Stopping Developers Incentive?

SL is not RL. Just because you are battling to get disability in RL doesn't mean you should get money for being..disabled?...in SL. (How is that even possible) It sounds like your personal issues are affecting your views of SL. Being too disabled to work in RL and therefore not being able to buy food unless you have government assistance does not equate not knowing how to make money in SL and therefore being unable to buy new outfits for your AV since you cannot/will not buy off Lindex.

Furthmore, if you (general you) are truly too financially strapped to buy some $L off the exchange, how are you managing to afford your computer capable of running SL and your internet connection? Anyone who manages to actually PLAY SL has enough discretionary income to afford the above USUALLY (excepting those at college or living with parents, etc). Don't bitch about how you are too poor to buy $2US of $L when you afford a $50-100 a month internet connection AND a decent PC.

yeh! what he sed!

(heh heh.. "change is good"

I haven't seen many single skins over L$1000, most are L$500 and less. The majority of the L$1000 and up packages have at least half a dozen skins in them.
You sound like my daughter. I'm more interested in having the stuff nobody else has, and you can't buy that for ready money.

No, the fact that these places contain the kind of build the DI was intended to promote, and are about to lose the chunk of their rent that was paid by DI, is about money chairs, money balls, and dance contests.

good skins cost over 2000l well the 1500 are not bad. but depending on your likes your might landup with 5000l like the older players way. Yes nora 1500 skins and they are nice and they have mutli-skins in the package. But skins like chip midnight are singles but with a life time support plan.

No. The only way to have quality things that nobody else has is to design them yourself, and then if you want them to be of comparable quality, you have to have already been good at art before you started and then spend a year or so practicing. And unfortunately, since you're out of step with the rest of the grid, you probably won't get much feedback or anything for most of that year...

.. well, that or just pay for a custom job and/or just take what you can get with regard to AV.

this makes total sense.. ll has got to be viable cos it's a real-life biz.. sl emulates rl.. IS rl in SOME ways.. so it must be viable too.. the fun is working it out as we go along.. who ever would have predicted 194,000 residents at this point in time?!

I'm starting out by just having regular things that nobody else has. They're more than enough fun. I don't expect the quality bit to come quickly, but then I've been programming since 1972 so I've got a pretty good idea of how long it takes to get good at anything.

Expecting to start out with top of the line anything is sheer boneheaded stupidity, or laziness. Or both.

there are already ways for people to earn money in world. if your like me you will work hard make the best product you can advertise it and sell it.

quite honestly i have done fairly well in second life and have worked my ass of to get what i have.
although if your just looking to make a few extra bucks to play around with its so easy to make something that my 7 year old could make enough content (if he were allowed to play) to earn a few thousand lindens a week.

You might consider that most of the SL population is more like your daughter and less like you. Its a human dynamic. People what cool stuff and they want to fit in and socialize on a level, they can't or won't in real life. sure people will claim that they play SL to be different, and that is true..different from who they are IRL. Look at how many goth shops there are, and how many vendors sell teh same style of hoochi wear from clubs. This is not all becaus ethey are downloading the same texutres from turbosquid.

People in SL conform. For some it may be becuse IRL they do not conform and being in SL is different. For some people its because they wear a mask in real life, and have the opportunity to do so in Sl. For others its that they aren't fashion-model sexy in real life and here they can be. Or maybe its that IRL they work really hard to support families and can afford few luxuries, but damn in SL you can shop till you drop for fifty bucks, and live a bit like J-lo. In SL you can get inot cool clubs that would reject you at the door IRL.

What disturbs me about the attitiued that clubs and bling and hoochi hair are second rate content, and the real stuff will be lost, is that it contain an evaluation that what people want to do with SL is wrong. Peopl all seem to want sl to be made in thier image, and on the forums, that has long been by pooh-poohing the so called lowbrow activites.
I forone say that if people want to hang out in clubs, and sit in a money chair and talke to thier freinds, and have a complete wardrobe supplied by jonquille, then they should do so, and hey. More power too them. SL is not the provenance of people who want to play in the sand box, or wear mecha suits, or shoot each other with guns. We are all residents here. Some of the resident like to conform.

And really, I have yet to see a reasonable sking for less than 1100. And Some skins do have multipe make-ups, but the same skin color with half a dozem make-ups is really one skin. And top of the line skins don't have that. My own was 6k all told and I love it. Its nice to have something and say wow, I have the best. This is a perfectly valid way of playing SL.

Oh man - thats playing with fire

Actually Jonquille's clothes are the 'anti-hootchie' and are deliberately affordable..

I should know - I watch her make them, and see the 'boarderline hootchie' discards.

But thanks Jake for making my RL hell when I get home from work.

