Worst upgrade so far?

lol too true

There are so many cool features of 1.7, but if only we could stay inworld long enough to use them ! In the period between preview and release the Mac client has mysteriously developed memory leaks and cacheing problems . Did someone make a last minute change ? Always a big mistake!

As for scaling, log in when there's only a 1000 or so people online ( European afternoon time is good for this ) and then see the incredible slowdown when the bulk of America wakes up, 3000+ people seems to be some kind of saturation point.

LOL when you set someone in your sights, you just don't let go, do ya? Thank you for making me giggle.

Here's an interesting footnote I discovered last night.

The way the whole game is so jerky, it occured to me maybe my Zone Alarm of Spy Sweeper no longer liked it.

So I disabled both, and the jerkiness went away. Now since Zone Alarm had already approved SL (that is, I made it approve it), I don't know what the problem could be.

I don't like running my computer without Zone Alarm on.

The jerkiness was improved, but the textures problem, and overall slowness, still remained.

coco

Not true, as I have stated before its a labor of love. But when LL reshuffles the deck, with the ominous TOS upgrade stating LL can and will break things at their whim, it, um, makes further improvements pointless as I will have to go back to playing catchup. And I said breaking even would be nice, not a requirement. I had a disposable income for SL, it was not an investment with the expectation of returns. It just became obvious how badly the deck was stacked when I examined the dwell situation and the scripts being broken situation.



Again, I disagree, as it wasn't expenses that were the problem.

Let me give you an analogy. Say Six flags builds a ride, and the ride runs within all the local regulations. All of a sudden a bunch of laws are made and Six Flags is told they have to scrap 3/5s of their rides and start over.

Its not a perfect analogy, as Six Flags is for profit. But tearing all the roller coasters down and starting over will cripple even the most profitable business.

Since they are in the business of profit, they would prolly work within those regulations to rebuild. I was in the business of fun, and I am not having fun now.



We have much more land than we need at this point, and as much as I mention money, it truly isn't the issue because the money was budgeted for and was paid. The fact that I must try to get people to spend money to subsidize my land when I am producing the content that is supposed to keep people in world for LL, and then my content is broken drives home the point that LL is not a charity and I shouldn't feel the need to subsidize them.



Again, the money isn't really the issue, as far as making a profit. We were not even complete yet, and even though we were in find, we hadn't even started events yet, because there was more to do to feel "complete" and I wanted people to enjoy the rides that worked in the meantime



You are ignoring the fact that the rides were broke and hammering in on the money. You yourself have been critical of decisions LL made in regards to dwell that you claim was inspired by the success of your 256 2m of land. LL noticed you were taking out much more than you were bringing in, and changed the rules because of that. They however, allowed you to continue what you were doing by grandfathering your operation. I was not even told my rides would be broken, they just changed the course and I am left to sift through the wreckage.



The expenses were part of my fun. they were budgeted out of pocket and were paid so myself and my friends could have fun. I have no interest in operating a full time business here, as you do Elex. I will not force myself to "work" in what I consider a game, and clock in and out at scheduled intervals.

Maybe I mentioned money too many times in my post, but that was only to illustrate that it wasn't just "shits and giggles" that were influenced by 1.7s new scripting decisions. Things that had worked no longer did. The responsibility was shifted to me to redo what I already did, instead of improving on and growing.



Again, it was not really a business as I did not expect a return besides jollies. And I did improve, a ride I purchased just a couple days before the update is broke. So your assumption that I was not improving is just an assumption. Another ride I was about to buy has been broken by the update.

The reason I mentioned money and dwell is because I pay those, and I pay more for rides. Yes I still have all my land but it has been essentially stripped clean of all content that I have arranged. So what good is my land. An empty parcel wont make any dwell, and an amusement park with rides that don't work becomes a joke. If some glitch stopped people from going into your place, or stopped music or videos from streaming onto your land, or stopped people from chatting while in your place, or eliminated the ability to dance in your place, your name was changed, you were not allowed to advertise, and your group list stripped, would persisting be your first reaction?



