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Hard Alley is Sick sick sick!

Toni Bentham
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08-24-2006 11:53
From: Corvus Drake
THe *Majority* of such relationships in Gor are abusive. There's your difference. I'm not at all undereducated on what I'm talking about here. In about 13 years of exposure to Gor, I've only encountered 2 relationships, in close proximity, that weren't abusive and that I didn't end up being the beginning of an end to.


That you've had many years of exposure, and seen many Gor relationships, does not mean you have an accurate scientific sample on which to base sweeping generalizations. All you can say is "The majority of Gorean relationships I've been exposed to are abusive", not "The majority of Gorean relationships are abusive." There is a huge difference there. Your experience, no matter how lengthy, is not necessarily representative.
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Jonas Pierterson
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08-24-2006 12:04
From: Corvus Drake
Gor in SL in particular has a lot wrong with it. Only after multiple AR's and calling the police IRL did one Master stop harassing a "slave" that decided to leave Gor but was afraid of him. It's not uncommon for Gorean Masters to order their slaves to divulge RL information on threat of being punished or banished from the community and blacklisted in various ways.


Its not uncommon for a predator who is abusing a rp system, for a 'true' Gorean, it is mighty rare.
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Kristy Cordeaux
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08-24-2006 12:08
Oh lol, take a valium and relax.

It's just fantasy fulfilment, I've been there and lol was surprised by how polite everyone was.
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Stephanie Draper
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08-24-2006 12:11
I've personally never met a Gorean (that I knew was one anyway) who didn't act like retarded moron. That said, do I believe all Goreans are retarded morons? Of course not, that would be as silly as me believing all african-americans are bling-obsessed, ebonics-spouting rap-fans just because the majority of those I've been exposed to have been. Taking any small sampling and assuming that they're representative of their entire group is how prejudice and intolerance get started in the first place. I fall into a lot of categories, and in some of those categories I'm fairly stereotypical, while in others I'm so far off 'baseline' that most others in that group would fail to recognize me as being in said category at all. Doesn't change the fact that I identify with those categories and think of myself that way.

Or to put it another way: Can't we ALL just get along?
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Cindy Claveau
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08-24-2006 12:16
From: Aleksie Solvang
yeah I'd never heard of the place either - though I don't particularly have a huge beef with Gor ^^

Last night I was searching for the store where I bought a pair of boots a year ago (anyone know what happened to Darkholmes?) and accidentally stumbled on a link to this place - first time I'd heard of it. But I don't know that it will change my SL any :)
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Ewan Took
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08-24-2006 12:24
I bet hard alley had a huge a increase in visitors today! You bad Vivianne :)
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08-24-2006 12:41
From: Cindy Claveau
Last night I was searching for the store where I bought a pair of boots a year ago (anyone know what happened to Darkholmes?) and accidentally stumbled on a link to this place - first time I'd heard of it. But I don't know that it will change my SL any :)


They closed up shop 3 months or so ago to focus on RL stuff.
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Vivianne Draper
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08-24-2006 12:41
lol you know there are other sims that do the same.

try putting the word 'force' into the search function. its surprising what you find!

or maybe not.
Sensual Casanova
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08-24-2006 12:48
From: Vivianne Draper
How come people get all bent out of shape over gor, age players, bdsm and the like but no one mentions places like Hard Alley? I mean they roleplay forced alleyway gang rape scenes and the like. How come all you self-righteous folks SO concerned over the poor women in gor and bdsm clubs and the poor adults pretending to be kids aren't all upset about places like Hard Alley?

I have never complained of any of things and Hard Valley.. well never heard of it and I am sure there are many that never have.... until now... Hope you like that kind of stuff cus you just promoted them... wooohoo!
Khashai Steinbeck
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08-24-2006 12:49
From: Vivianne Draper
How come people get all bent out of shape over gor, age players, bdsm and the like but no one mentions places like Hard Alley? I mean they roleplay forced alleyway gang rape scenes and the like. How come all you self-righteous folks SO concerned over the poor women in gor and bdsm clubs and the poor adults pretending to be kids aren't all upset about places like Hard Alley?



Wait... if they are roleplaying, how is it forced?
Vivianne Draper
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08-24-2006 12:52
eh don't really care about promoting them one way or ta other. Was makin a point is all. You realize I don't think Hard Alley is actually sick -- right? Amusing at worst.



From: Sensual Casanova
I have never complained of any of things and Hard Valley.. well never heard of it and I am sure there are many that never have.... until now... Hope you like that kind of stuff cus you just promoted them... wooohoo!
Vivianne Draper
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08-24-2006 12:52
Bingo! You got it in one!



