trucker from Wyoming,
Straight but not fussy online) That'd solve the problem. Sounds hawt!
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-03-2006 07:17
From: Damien Usitnov I think what everyone fails to see is the big picture of what Second Life is. When you get an escort, when you buy something from someone, when you interact in anyway with anyone in the grid you are not interacting with the person playing behing the avatar you are interacting in character it makes no difference if the person behind the character is black, white, purple, 13, 15, 24, or even 85. People lighten up is it really your problem if underage kids are being escorts? No. sure hope you aren't living anywhere around where the usa is or the eu cybercrimes has jurisdection.. cause with an attitude like that you are fucked... no pun intended.. LOL |
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-03-2006 07:19
From: Willow Zander Well thats very applaudable of you, but my point is... oh nvm, this thread is going to hell in a pimp mobile as it is. with a disco light as the headlights! lol |
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ed44 Gupte
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08-03-2006 07:19
Is Wyoming in the USA? How do I get there?
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Willow Zander
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08-03-2006 07:19
From: Siobhan Taylor Sounds hawt! Sounds Familiar! 
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Siobhan Taylor
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08-03-2006 07:21
From: Willow Zander Sounds Familiar! You met her, er him, er...?
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Damien Usitnov
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08-03-2006 07:24
From: VolatileWhimsy Bu sure hope you aren't living anywhere around where the usa is or the eu cybercrimes has jurisdection.. cause with an attitude like that you are fucked... no pun intended.. LOL I am in the USA what the hell is your point, I'm saying that there is really no way of knowing the age or any RL thing about an escort you are with unless you ask, and who asks that. If you are with an escort in SL chances are you dont feel like having a conversation... P.S. Learn to spell and develop what you are trying to say before you reply. |
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Burnman Bedlam
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08-03-2006 07:27
From: Damien Usitnov I agree with the ambitious attorney part because those money worshippers will do anything for it.
But I don't see how they would have an arguement, what is illegal about a 17 year old or 16 year old roleplaying sex on the internet? I'm not sure if there is a law about that, about RL sex yes very illegal and wrong in my opinion. If there is a law about underage cybersex id like to know that would be interesting. If it's with an adult, that's where the issues arrise. Two kids of the same age is not illegal, though the parents might throw a fit.
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-03-2006 07:29
From: Damien Usitnov I am in the USA what the hell is your point, I'm saying that there is really no way of knowing the age or any RL thing about an escort you are with unless you ask, and who asks that. If you are with an escort in SL chances are you dont feel like having a conversation...
P.S. Learn to spell and develop what you are trying to say before you reply. Well I would figure someone who lived in the US would friggin know... Just because the child does not tell you the age does not make you the responsible party sherlock... saying officer she looked 18, or she said she was 18, doesn't fly.. |
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Hypatia Callisto
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08-03-2006 07:29
From: ed44 Gupte Here we are, going through all the arguments again as we did two months agp. AFAIK the only ppl ever charged or sued are the ones eventually meeting in rl. Wrong. Sites are prosecuted all the time, even entire online services have been sued - Compuserve Germany's Felix Somme was prosecuted for allowing usenet access, simply because a minor could download pornography on it. He won that case, but it was not an easy situation. You do not have to have sex with a minor to be sued for contributing to the delinquency of a minor - simply having pornographic materials accessible to minors without any check at all is enough to get you sued in many areas of the world, and not just in the USA either. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Willow Zander
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08-03-2006 07:31
From: Damien Usitnov If you are with an escort in SL chances are you dont feel like having a conversation... So... no cyber, just sex balls? Wow, that would suck 
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-03-2006 07:33
From: Willow Zander So... no cyber, just sex balls? Wow, that would suck you said balls.. /snort this whole convo is kinda depressing.. sigh |
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Damien Usitnov
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08-03-2006 07:35
From: VolatileWhimsy Bu Well I would figure someone who lived in the US would friggin know...
Just because the child does not tell you the age does not make you the responsible party sherlock...
saying officer she looked 18, or she said she was 18, doesn't fly.. We are not talking about RL, don't you understand that what does a police officer have to do with any of this? |
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Burnman Bedlam
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08-03-2006 07:36
From: Hypatia Callisto There are three. LL can refuse access to mature sims by unverified accounts, allowing them only access to PG areas. Ah yes... I had forgotten about this one. Of course... if account verification isn't combined with an active and perpetual role in rooting out minors from the main grid, it's not as effective as it should be. At least not in my opinion. While I firmly believe that parents need to take an active role in protecting their children from online dangers, parents can't be with their kids 100% of the time, and service providers need to start stepping up to the plate with at least a shred of social responsibility and take steps to prevent access to mature content by children. There is no decent reason for a service provider to give children easy access to mature content, and there is no decent reason for people to get upset about an extra step or two in age verification as part of the process. It's not like LL couldn't identify said people, even with a free account. Nothing online is 100% private. But, I am speaking from the perspective of a parent who takes an active role in protecting my child, but understands I can't be there 100% of the time.
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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08-03-2006 07:37
From: Damien Usitnov We are not talking about RL, don't you understand that what does a police officer have to do with any of this? Ok, I apologize if you did not know how it actually worked.. But honestly it is the responsiblity of the adult to verify age when having a discourse on line.. if you fail to do this, than it would show you did not care, even if you do. If you do ask and they mislead you, than it would show that either y ou couldn't tell the difference, or you didn't care, and regardles... you would be held accountable with messing with a child... And I am talking about online.. Seriously Damien, damned if you do damned if you don't |
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Kris Ritter
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08-03-2006 07:41
From: Damien Usitnov We are not talking about RL, don't you understand that what does a police officer have to do with any of this? You generally figure that out right after your next lolita escort tells you she's from the FBI Cyber Crimes Division |
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Siobhan Taylor
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08-03-2006 07:41
Did you know that according to both Mastercard and Visa, it's illegal to use credit card information for age verification?
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Lillani Lowell
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08-03-2006 07:41
I manage an escort service, and I think its safe to say all the women who work for mine are at least adults. I only have a few working for me. I have been told I have insanely high standards, and most who come looking for a "job" run to the other services looking for work saying I have unrealistic expectations. If they're not "old school" style roleplayers nor have had the financial backing to invest in their avatar's image then they don't even meet 1/6th of the minimum standards to work for my service. It's also what makes my service popular among the niche roleplaying crowd. When they hire one of the escorts working for my service they know they are getting an intelligent, educated, well-mannered escort who draws on real roleplaying experience, not that horrid clickable body part crap..... which rules out anyone who could be potentially labelled a kid.
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