I wish I could agree with you, but since you took my anger at money issues rather than "platform" related issues, I do not accept your conclusion.

If the people who made the rides aren't in world any longer, or do not feel like recoding things that were paid for, then what? Chalk the rides up to dead and go search for other scripters of rides?

Spitoonie had that problem (relating to money) and where are they now? They had better ambience than my land, and their rides continued to work (except the monorail, I never got that to work), but they couldnt afford being a charitable place for people to have fun with no way to recoup. Maybe your arguement would work against them but their rides continued to work. That is not the case with me. So all the networking, payment, set up and promoting are all gone , wiped with 1.7. And from the TOS, this is what we can expect to come over and over.

IRL, if you bought an airplane, and then all of a sudden it would only work on water, you wouldn't be happy either, would you?

When you think a company is on the right track, you support it by buying stock. Land in LL is the equivilant of stock. I have lost faith in the last few months of decisions from LL, and hence, I am selling my stock.

My expected return was fun, not money (I have plenty of space to rent out land for vendors, casinos, and tringo, but I don't, a decision that would have been more profitable if that was was my ultimate goal). I'm no longer having fun =(

1.7 is *killing* secondlife.

Both over all traffic and currency volume at lindex is down since 1.7 upgrade

Barely populated simulators are seeing less than 10 sim FPS and huge dilation.

Blaze, only 1 ride works correctly since 1.7

Ian at the town hall gave us fast track options, but seriously, this is bad. if 80% of my rides are broke, where does that leave others

sems the only options are to spend the next 2 months making fixes for broken scripts, or saying "our TOS told u so"

neither seems valuable in the long run =(

well i tested my stuff in preview.. everything still works, it's just so futzing SLOW now.

people are just giving up. cross your fingers and pray 1.7.3 fixes things

i hope so, i invested sever hundred USD in this place cuz i beleived in it. my ride maker tested the rides in preview and they were fine, but when it went live, kaput.

all my work (and my ride makers) have been screwed and none of us are happy.

for a thrill ride u need speed, now its all lag even tho my sim was rock solid 500 fps prior to 1.7. post 1.7, im well below the 45 fps we were promissed, and we added no content to cause this problem since update

its sad

but if the system is indeed held together with duct tape and a prayer, this is what we expect

well, i have chatted with Elex before and invited him to check my place out, but apparently he was never able to make it. I was greatly offended (as were my scripters) that Elexs response was "Im a bad businessman" to the scripts dying in 1.7. So I sent him some IMs to chat with him, which were promptly ignored.

Elex, since you didnt bother to answer my IMs (such is the life of the Donald trump of SL i guess), I will post my IMs here and maybe if you're not too busy, you might answer them on this forum:

"Mulch Ennui: u know, for only having 27 posts, im not sure y u decided to call me a bad businessman when the new update destryed all the rides i built. im not here to make a profit (unllike some...). but when i work for months and pay a shitload of money, and all my work
Mulch Ennui: is fucked, damn straight im not gonna be happy
Mulch Ennui: im not in bizness so your conclusion that i am a bad businessman is insane and not appropriate
Mulch Ennui: only reason i mentioned money was because i am spending alot and getting fucked in the process
Mulch Ennui: and u were invited by me repeatedly to see the rides i had, yet you refused. now you cant even see the work that went into this place because it doesnt work, so yeah, i am offended that you made it ur biznesss when you couldnt be bothered prior to this"

this thread was whether this was the worst update so far, and since my work has been rendered useless, I agreed.

You however, decided to lambast me for being a bad businessman. I mentioned money purely to illustrate how as a paying customer I was treated, and in conjunction with in world conversations with other landholders of how land owners are given the short end of the stick being investers in SL (as opposed to getting by on 256 meters of free tier a month) by paying LLs bills with our investment in tier.

If I made scripted items and sold them on Slexchange or in free vendors, I would be made in the shade. But since I pay for land to house my rides (yeah, do tell how to run the best rollercoaster in SL, 120 prims on a 256 plot of land since you know so much) that I purchase from content creaters, and how according to the TOS, tuff titties if we break your shit.