Great post, Jake. The thing I find most ironic about the issue of clubs being considered second rate content is that the people who seem to most base their actions on that assumption are the club owners and entertainers themselves. I think they're selling themselves incredibly short, and money chairs are just the most crystalline example of it. A club with loyal regulars, a nice atmosphere, good music, and good friendly people is worth paying to be a part of, even for just one night. So why is any suggestion that they should charge for their efforts met with such a quick "no one would ever pay us."? I simply don't believe that's true. The problem is that anyone who wants to charge what they're actually worth is hampered by the thousand other places paying people to park their avatars there. The culture shift has to start with the clubs themselves. They can't sit back and wait for their patrons to volunteer to start paying. They just have to be prepared for the fact that the trailblazers will have to make a long term investment because it'll take a while for the perceived norms to change. But it has to start somewhere.

The Cannibus Cathedral was one of my favorite places in SL - it was also one of the laggiest when they decided to have a get together.

But people didn't go there to get paid - they went because it was fun night with a great crowd.. it was like going to the pub on a friday with your buddies.

A good place doesn't need chairs that pay to get folks there - on a good night at the CC you couldn't enter the sim - SL wouldn't let you - AV's would wait on the sim boarder until someone tported and the sim would let them in.

Likewise there are good events that flourish post 'event payments' -- the 'Captions' contest is a good example - from what I've been told it does a lot better now than it ever did under the subsidy system.

Good popular content will remain.

I don't see any problem with people doing this stuff. The primary question is, "Why should Linden Labs subsidise money give aways, like camping chairs?"

They shouldn't. There's no good reason for it.

A good place doesn't need chairs.

But having chairs doesn't mean it's not a good place.

coco

Evening again all.

Argent, regarding rent - this model does work in the island support business for shared groups, look through the InnerLife external forums in my sig. They never got that far yet, for now IL is sharing land from my 1/4 sim rental while the core technologies get hammered out.

Persephone, in your case, why not consider having any Premium regulars not using their 512 to donate to group that the land is on? Yes there are some risks with that, but managed carefully it should work OK.

In regards to an island like Numbakulla, myself and the others in the supporting group have been able to keep it up and running for an additional six months now. This is all because of its uniqueness and peacefulness and the want by varying residents to help keep it alive. Plus, I admit to dropping by whenever possible and being a good host and puzzle helper . Dwell does not help such a big place much, maybe has raised about L$2000 in the months I've held it. I just wish that whatever came to a head in the client during 1.7 release would get fixed, I'm still a semi-casualty of it.

Tier being a core issue? I dunno. There are other threads in Land/Economy that has gone over that, I'd suggest perusing them. Not a mainland customer anymore, so can't give you a qualified answer.

Damn I miss those days. Having our land in the same sim really sucked though. I remember Darko and us would coordinate party nights to keep from crashing the sim.

Saw this as potentially necessary months ago. When the camping chairs started becoming an issue, I knew its fate was sealed.

A good place also doesn't need to artificially boost its dwell rating, and thus its popularity, with a lame thing like money chairs.

That's silly.

It's not like "can't afford it at all" or "have surplus money coming out of your ears" are the only two options; there is an entire spectrum covering all possible variations between those points, and more people than you realize are likely to be at the balance point, because it covers both those who literally don't have more money, and those that don't want to spend all of their money on one thing (net activities).

At $50-100 per month for an internet connection, I'd not be surprised at anyone that says they don't have enough money for much else.

And it's possible to own the computer already ... not everyone is presently financing a new machine or upgrades their machine religiously ... and yes, these people DO use SL.

the funny thing about the dwell discussion is that the most vocal opponents of dwell, know absolutely nothing about creating compelling gathering places.

it's so funny to see pixel pushing geeks like me tell the socialites what is "good events" and what is "cheap crap".

with all the options out there, some people still WANT to sit in camping chairs. (camping chairs are unsustainable event model so no worries). people WANT to hang out at clubs and hoochie clothing. they WANT bingo/slingo/tringo/blingo. people DON'T want to sit around some abandoned build all the time even if it is beautiful. they DON"T WANT to pay for the events they go to.

if you want to see higher quality stuff in SL, it won't come from making end players support it with their L$ from the Lindex at least not until LL is exlpoiting the L$ Mint. it will only come from a large enough population to sustain better developers. and it will require the outsourcing of the platform to give creators more control.

until then, LL must support popular places with the USD money they are skimming off the economy.

who cares? they are mathematically a failed business model. they are not a threat.

That's silly. Why should a location owner limit herself? If a good location can get solid dwell without camping chairs, and top-level dwell with them, why not go for it? It keeps free basic account holders happy, which will help keep her location in the forefront of their minds when it comes time to do something other than camp.

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Boo...and I was going to script auto-PTP-teleporting camping chairs!
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Yes, cuz anything that give's free money too "worthless" basic account holder's/noob's is just lame. I mean, how dare those people give money to us in return for giving them dwell so us worthless people can buy your worthless junk.