Forums Classifieds Post-Only

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If you have any ideas on what would work, can I suggest you post them here? Early days for the thread yet, but ya never know, something might come out of it

Comments in Classifieds: Can we be serious for a moment?

There are numerous collective thoughts on it spread all over the forums today. It'd be nice if any realistic suggestions go in the same place we can point the Lindens to?

Just a thought

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Sorry Willow.

I was a bit harsh with the language I guess. I actually like most of your posts (excluding any you may have made like I was talking about), and I wasn't trying to target you.

It's just my opinion that over the top positivity helps no one in the long run. People need to learn, and if all the responses are positive that can't happen IMO.

I am also not against skin in any way shape or form, in fact I think the forum ban on nudity in the ads is even more insidious and should itself be repealed. You can show more skin in the street in RL than you are allowed to in the forums, which is stupid beyond compare to me. "Hooker ware" however was a cheap shot, and I am sorry for that.

I agree that new designers deserve a reply as much as Neph or anyone does, but that is why I like the new system because it is totaly fair. No one gets a reply.

I think the inworld classifieds suck also and I think the whole system is kind of broken right now. I dont have any solutions myself but I am still terribly happy to see the replies to posts going away though.

There really is a problem where major and known figures get tons of replies on their threads, where as little known creators get little response even if their item is good.

But this problem should not be solved by killing the entire Posting reply ability completely. There are other, better ways to solve this.

Ok. If it bothers you so much - don't read it. look at the subject line, look at the picture, ignore the replies. Live life as a healthy happy human being.

But who's to say just cos you think that it's mindless chatter it should be removed?
& so what if it is mindless chatter? If it's not a discussion about Iraq or 1.7 or WHATEVER then it's not worth posting? I like my mindless shopping chatter. & just cos I like to talk shopping doesn't make me a bloody idiot who's comments aren't worth reading. It just means I like some fluff with my morning news.

The product forums aren't just to see whats new its to encourage creators & just have fun with the whole shopping thing. A lot of us enjoy it & if you don't enjoy it nobody asked for your permission. Feel free to not participate.

Facts is its a very populer forum, a lot of us like to tell creators how cute their item is, & us creators love hearing it. It makes you feel good & makes you want to make more. When your inworld you dont usualy stop & IM the creator just to go "ooh cute item" & when your in the forums your in the mood to do it & it makes a few people happy.

For once there's a forum that isn't about arguing & trolling & being asshats to one another quoting the TOS & famous dead people. So what?! so we like it! Get off your high hourse & let people post!

Yay, finally. Thrilled to see the new products area post only. I'm glad that now people who wish to know more about my things will have to contact me in world. Thanks for reinfocing that sense of community, LL.

Now my products will either stand or fail on their own merits. You see it? You like it? You come get it. Simple. Now the work of all of us won't get buried under two day old bumped threads of others.


BOUT DAMN TIME THANKS!

Or they just won't bother seeking out new stuff any more and will go to what they know, thus destroying chances for anyone new to find new custom.

Cuz speaking for myself, if I can't find out the answers to my questions by simply asking them in the forums, I'm not going to think 'yay thats what I want I'll go buy it', I'll just forget it as a 'nearly but not really'. Your chances of my ever buying anything from you just dropped to near zero because of this change you applaud. But that's maybe just me, and you obviously don't care for customers like me, so that works itself out, I guess!

And whilst you may not require or benefit from feedback, many content creators have expressed that this is very valuable to them.

But there's lots of ways to look at the same situation, innit?

The solution would have been to make it "un-bumpable" is all. Period.

I don't have a lot of time in world. I would loved to continue answering questions people have about my stuff in the forums.

Consumers till still want to SEE new products. Most people who look in the forums to buy don't comment. They simply run to the store.

If people have questions about the items, they can still contact you in world. That's a good thing too. It fosters sense of community and as well gives creators a chance to interact with their customers. Again, good thing.

And Lo, you never were a customer of mine, you never bought anything from me to start with, though thanks for making this personal. It's not. It simply levels the playing field, and that's what you all are hating. Now your work has to stand on it's own merits. Though I wonder why YOU would be upset. You're GOOD.

Consumers will still want to SEE new products. Most people who look in the forums to buy don't comment. They simply run to the store.

If people have questions about the items, they can still contact you in world. That's a good thing too. It fosters sense of community and as well gives creators a chance to interact with their customers. Again, good thing.

And you never were a customer of mine, you never bought anything from me to start with, though thanks for making this personal. It's not. It simply levels the playing field, and that's what you all are hating. Now your work has to stand on it's own merits. Though I wonder why YOU would be upset.

Making your New Product posts count is also an option. Listing the perms, the location, the price, the colors and options...etc. If your post is clear enough and informative enough, you won't have to answer questions all day.

The hyperbole being thrown at this is silly. It won't be the end of shopping as we know it, omgwtf!!??!1 It sucks that people won't be able to ask legitimate questions where others can view the answers, but that's really the only downside that I can see. A few people will have to tell their buddies how gorgeous their creations are in-world or in message instead of in the forums, but they're probably standing right next to them anyway, or see them on a daily basis and saw the items before they were ever posted, so I'm sure they'll get by.

Multiple offline IM's blasting at you the minute you log in.

Like I said, speaking for myself - no. I won't contact you inworld about it because it'll have faded into obscurity in my memory because I couldn't have pegged it as a "must have" having had all my questions answered in advance. So I won't remember to visit your store. So I'll carry on buying from those I know. Not making anything personal, just telling you what effect this change means to me.

And personally, I sure as shit don't want people blasting me with IM's about products every 5 seconds when I could take feedback and improve my ad to answer common questions.

Established designers experience that already. And they are HAPPY to make contact with people unfamiliar with their work.

I personally am never upset when someone wants to know about my work. Why would I be?

That's fine, Kris. If you make your post clear enough people won't blast you. Personally I welcome the chance to interact with people curious about my work in-world. which is where the clothing I design 'exists' to start with.

omg i so feel yoru pain

Because, as I have said, I have limited time in world. It doesn't "upset" me to talk to people in the least. I am ALWAYS appreciative of people who take an interest in things I make. But it was a huge convenience to be able to respond to questions here instead of in world.

Make it not bumpable, and everyone will be happy.

wonderful post Lo! keep it coming! i can't wait to read more! you go girl!

My nomination for Best Post of 2005

Way to go Canimal!

I agree completely. For someone with very mono-task oriented time in SL, a slough of questions from customers may not be an issue and may provide a welcome sense of community. I, however, work outside of sl, manage an entertainment venue, volunteer on a committee, event host, AND make and sell a wide variety of items in several locales. I manage a staff in SL of approximately 10 working people who have questions when i get online. additionally, I answer 4-20 customer questions a day (20 on weekend days). I don't have time sometimes, when i arrive 10 minutes before an event and after a rl night class to answer a lot of questions and worry that customers may be angry or experience cognitive dissonance if I fail to get back to them. Often when I run events, it means that I must get to the IMS at hand. Doing this, doing the FFRC, teaching classes, all of these activities are incompatible with excessive customer service needs that may result from people not being able to answer simple questions due to errors of ommission in an original post.

I suppose this will mean that posts will need to be exhaustive, but that won't do much good if they are bumped to the bottom of next week four minutes after one has completed the tenth paragraph of the post. I expect this to favour full time professional content makers and to hurt those who could benefit most from the R & D that is provided when people can actually give one feedback in a general fashion such as the forums provided (those who could benefit most being less seasoned makers such as me).