I host and am kind and helpful to newbies, and oldies alike. I made a fun place that has been rendered useless by 1.7, all I have is my land and the tier I am paying.

I thought you were a cool resonable person Elex, but it seems your glass house doesnt prevent you from throwing stones, or ignoring me when I try to figure out why you decided to attack my "business skills" Sl was a a hobby and a labor of love and was a source of pride, up until my rides broke. Add that up, and I am paying for a car that doesnt drive. Call me a bad, lazy, foolish businessman all you want, but I kept my end of the bargain. The new TOS and 1.7 stacked the deck against me, and if you think I am gonna put faith into another round of upgrades to be borked by 1.8, you are delusional.

As far as I know Elex, the only thing you have done lately to improve your place was sell advertising space. How charitable.

elex, you and i have been on good terms and we used to recomend your place to newbies looking for fun without the sleeze. but your disrespect of ignoring me and assuming i , yes ill say it, PLAYED THIS GAME, to make money hence I suck ass as a businessman are so far offbase that I am deeply offended. I did my part to provide entertainment to the new residents so the platform could grow, and I am repaid by being told "yeah we will take your money but you have to start over" is bullshit.

You prolly don't care, but I responded in the forums, and even tried to discuss it with you personally, only to be blown off by the baron of the 256s. may karma give you what you deserve

I think part of the problem is that you seem to believe (consciously or subconsciously) that making content like your theme park is doing something that Linden "should be" doing, possibly because you regard SL as a game (and the responsibility for making a game fun rests with the creators, right?):



It'd probably work better if you didn't think in terms of your content being "supposed to keep people in world for Linden". Instead, it's a means for *you* to get something out of Second Life. Money, enjoyment, whatever. You need to decide what it is you want, and then decide if it is providing that (overall, not right now when there are problems with the new update). And if not, whether you want to achieve your goals badly enough to soldier on.

If it is truly enjoyable to provide the content, then provide the content. People do things ALL the time that regularly cost money and irregularly make them angry, because on the whole, they enjoy doing those things, and the price is worth it. Things breaking is understandably frustrating (also inevitable), but it's probably a temporary problem. The real question is whether the small frustration now is greater than the enjoyment you would derive if it were working properly.

Once you have that answered, who really cares if Linden benefits from what you do, too? That just makes it more likely that you'll be able to continue getting what you want out of it for a long time.

If everything worked fine in 1.7 preview, and suddenly don't now, why blame Linden? It'd be silly to believe they did it on purpose just to screw everyone over (because that'd obviously include themselves). So it's probably something they didn't, and possibly couldn't anticipate or see in testing. And thus its probably something that they'll fix. If nothing else, if the 1.7 changes are totally flawed and causing serious harm to SL, they'll eventually just roll back to 1.6 until they have something better.


Finally, it seems to me that people were probably focusing on the money because you made a point of mentioning the money in your original comment in a way which suggests that it IS an issue for you, even if you don't recognize it as one. Could be wrong, but that's how it seems to me.

Just my thoughts.

I dont think it is an assumptiuon when LL says they provide the framework, we provide the content. i regard it as a game that i can rpovide content for. but when LL breaks my content, shit, its frustrating



I enjoy making people happy. the only money that comes in from residents on my land is to ride makers directly or one L$5 fortune telling machine to me.