From: Khashai Steinbeck
Wait... if they are roleplaying, how is it forced?
Joy Honey
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08-24-2006 12:53
From: Khashai Steinbeck
Wait... if they are roleplaying, how is it forced?


it's all roleplaying - the difference is some people get more upset about certain kinds of RP.
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Sensual Casanova
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08-24-2006 12:53
From: Leyla Firefly
Is the Capital thing in the middle of sentences something new?

Enlight me, i just learned to type english in numbers now i need to review it again? :D

Then your next lesson...
the word "I" should be capitalized....
Vivianne Draper
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08-24-2006 12:56
No! No! Its sick I tell you! Sick! Those poor raped people are being taken advantage of. Why I met a woman once who thought she couldn't leave Hard Alley cause bad things would happen. Its all those rapists there brainwashing her. She wouldn't be there except for that. Really! Sickos.. oughtta be stopped.

From: Joy Honey
it's all roleplaying - the difference is some people get more upset about certain kinds of RP.
Joy Honey
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08-24-2006 12:58
From: Vivianne Draper
No! No! Its sick I tell you! Sick! Those poor raped people are being taken advantage of. Why I met a woman once who thought she couldn't leave Hard Alley cause bad things would happen. Its all those rapists there brainwashing her. She wouldn't be there except for that. Really! Sickos.. oughtta be stopped.


Let's protest!
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Vivianne Draper
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08-24-2006 13:00
lol now that woudl be funny.

but i think we would be ar'd and banned <G>
Lorelei Patel
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08-24-2006 13:04
From: Joy Honey
Let's protest!


I can roleplay my outrage!
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Dawne Drebin
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08-24-2006 13:04
Thank you Selador for revealing that Vivianne is not the only person here capable of such brilliant and insightful commentary equivalent to little children calling each other names in a playground. It's always valuable to a society when mattters of importance are reduced to name calling.

What's even more sad, Selador, is 1) You left out the "self-righteous" part of the name calling, and; 2) insults coming from adults acting like badly behaving children are given no weight to all the people that matter; that is, mature, intelligent people.

There may very well be good reasons why certain behaviors are discouraged or censored by people. There are always questions about where we draw lines between freedom and responsibility...and what sorts of bad/questionable behaviors we are going to or should tolerate in the name of freedom.

Just because people disagree with you (Vivanne, Selador), does not mean they are nutjobs. Really, are you 12? My children know better than to behave as you have.

HAHA, now I have to laugh at myself for revisiting this waste of a time thread and not only that, reposting! Oh well. Maybe my posts will help someone realize that name calling is not a valid method of argument. I know, wishful thinking...oh well.

Have a nice day with your name calling!
Lorelei Patel
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08-24-2006 13:07
From: Dawne Drebin
Have a nice day with your name calling!


Will do, nutjob! :D


(I kid because I love. No, really.)
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Joy Honey
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08-24-2006 13:10
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Lorelei Patel
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08-24-2006 13:27
Why Joy, is your rabble aroused?
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Corvus Drake
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08-24-2006 13:33
From: Joy Honey
it's all roleplaying - the difference is some people get more upset about certain kinds of RP.



It's also important to remember that it's for different reasons, sometimes, than simply being offended.

I abhor Gor because of the environment it provides certain predatory types, moreso than other RP subcultures here. I REALLY abhor Gor here because it's about 300 times more abused here than any other place I've seen it.
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08-24-2006 13:45
From: Dawne Drebin
Thank you Selador for revealing that Vivianne is not the only person here capable of such brilliant and insightful commentary equivalent to little children calling each other names in a playground. It's always valuable to a society when mattters of importance are reduced to name calling.


Ignoring the rest of your post as it's more or less a contradiction within itself, much like most of the posts made near the beginning of this thread by your person - which is made terribly apparent by even the first paragraph above.

You state that the thread has been reduced to name-calling when your opening arguement immediately refers to two individuals as children arguing on a playground. Wtf? Upon further reflection, up until you hopped in on the subject, all opinions that were expressed from those that you 'attacked', (word used that the one giving the retorts reviewed it as, whether or not intentional), were of a neutral manner, not targeting any individual in specific.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, because, quite simply, they are opinions. No one is entitled to state an opinion as if it were a fact, because, in fact, it is not a fact.

But to state an opinion as if it were a fact, and then go against that fact by blindly doing exactly what the opinion-generated, falsified fact claims is wrong?

I would label any individual that trys to push an arguement in this way, whether valid or not, as a 'nutjob'. :3
Xander Au
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08-24-2006 13:50
this whole thread is funny.....these guy attack those guys... those guys attack these guys....blah blah. Build a bridge and GET OVER IT. *Grins*
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