Soldiering on is knoble sounding, but when all the work i put in the last few months is fubared, I have to ask why bother replacing what i already did when i would rather add new content and make my place more fun



The SLCC economy video made a great point that time spent is the largest expenditure, even greater than money. I spent a lot of time getting things right, more so than money. If it is a temproary problem (as hinted by Ian today at the town hall) I can soldier on. But if every upgrade I need to spend time redoing what i did for the exact same result, i find that unacceptable. I would rather improve and add new content to make old visitors want to come back. Happy people make me happier than high paychecks. But every bit of time i spend attending to broken rides put me backwards to improving and expanding. That is beyond frustrating and couter productive.



agreed/no comment



the money issue is brought up because I am paying to provide content in a barren land. then my content is broke and LL absolves themselves of the responsibility of it. So then it occurs to me, I am paying out big bucks, making nothing, and even worse, being set back from what I already did. I am sorry if I made it sound like I was making a for-profit area, but i could rent, put casinos in, put vendors in, among other things if that was my goal (i have plenty of land and prims, but that is not what I want my content to present, much like the reason I dont put sex balls sleaze clubs in). its not. fun is my goal, and i am not having fun anymore and am just spending money to be frustrated

makes me wonder why I am doing it. I hope I made this clear, as I have had a few trick or treat beers and am not as articulate as I should be.

i have taken my land off sale for the time as Ian , at todays town hall, said he would do what he could to restore my broken rides. If that cant be done, i cant have faith that my work will remain from update to update and I will cash out and play CoVs

I'm under no obligation to visit the builds of other players. I'm also under no obligation to respond to Instant Messages from other players. Most of my Second Life is spent within the bar meeting the needs our patrons. When I'm not in the bar I spend my time doing whatever I wish to do.



Your position was that due to a flaw in the version 1.7 your amusement park, which you had made a considerable investment of resources in, made it necessary for you to cease operation immediately, and thus, the upgrade was "the worst ever."

I felt you should've reduced your tier (decreasing your expenses to a more manageable level) and also waited out the current script failures for your rides until there was a proper patch in place _or_ allowed your scripters enough time to fix your ride scripts, thus extending the lifetime of your amusement park.

I disagreed.



After we purchase land and create an enterprise the Lindens are under no obligation to help any of us realize our goals or ambitions, or to help bring our projects to fruition. I suppose if that were actually the case the game would be named "Second Nanny."



I'm under no obligation to accept challenges from other players on the best method to over-tier and run an amusement park into the ground.

Whether you wish to make and sell scripted items is entirely your own affair.



This is known as "regretable altruism." If you find that you frequently regret altruistic acts then don't engage in them.



The last time I checked my "glass house" was still standing. If you've allowed your interest in your Second Life "hobby" to interfere with the day-to-day bills of your Real Life you may wish to prioritize them. What you wish to place your faith in is entirely your own affair.



I run a bar, not a soup kitchen. I'm not under any obligation to meet or exceed any other player's individual standards of charity or good works nor am I under any obligation to list or describe charitable acts.



I'm always grateful for the good word-of-mouth our bar gets from other players. We enjoy their company greatly and are always thrilled when they bring along a friend or direct a new player to us.

When a pop machine eats your 75-cents and fails to provide the refreshing beverage you requested it's not because the pop machine dislikes you on a deeply personal level.

If you don't wish for other players to review, examine, and offer suggestions on how to improve your business model then don't post it in a public forum.



As I stated before, I'm under no obligation to respond to instant messages while in-world.

My concern is that players find it easier to blame the Lindens for problems with their in-world enterprises than it is for them to: Plan, Persist, and be Patient.

If other players do a better job of managing their own enterprises then all of Second Life benefits.

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but did you try to reset/recompile all your scripts in your rides? This has fixed most of the problems of things "not working any more" in my case. I hope it's just that!

True, but if the extent of your life is running a fake bar and critisizing those that cant game the system on 256 meters of land, whatever. You are 100% correct and I wish you well on whatever other gaming of systems you apply your time to.



The thread was based on a poll of whether 1.7 was the worst upgrade ever. I contributed my reasons why it was, and you decided to attack my "business skills" (which not only offended me, but the scripters who know more than me and came to troubleshoot why their perfect rides were now broke. your accusation that I had bad business skills offended them more than me, beleive it or not)

When only one ride out of all the rides I purchased and owned worked in 1.7 and the rest are now crippled in 1.7, yes, I can say this is a "worst case scenerio." I am sorry if since your prim chairs and danceball still work you feel that I am over reacting, but obviously there is a difference between building a corner 6 AM alco bar and an amusement park.

I am sorry you decided that the 1.7 upgrade made me a bad businessman, but i disagree 100% with your conclusion.




1st, I waited the traditional week for the upgrade probs to be worked out before i started to get angry. In fact, I didnt even try my rides for most of the week knowing there would be problems. Fact is, the week is up and all but 2 of my rides are 100% fubar (and both of those even suffer from lag not present prior to 1.7).

And whether or not I can afford the tier is not a factor in this conversation. I wouldnt have purchased the land and accepted the tier if I could not support them, so you are assuming. You know what happens when you assume , brother. I mention money only to illustrate that the ambitious of us (those who aspire more than a degenerate hangout with spammy group IMs) put our necks on the line and the reward is minimal

And as far as the scripters fixing my rides, why does the liability go to them to come fix custom rides for me when LL breaks them? Why does the liability go to me to pay them to come fix the rides when LL changes the platform.

Worst case scenerio, my ride makers were no longer in world or worse yet, have died, is it still my fault that I didn't "allowed your scripters enough time to fix your ride scripts". Get over yourself. If i buy something and it works, what obligation does a scripter have to me to come fix it because LL fucked it?

Are YOU gonna pay for my fixes? There is quite a difference between running 3 prim barstools, a prim bar, and a quicktime movie than creating immersive, deep, complex rides that engage a user in an experince?



Cute. Very cute. If you were any cuter I would bend you over.

Let me quote something for you:

"Robin Linden: SL is a platform to the extent that we provide the framework and toolset for the creation of the world by its residents."

so when then framework and toolset change, thats either my fault or i need to suck at the teets on my Second nanny?



Well I guess I could run a glorified graphical aol chatroom with fake pale ale and shitty 80s music on 256 of land, then I would have something to be proud of.



how about getting what I paid for?

see 1.6, i was happy with the value I was getting for my money (counted in happy faces and return visitors showing thier friends)

now in 1.7, everything that made people happy is frustrating and worthless, yet somehow this is my fault?



True, yet, if your prim barstools, dance machine, and 80s music ended I imagine you would blame yourself too, right?

Seems I remember someone bitching about LL changing thier policy so that 256 meter land couldnt hold events anymore (along with bitching about the degenerates, your word not mine, who frequented said establisment). Luckily that same person was grandfathered. Boy do I wish I was grandfathered and my rides still worked, but we cant all be as lucky as Elbo boy. Trust me, if my rides still worked, this would be an entirely different post, but somehow that elludes you



nor am I under any obligation to tolerate someone gaming the system and telling me im a shitty busniness man. Do tell, MR 256, how you have persisted? have you upped your landholdings to the required 512 to comply with the rules, or are you continuing to game the system to your own benifit? What improvements have you made to comply with a rule that was MADE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF YOU? Have you PERSISTED the way your almighty condescending advice advocates, or are you simply doing the same old same old because what worked for you prior to 1.7 still works (because you are grandfathered)

I hate to bring the pot and the kettle into this, but black is black brother.



Funny, conversations you had with me seems to show a contempt for your clientele. But you do see fit to welcome them to get your developers incentive now don't you?



you are right, and "shit happens" was taught to me long ago



I didnt ask for advice, a review from MR 256, or even suggestions. The question was posed whether this was the worst upgrade ever and I responded.

You figured a "Here I come to save the day" was what was requested, and in between your demeaning responses you decided "256 knows best". I offered my opinion and you trolled it and decided I was a shitty businessman, then told me I needed to have profit motives in mind to find enjoyment. If I mentioned the large amount of tier i Paid for a stable platform and either I conveyed that was my only reason, I am sorry I transmitted that wrong. SL is a game to me, but when the game breaks, I MUST question why I continue to pay for broken shit.



True, but you were quick to break your 26 post limit to troll me on the forums in public, so it makes me wonder why that was preferable to you than dealing with things head on .



Ok, so if a linden breaks ALL my shit, its my fault. Boy you are logical. And I should put faith into the next upgrade wont break everything as this one has. Gee, I'm a dupe and accept that. Give me a break. Please LL, enforce your 512 minimum on events so this critic can deal with the realities that LL doesn't do what they say they are going to do.

Otherwise, it is far too convienent to blame me when the majority of my rides stop working.

Maybe you should start offering "get the most out of the least contribution classes" as that is your business. I will give you that. Pretty smart, but that gives you no right to attack a plan more ambitious than creating a 3-d charoom with shitty music, and never changing a damned thing because, as we all know, you are grampa.



And LL didnt say "Fuck You you 256 gaming, degenerate hosting, as little as I can possibly do while spamming my group 6 times a day winner", I did!

Yes, that was part of our troubleshooting, but my unsatisfactory results I contribute to the dil probs fluctuating between .18-.80 all day, on a sim that ran 1.0 dil and 500+ fps without fail daily.

when my sim stabalizes or the next patch fixes this problem, I will happily attempt this again, as really, I just want my rides to work again =(

I'm a little suprised Mulch is getting som static here.

I think I've made the point several times recently, along with several others, that SL is reaching that point where individual content makers selling single items isn't going to cut it anymore, and new user retention is going to rely not on merchants with products but on exhibitors with attractions - from theme-parks to all-out games.

Mulch is - well, was - providing that with a big place to go have fun with various activities.

LL broke that with the new scheduler. Mulch is understandably frustrated. Mulch is expressing that frustration in a clear and rational way, which I appreciate very much especially after a week of "sl iz teh suxxors!" being posted all over the forums.

This is a dangerous time for LL to be messing with that particular resource, though it is arguably nessesary that they do mess with it. Content providers need a greater slice of server resrouces in order to produce the next generation of attractions to SL.

I belive LL needs to have to priorities right now. The first is one I see they already have, and that's stabilizing 1.7

The second is to get a clear view of 1.8, and make a temporary change to thier internal model. The three new features that 1.8 will get - and I mean, the only three new features - are HTML on a prim, Havock 2, and Mono. The three thigns I belive SL actually needs now to keep evolving into the grand an ever amazing place it should be. Note I'm not really sure how do-able Mono implementations is in that timeframe, but if it is even half as dramatically more efficient than the current script interpreter as I've heared claimed, then it would fix this script problem without needing to take a larger bite out of the rest of the server's resources. If it's not do-able, then instead the focus should be on redistribution of those resources... clearly the present distribution is insufficient.

Now, I understand the internal model LL has is to let the dev team pretty much choose thier projects, keeping interest and enthusiasm high. But we're talking the survival of SL here, I doubt anyone will resist a feature freeze for the sake of some cleanup and organization to gurantee SL will be around a good while longer.

Jillian, you might want to take a look at the transcript from the town hall (/108/46/69223/1.html - I pick a part about this out in my reply). HTML on a prim has been pushed back and mono's nowhere close. So, if Havok 2 makes it, it will be one new feature - although that's been coming since I was a wee lad at school (at least, that's how it feels). Oh and they've slowed development on the new renderer.

Oh, I'm sorry about hearing that. Yes, I'm one very lucky person myself: although all my objects needed recompilation, and the sim was "shaky" for a while (Io), it stabilized to what is considered "normal" these days: no time dilation and an overall reduction of 10%-20% of client-side FPS with the same objects. So, yes, 1.7 "broke my stuff" but it was not sim-related. Io was never a perfect sim, although it got an upgrade a while back (with some improvements).

Actually, I happened to fly around the new continent yesterday. Starting from the telehub and flying in concentric circles around it, I'd say that perhaps 30% of the sims are in the lower range you've mentioned: 0.20 being the "average" there. Strangely enough, sims just bordering those have "normal" values (ie. 0.99). There is no reasonable explanation for that — sometimes you have empty sims with 0.20 dilation, and next to it a club with 20+ avatars and tons of scripted objects, running well above 0.90.

In that case, it seems that your rides stopped working simply because of the uncommon dilation effects in your sim. It's probably not even related to the "need to recompile", it's just something that's wrong on the sim server that is causing that stupid, unlikely effect. And yes, it's certainly a LL-related problem — I wonder how people are questioning that it isn't! As if a resident could suddenly cause that drop in dilation and/or the strange "slow motion" effect — it's not a question of bad scripting or something, as said, I've even seen this happening on empty Sandboxes (just after they were cleared).

Anyway, the good news seem to be the "rolling upgrade" LL is planning to release today. I do hope this will fix the sim you're in right now — giving you back the "normal" values. Hopefully.

I'd also like to say that I agree with Jillian here and Mulch is more than a little understandably frustrated. The new scheduler penalises too much, it's something I'm hearing from lots of people, so I'm not sure it's tenable in the current form. The problem arises that, if this is the way they've enabled more av's to get in a sim and keep performance high, they may need to take away that extra av lift in order to give performance back to the scripts to some degree. However, this could all be moot - if the improvements that they're rolling out today have a big impact on sim performance and client FPS (although I don't see anything in the release notes for 1.7.1(3) about client FPS) then the issues for scripts might be lessened, if the sims are operating better overall. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

Yeah, I did read that. I'm rather imagining it's mostly about resources, save for Mono which is about the scale of the project.
I could be wrong, of course - but as I belive SL is at a nexus here, I stand by my view on what LL's priorities need to be.

"After we purchase land and create an enterprise the Lindens are under no obligation to help any of us realize our goals or ambitions, or to help bring our projects to fruition. I suppose if that were actually the case the game would be named 'Second Nanny.'"

Or provide anything that works at all!

Just as none of us - Mulch included - is under any obligation to keep pouring money into something that doesn't work!

Of course, I don't believe that either feels no obligation to other people.

I just hate and despise this "tough love" business, when a little understanding goes so much farther, and actually gets somewhere, besides at a stand-off. Yet I see so much toughness going on on these boards, and it is SUCH a waste of lifetime, people.

You don't have to be that tough to be a success in the world. In fact, it usually works out the other way.

In this particular case, I'm sure the Lindens will do all they can to fix things as fast as they can, because (a) they will lose us if they don't, but also (b) because they want to, and they want to provide pleasure for us.

I hope Mulch - now that he's had time to absorb this a bit - will continue to provide his projects for us all to enjoy, as best he can, in one fashion or another. Hopefully it won't be all that hard for him once things get fixed.

(And I don't think it is likely they will break again with the next update, Mulch.)

The Lindens want him happy; I want him happy; and we should all want him happy.

coco

hawt.

My theory is that the scripts now suffer more from the presence of inefficient scripts around. Since now they don't get all called at every frame, ineficient scripts' eating of lots of instructions is felt more as it lengthen the time it takes to cycle through all scripts.
So it would mean that coding like a pig is no longer viable ; and worse, ruins performance for everyone.

I am under no obligation to respond to personal attacks against myself, my bar, or my patrons.

I continue to disagree that version 1.7 killed your fake amusement park. It simply delayed its continuing operation and you were unwilling to be patient. My post mortem was intended to help other players from making the same mistake during an upgrade or rules change and to encourage them to plan, persist, and be patient. Also, that your expectation of breaking even by means of Dwell monies based on the size of your tier was unrealistic.

Players and Linden staff are not obligated to love you more, or less, based on your consumption of resources. Nor is anyone under any obligation to provide sympathy or refunds when things go awry with your enterprise.

When presented with the new Terms of Service you could have declined to accept them. If you wish to no longer be bound by the Terms of Service you may cancel your account. Though it is always fun and interesting to parse what a Linden might say at a Town Hall or other type of forum their statements are not binding, do not extend beyond the Terms of Service, and cannot be construed as an obligation to perform a present or future service, solution, or resolution to an existing problem.

Yup, and he's free to hold opinions on how 1.7 is killing his amusement park.

Anyways, 1.7 is overwhelmingly destroying a lot of longterm content hosters in SL. This is an unmitigated disaster.